| Wind farms - good or bad ? 08:52 - May 11 with 1887 views | HARRY10 |
Well, here's the thoughts of one chap in 2013.
"“Labour put in a load of wind farms that failed to pull the skin off a rice pudding,” he said. “We now have the opportunity to get shale gas — let’s look at it. It is part of the 2020 vision we have for this city — power generation is vital.”
He dismissed efforts to replace closing coal stations with wind power, arguing shale gas offers the best opportunity for a secure supply. The London Mayor (for it is he) cast doubt on the effectiveness of wind farms as he argued Britain should be doing more to exploit the potential of shale gas.
He even suggested that people might be able to conduct controversial exploration for shale gas in London, after geologists revealed Britain has vast reserves of the fossil fuel underground. Although shale gas drilling caused a mini-earthquake near Blackpool with fears that it could contaminate drinking water if not done properly, this cretin said it was right to look at the dangers but “it may be some people will benefit mightily from living near these reserves”.*
The relevance here is that today's Queens speech will announce plans for which both this idiot and thousands of fellow bigots have been ranting against for years.
* only an absolute fckwit would spout such shyte, given what was aleady known years before
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13053040
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:54 - May 11 with 1129 views | Guthrum |
Better the light dawns late than never. |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:57 - May 11 with 1110 views | Steve_M |
Given that Johnson will say anything to please an audience and then contradict himself within the space of minutes then I'm not really sure that inconsistency over the space of eight years is that big a deal.
There are better and more important things to criticise him on that apparently changing his mind here. |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:58 - May 11 with 1102 views | Keno |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:54 - May 11 by Guthrum |
Better the light dawns late than never. |
a vegan friend of mine has suggested they fit wind turbines to his arse and generate energy from the wind it produces |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:58 - May 11 with 1102 views | EdwardStone |
I genuinely feel that our our current PM is not very clever
Countless poor decisions, numerous wrong calls
He has, though, been very lucky....there is no denying that
Someday soon his luck will run out |  | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:01 - May 11 with 1085 views | Kropotkin123 |
A lot of the yield estimates from fracking turned out the be way off. I remember watching a Bloomberg piece on it about half a year ago. Seemed like a fair amount of investors got taken for a ride on that one.
As for wind, depends on the area. It should be apart of things going forward, amongst others.
Nuclear is the cleanest environmental option, particularly if we switched to a less dangerous material. |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:10 - May 11 with 1038 views | Guthrum |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:58 - May 11 by Keno |
a vegan friend of mine has suggested they fit wind turbines to his arse and generate energy from the wind it produces |
Could harvest the methane! | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:13 - May 11 with 1033 views | Guthrum |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:01 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
A lot of the yield estimates from fracking turned out the be way off. I remember watching a Bloomberg piece on it about half a year ago. Seemed like a fair amount of investors got taken for a ride on that one.
As for wind, depends on the area. It should be apart of things going forward, amongst others.
Nuclear is the cleanest environmental option, particularly if we switched to a less dangerous material. |
Fracking is only viable when oil prices are high enough. OPEC increased production to drive the frackers out of business and now there's been a global slump in demand.
It also depends very much on the grade of the stuff they're getting out of the ground how useful it is. [Post edited 11 May 2021 9:14]
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:13 - May 11 with 1030 views | Keno |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:10 - May 11 by Guthrum |
Could harvest the methane! |
wed have tonnes and tonnes of it!! | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:36 - May 11 with 981 views | EdwardStone |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:01 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
A lot of the yield estimates from fracking turned out the be way off. I remember watching a Bloomberg piece on it about half a year ago. Seemed like a fair amount of investors got taken for a ride on that one.
As for wind, depends on the area. It should be apart of things going forward, amongst others.
Nuclear is the cleanest environmental option, particularly if we switched to a less dangerous material. |
I disagree with you Mr K....nuclear has been an expensive fantasy
Forget the "Too cheap to meter" schtick
"Too expensive to contemplate" is much closer to reality
If the countless squillions that have been gifted to the nuclear industry had been invested in renewables and energy conservation, we would be world leaders in these fields
Instead we are saddled with the crazy economics of Hinckley C and the continuing fantasy of another reactor at Sizewell
I'm not sure how you square the long term issues of nuclear waste with your assertion that nuclear is the cleanest environmental option. | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:44 - May 11 with 964 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:36 - May 11 by EdwardStone |
I disagree with you Mr K....nuclear has been an expensive fantasy
Forget the "Too cheap to meter" schtick
"Too expensive to contemplate" is much closer to reality
If the countless squillions that have been gifted to the nuclear industry had been invested in renewables and energy conservation, we would be world leaders in these fields
Instead we are saddled with the crazy economics of Hinckley C and the continuing fantasy of another reactor at Sizewell
I'm not sure how you square the long term issues of nuclear waste with your assertion that nuclear is the cleanest environmental option. |
Because there are other materials out there that don't have those long-term waste issues. Added to that that wind and solar are not as clean as people perceive due to the mining costs to the environment.
EDIT: There is also the vast space that converting fully to "renewables" would take. And the resulting environmental impact that would have. [Post edited 11 May 2021 9:48]
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:45 - May 11 with 955 views | HARRY10 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:57 - May 11 by Steve_M |
Given that Johnson will say anything to please an audience and then contradict himself within the space of minutes then I'm not really sure that inconsistency over the space of eight years is that big a deal.
There are better and more important things to criticise him on that apparently changing his mind here. |
or in reality this will be one of the core announcements in todays Queens and will determine the direction the UK takes in energy production over the coming years
also an important factor that will be used by the SNP in it's latest round of independence demands - given hoe much of the wind farm production is in 'Scottish waters'
so it might matter quite a bit to know if our current PM is committed to this, or even understands the costs and implications, or whether this is just another convenient band wagon he is resting his fat carcass on at the moment
I expect the Queens speech to be the main topic of the news today, and wind farms to be a good part of that | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:54 - May 11 with 931 views | EdwardStone |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:44 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
Because there are other materials out there that don't have those long-term waste issues. Added to that that wind and solar are not as clean as people perceive due to the mining costs to the environment.
EDIT: There is also the vast space that converting fully to "renewables" would take. And the resulting environmental impact that would have. [Post edited 11 May 2021 9:48]
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I agree that wind/solar/tidal/wave/geothermal all carry an environmental cost
But that is much less than the past and current nuclear fiasco....a huge amount less
If you say that we should support the nuclear industry because they might be able to convert to less environmentally hostile materials....well, surely we could expect the renewables to do exactly the same, no?
I'm not sure that the "space" that renewables might need is really a clinching argument. Centralised generation requires a distribution network....lines of pylons striding across the countryside, as opposed to the majestic elegance of a few windmills | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:10 - May 11 with 907 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 09:54 - May 11 by EdwardStone |
I agree that wind/solar/tidal/wave/geothermal all carry an environmental cost
But that is much less than the past and current nuclear fiasco....a huge amount less
If you say that we should support the nuclear industry because they might be able to convert to less environmentally hostile materials....well, surely we could expect the renewables to do exactly the same, no?
I'm not sure that the "space" that renewables might need is really a clinching argument. Centralised generation requires a distribution network....lines of pylons striding across the countryside, as opposed to the majestic elegance of a few windmills |
Let's be clear, I support both. Both are better than fossil fuels, which is the primary evil right now. Both can play their part.
We cannot say the expect the same for both. Switching from uranium to thorium would be a huge step for safety and long-term environmental impact.
We cannot ignore issues of space taken when the footprint of one is so much smaller than the other. That has huge environmental implications. Just look at other industries impact on the environment at scale. Beef for example. | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:12 - May 11 with 901 views | catch74 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 08:58 - May 11 by Keno |
a vegan friend of mine has suggested they fit wind turbines to his arse and generate energy from the wind it produces |
Is that Dean or Josh? |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:17 - May 11 with 885 views | HARRY10 |
What is often overlooked is the need for energy security.
It is not the best of positions to be in having such dependency upon Russian gas, nor the volatility of the price of oil/gas either. A harsh lesson learnt in the oil crisis of 1973 (?) when OPEC raised the price of oil four fold.....imagine that now !
My point about Bunter the Liar is that decisions are never taken for the common good, that are what best suits him at any particular moment. Hence the long trail of costly failures he drags behind him.
That's what led him to spout more ill informed guff to the deluded bigots at their conference last autumn the figures he stated were at even the most cursory glance patent nonsense, given it would require one of the largest wind turbines to be put up every day for years and years ahead.
Whereas what we do not know is what the consumption levels will be looking ahead, nor the efficiency of newer turbines, much as with solar power. And I suspect the promises will merely focus on offshore turbines rather than cheaper onshore turbines.
And given the country has such a spineless cretin as it's PM we will still be wasting billions on the already economically obsolete HS2, while only scattering a few million to renewable energy. | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:21 - May 11 with 876 views | Pinewoodblue |
Your bitterness isn’t very persuasive. |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:26 - May 11 with 866 views | IpswichKnight |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:17 - May 11 by HARRY10 |
What is often overlooked is the need for energy security.
It is not the best of positions to be in having such dependency upon Russian gas, nor the volatility of the price of oil/gas either. A harsh lesson learnt in the oil crisis of 1973 (?) when OPEC raised the price of oil four fold.....imagine that now !
My point about Bunter the Liar is that decisions are never taken for the common good, that are what best suits him at any particular moment. Hence the long trail of costly failures he drags behind him.
That's what led him to spout more ill informed guff to the deluded bigots at their conference last autumn the figures he stated were at even the most cursory glance patent nonsense, given it would require one of the largest wind turbines to be put up every day for years and years ahead.
Whereas what we do not know is what the consumption levels will be looking ahead, nor the efficiency of newer turbines, much as with solar power. And I suspect the promises will merely focus on offshore turbines rather than cheaper onshore turbines.
And given the country has such a spineless cretin as it's PM we will still be wasting billions on the already economically obsolete HS2, while only scattering a few million to renewable energy. |
We don’t import any Russian gas, we either produce our own or import it from Norway. | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:32 - May 11 with 850 views | WeWereZombies |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:26 - May 11 by IpswichKnight |
We don’t import any Russian gas, we either produce our own or import it from Norway. |
If you have ever read interviews with Sir Ranulph Fiennes then you will know that it is the Norwegians who are the enemy... [Post edited 11 May 2021 10:40]
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:35 - May 11 with 836 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:26 - May 11 by IpswichKnight |
We don’t import any Russian gas, we either produce our own or import it from Norway. |
I fact-checked this and you are pretty much correct. No pipelines come from Russia. We do get a small, but significant amount from Belgium and Netherlands.
We did make an ad-hoc purchase from Russia in 2018, which accounted for 1.4% of that year's supply.
So you are correct in insinuating we don't have that insecurity.
Our main insecurity would come from the rest of Europe's dependence (37%). If there was a big issue, like "turning off supply", then there would be pressure on supply from our countries seeking to cut in on our supply. [Post edited 11 May 2021 10:39]
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:35 - May 11 with 831 views | EdwardStone |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:10 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
Let's be clear, I support both. Both are better than fossil fuels, which is the primary evil right now. Both can play their part.
We cannot say the expect the same for both. Switching from uranium to thorium would be a huge step for safety and long-term environmental impact.
We cannot ignore issues of space taken when the footprint of one is so much smaller than the other. That has huge environmental implications. Just look at other industries impact on the environment at scale. Beef for example. |
I'm glad that you can see the benefits of renewables and I'm sure that we fully agree on the problems that fossil fuels have caused and are continuing to cause
Where I cannot agree is for continued support to the nuclear industry. In my opinion, they have had there chance and failed to deliver. They have greedily suckled at the teat of taxpayers money for the last 70 or so years and I believe that our money could and should have been more wisely invested. To continue to support them as they make a move to less damaging materials is folly....simply throwing good money after bad. "But this time it will be different....I promise" Yeah, right.
I read that we are locked into the insanity of buying nuclear generated electricity from Hinkley for the next 90 years....at a current cost of 4 times the market rate. With the advances in solar that rate could be much greater as the years pass
The one factor that is rarely mentioned in these kind of discussions is the role of energy conservation. The cheapest and most benign Kilowatt of energy generation is the kilowatt that you don't require because you have invested in energy conservation
Not a big and shiny reactor that we can ooh and aahh at, go to its Visitor's Centre and all agree that the people who designed and built it were Jolly Clever Chaps
Not an amazing technological fix, a field of solar panels or a farm of majestic windmills....just humble rolls of Rockwool and bags of vermiculite and a few people in PPE shuffling about in the loft
Not as glamourous, but a significant contribution. | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:42 - May 11 with 796 views | HARRY10 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:26 - May 11 by IpswichKnight |
We don’t import any Russian gas, we either produce our own or import it from Norway. |
Incorrect
Russia was the fourth largest exporter of gas to the UK (2020) | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:42 - May 11 with 795 views | WeWereZombies |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:35 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
I fact-checked this and you are pretty much correct. No pipelines come from Russia. We do get a small, but significant amount from Belgium and Netherlands.
We did make an ad-hoc purchase from Russia in 2018, which accounted for 1.4% of that year's supply.
So you are correct in insinuating we don't have that insecurity.
Our main insecurity would come from the rest of Europe's dependence (37%). If there was a big issue, like "turning off supply", then there would be pressure on supply from our countries seeking to cut in on our supply. [Post edited 11 May 2021 10:39]
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And surely no nation from Continental Europe would ever threaten to turn off the energy supply of any island on this archipelago for any reason... | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:50 - May 11 with 785 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:42 - May 11 by WeWereZombies |
And surely no nation from Continental Europe would ever threaten to turn off the energy supply of any island on this archipelago for any reason... |
Haha, yeah, need to be more worried about the French than the Russians. | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:52 - May 11 with 780 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:42 - May 11 by HARRY10 |
Incorrect
Russia was the fourth largest exporter of gas to the UK (2020) |
Source and percentage? Fourth largest in 2018 was a one off purchase of 1.4% | |
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