| We've not actually had a decent chance all half 16:59 - Nov 20 with 1258 views | Steve_M |
It would have been intensely frustrating to only draw but an abysmal error and we've lost again.
It still isn't really working and we're falling away again. Still stumbling..... [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 17:03]
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:04 - Nov 20 with 1193 views | clive_baker |
Such a lack of cohesion and intensity. I think the result flatters Sunderland and that was never a penalty in a million years, but we can’t say we deserved to win. 2nd half was dreadful, we looked like a team of individuals with no real plan, barely strung 3 passes together in their third.
How we’ve managed to sign 20 players including 2 left backs and ended up with a rookie in there away to Sunderland. Positionally all over the place.
The changes were suicide too, don’t get the thinking behind it at all.
P1ssed off. |  |
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| We've not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:06 - Nov 20 with 1163 views | bluefunk |
Had Celina taken one of his 3 clear chances, we wouldn’t have been in that situation. Walton will get the blame but Celina was just as, if not more, culpable |  | | |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:20 - Nov 20 with 1078 views | Steve_M |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:04 - Nov 20 by clive_baker |
Such a lack of cohesion and intensity. I think the result flatters Sunderland and that was never a penalty in a million years, but we can’t say we deserved to win. 2nd half was dreadful, we looked like a team of individuals with no real plan, barely strung 3 passes together in their third.
How we’ve managed to sign 20 players including 2 left backs and ended up with a rookie in there away to Sunderland. Positionally all over the place.
The changes were suicide too, don’t get the thinking behind it at all.
P1ssed off. |
Yes, it's a real concern that, 18 matches into this season, we still look less than the sum of the individual players far more often than we look cohesive. We've only won six league matches and it's mid-November.
It really isn't dissimilar to Lambert in Autumn 2019 9which wasn't the same as last season) in a marked failure to maximise the ability of the players we have. | |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:25 - Nov 20 with 1050 views | Herbivore |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:04 - Nov 20 by clive_baker |
Such a lack of cohesion and intensity. I think the result flatters Sunderland and that was never a penalty in a million years, but we can’t say we deserved to win. 2nd half was dreadful, we looked like a team of individuals with no real plan, barely strung 3 passes together in their third.
How we’ve managed to sign 20 players including 2 left backs and ended up with a rookie in there away to Sunderland. Positionally all over the place.
The changes were suicide too, don’t get the thinking behind it at all.
P1ssed off. |
I worry about Cook's lack of flexibility and I'm not sure he's much of a tactician either. Why take off two players who can carry the ball up the pitch and replace them with two who can't when the game is finely poised? He loves a double swap in the attacking three around 60-70 minutes into the game but it's not often (ever?) changed the game for us for the better. It's like he's managing by script and can't deviate from it. We've seen us struggle numerous times after half time when the opposition makes adjustments and we just carry on trying the same stuff but with ever diminishing returns. Really disappointing. |  |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:31 - Nov 20 with 1032 views | LankHenners |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:04 - Nov 20 by clive_baker |
Such a lack of cohesion and intensity. I think the result flatters Sunderland and that was never a penalty in a million years, but we can’t say we deserved to win. 2nd half was dreadful, we looked like a team of individuals with no real plan, barely strung 3 passes together in their third.
How we’ve managed to sign 20 players including 2 left backs and ended up with a rookie in there away to Sunderland. Positionally all over the place.
The changes were suicide too, don’t get the thinking behind it at all.
P1ssed off. |
I was a bit concerned by our transfer business in the defensive positions - got the feeling we were struggling to get our top targets in, especially after we didn't land Bradley. Edmundson's become very solid and Donacien's had a resurgence but as much as he gets unnecessary stick we shouldn't be starting with Toto at CB and, as you say, someone who wasn't even in the picture a few weeks ago at LB. Clements reminds me of when Kenlock first come through - tidy going forwards got people excited but defensively still question marks.
Didn't watch but the subs today sounded like last week - we took off the players who were comfortable carrying the ball at pace and stretching the back line (even if they weren't on their A game) and brought on players who played it nicely but made it easy for Oxford to defend the spaces in front of them. Obviously no Burns on the bench to give that option but seemed like the subs slowed us down and made it more comfortable for Sunderland.
Cook made a decent start of answering the questions thrown at him but 4 games against teams above us and we've got 4 points - nowhere near good enough to be close to where we want to be. Feels a bit Paul Jewell - get the odd game where it seems to fall into place (Doncaster, Portsmouth, Wycombe) but can't get any consistency going.
Individually you could (and people will) say it's one of those games but it's another match where we've not made the most of being on top and thrown points away. Ultimately as a whole we don't do enough to create enough decent chances and have a soft underbelly which gets exploited too often. |  |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 19:24 - Nov 20 with 913 views | DarkHorse |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:20 - Nov 20 by Steve_M |
Yes, it's a real concern that, 18 matches into this season, we still look less than the sum of the individual players far more often than we look cohesive. We've only won six league matches and it's mid-November.
It really isn't dissimilar to Lambert in Autumn 2019 9which wasn't the same as last season) in a marked failure to maximise the ability of the players we have. |
It was very early-Lambert. Lots of possession, few chances, concede stupid goals.
They were there for the taking today. A good team beats them by a few. We lose. So Ipswich. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 19:26]
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 19:56 - Nov 20 with 844 views | Keaneish |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:04 - Nov 20 by clive_baker |
Such a lack of cohesion and intensity. I think the result flatters Sunderland and that was never a penalty in a million years, but we can’t say we deserved to win. 2nd half was dreadful, we looked like a team of individuals with no real plan, barely strung 3 passes together in their third.
How we’ve managed to sign 20 players including 2 left backs and ended up with a rookie in there away to Sunderland. Positionally all over the place.
The changes were suicide too, don’t get the thinking behind it at all.
P1ssed off. |
Can anyone else validate if this opinion is accurate in their view? This seems out of sorts with a lot of games I’ve seen and all the reports I’ve read said we were by far the better side who created some good openings, looked comfortable all game and deserved a win!? |  |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:00 - Nov 20 with 826 views | clive_baker |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 19:56 - Nov 20 by Keaneish |
Can anyone else validate if this opinion is accurate in their view? This seems out of sorts with a lot of games I’ve seen and all the reports I’ve read said we were by far the better side who created some good openings, looked comfortable all game and deserved a win!? |
Not entirely sure how someone else can validate my opinion, given it’s just that.
A draw would’ve been a fair result. I really struggle with the idea that we’ve lost 2-0, had 1 or 2 good chances and can claim to have done enough to win the game. It’s delusional. | |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:04 - Nov 20 with 798 views | chrismakin |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 19:56 - Nov 20 by Keaneish |
Can anyone else validate if this opinion is accurate in their view? This seems out of sorts with a lot of games I’ve seen and all the reports I’ve read said we were by far the better side who created some good openings, looked comfortable all game and deserved a win!? |
It was a typical lambert game but with better players failing to score first half.
PC ruined all the effort with a double suicide change, which completely changed the flow of the game into Sunderlands favour.
I mentioned it in my 19 man squad post. The changes made weren't productive at all with the players already on the pitch and of those available and the subs made by pc
IF you're bringing Pigott on, what is he going to do different to Bonne when we're not getting balls into the box? pointless sub
What's the point of fraser when chaplin and Bonne couldn't get space to receive the ball.
chaplin for celina became pointless as chaplin couldn't get space.. something celina was getting lots of first half via edwards runs.
When you keep the ball, it's seen as comfortable. Truth is, sunderland were as comfortable as town were, so comfortable they sat back and allowed us to have the ball.. knowing full well we couldn't hurt them. |  |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:05 - Nov 20 with 799 views | bluefunk |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:00 - Nov 20 by clive_baker |
Not entirely sure how someone else can validate my opinion, given it’s just that.
A draw would’ve been a fair result. I really struggle with the idea that we’ve lost 2-0, had 1 or 2 good chances and can claim to have done enough to win the game. It’s delusional. |
So Celina didn’t have 3 good chances that should have beat the keeper in the first half?? Morsi didn’t have a shot blocked for a corner, that could have been a goal? No we weren’t great second half but the game could have been done by half time | | | |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:08 - Nov 20 with 778 views | clive_baker |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:05 - Nov 20 by bluefunk |
So Celina didn’t have 3 good chances that should have beat the keeper in the first half?? Morsi didn’t have a shot blocked for a corner, that could have been a goal? No we weren’t great second half but the game could have been done by half time |
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. If we’re looking back to a 20 yard strike from Morsy that deflected behind for a corner as evidence of our dominance then perhaps we have different standards.
First half performance good. 2nd half performance terrible.
On balance, a draw would’ve been about right IMO. | |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:13 - Nov 20 with 754 views | itfcjoe |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:08 - Nov 20 by clive_baker |
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. If we’re looking back to a 20 yard strike from Morsy that deflected behind for a corner as evidence of our dominance then perhaps we have different standards.
First half performance good. 2nd half performance terrible.
On balance, a draw would’ve been about right IMO. |
Feels the same every week - if every single chance we have is classified as a great chance then no wonder people think we should win every week.
We don’t create anywhere near enough for the possession we have or for the quality we possess. It’s not like keepers are having storm era against us every week - they have to make 2 or 3 saves at most. Draw fairer today, we could have nicked it but didn’t do enough to press that home and ended up losing when should never have done |  |
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| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 20:33 - Nov 20 with 686 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| We're not actually had a decent chance all half on 17:31 - Nov 20 by LankHenners |
I was a bit concerned by our transfer business in the defensive positions - got the feeling we were struggling to get our top targets in, especially after we didn't land Bradley. Edmundson's become very solid and Donacien's had a resurgence but as much as he gets unnecessary stick we shouldn't be starting with Toto at CB and, as you say, someone who wasn't even in the picture a few weeks ago at LB. Clements reminds me of when Kenlock first come through - tidy going forwards got people excited but defensively still question marks.
Didn't watch but the subs today sounded like last week - we took off the players who were comfortable carrying the ball at pace and stretching the back line (even if they weren't on their A game) and brought on players who played it nicely but made it easy for Oxford to defend the spaces in front of them. Obviously no Burns on the bench to give that option but seemed like the subs slowed us down and made it more comfortable for Sunderland.
Cook made a decent start of answering the questions thrown at him but 4 games against teams above us and we've got 4 points - nowhere near good enough to be close to where we want to be. Feels a bit Paul Jewell - get the odd game where it seems to fall into place (Doncaster, Portsmouth, Wycombe) but can't get any consistency going.
Individually you could (and people will) say it's one of those games but it's another match where we've not made the most of being on top and thrown points away. Ultimately as a whole we don't do enough to create enough decent chances and have a soft underbelly which gets exploited too often. |
Agree with you about the defence. We need to have four solid defenders who can defend and let our other flair players work on the attack. Even misfiring today we would have come away with a draw if this was the case. Our wingbacks do not fit this model especially against stronger sides and we seem to be caught between two stools when we play them. If we insist on using wingbacks we should try 5 at the back then we won't be caught short when they are caught upfield. If we draw against the stronger teams and beat the weaker ones we have at least given ourselves a chance of promotion. I think the gelling argument is long past its sell by date and it is clear that the structure of the team is not right. We should not be depending on one player to change our fortunes and our one way of playing is clearly not working consistently. |  | | |
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