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It's odd how many people I see round here who are of African or Asian descent who wear coats even when, to my mind, it's fairly warm. Wonder if there's something in that... Hmmm.
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To serve and protect... on 15:31 - Mar 25 by footers
It's odd how many people I see round here who are of African or Asian descent who wear coats even when, to my mind, it's fairly warm. Wonder if there's something in that... Hmmm.
One morning in Lagos it dropped to about 22 - quite funny seeing the locals in bobble hats and scarfs :-)
Whilst I get there are a few in the police that give them a bad name I don't get your obsession of putting the police down whenever you can. We couldn't live without them that's for sure.
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To serve and protect... on 15:36 - Mar 25 with 1702 views
To serve and protect... on 15:35 - Mar 25 by gtsb1966
Whilst I get there are a few in the police that give them a bad name I don't get your obsession of putting the police down whenever you can. We couldn't live without them that's for sure.
To serve and protect... on 15:35 - Mar 25 by gtsb1966
Whilst I get there are a few in the police that give them a bad name I don't get your obsession of putting the police down whenever you can. We couldn't live without them that's for sure.
Maybe they should stop doing ridiculous things like searching someone for wearing a coat or strip searching children?
To serve and protect... on 15:42 - Mar 25 by footers
Stop holding people in power to account, it's boring, mate. Not like they've killed anyone, is it?
Well, I only have 6 outstanding complaints with the IOPC - thought it was 5 but had a chat to one the investigators and he confirmed it was actually 6.
To serve and protect... on 17:53 - Mar 25 by gtsb1966
No not at all. Like I said, there are obviously bad apples in every barrel it's just that you seem to be really anti police.
Generally speaking, we don't see many homophobic or racist nurses, because 1( we're a diverse workforce and 2) we don't tolerate this sh1t.
The trouble is, the police appear to have a culture of tolerating it. You're not really a 'good apple' if you're allowing the bad ones to carry on spoiling the barrel. Babylon could learn a lot from us lot.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
To serve and protect... on 18:29 - Mar 25 by BlueBadger
Personally, I'd reintroduce capital punishment for that.
Made of mine once had a night in the cells after saying 'gosh I though you lot only did this to black fellas' when he'd been pulled over for no clear reason..
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
To serve and protect... on 15:35 - Mar 25 by gtsb1966
Whilst I get there are a few in the police that give them a bad name I don't get your obsession of putting the police down whenever you can. We couldn't live without them that's for sure.
And of course that's just the cases where people have been brave enough to register a complaint.
We seem to have come a long way from the Peelian principles:
1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment. 2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect. 3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws. 4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives. 5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life. 6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective. 7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. 8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty. 9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.
And of course that's just the cases where people have been brave enough to register a complaint.
We seem to have come a long way from the Peelian principles:
1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment. 2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect. 3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws. 4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives. 5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life. 6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective. 7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. 8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty. 9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.
Indeed. There’s a very good speaker on those Peelian principles within the British police that I’m struggling to find.
It was an eye-opener to hear him talking about the police’s necessary remit within and in partnership with society rather than the policing we have seen that’s seemed much more of a top-down control of the population.
Amazing that we’ve somehow regressed from these principles from the 1800s. Which were hardly socially enlightened times.
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To serve and protect... on 12:57 - Mar 26 with 753 views
To serve and protect... on 11:18 - Mar 26 by Darth_Koont
Indeed. There’s a very good speaker on those Peelian principles within the British police that I’m struggling to find.
It was an eye-opener to hear him talking about the police’s necessary remit within and in partnership with society rather than the policing we have seen that’s seemed much more of a top-down control of the population.
Amazing that we’ve somehow regressed from these principles from the 1800s. Which were hardly socially enlightened times.
Found it.
It was on the Freakonomics podcast (highly recommended) talking about the US’s even worse problems with policing.
This guy is Alex Murray, a chief superintendent with the Met, who has a much healthier opinion of what policing could and should be along those Peelian principle lines:
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