| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! 09:00 - Sep 10 with 1783 views | unstableblue |
Jesus wept
Seriously fracking is just red meat to a Tory base, the kind of red meat to please the base and the backbench that has got this country into such a state - see Brexit.
Fracking in the UK is a complete waste of time and money, and goes against any logic, and that before you even consider CO2 reduction, and fracking risk, including methane discharge.
I’ll let Starmer himself and the governments very own recent advice explain
Rees Mogg and all of them - Vote them out |  |
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:06 - Sep 10 with 1739 views | Edmundo |
There was a scientific report on Fracking due to be published the very day after Liz Truss came to power. If only they could find it under the mountain of self-righteousness on her desk. |  |
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:15 - Sep 10 with 1701 views | unstableblue |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:06 - Sep 10 by Edmundo |
There was a scientific report on Fracking due to be published the very day after Liz Truss came to power. If only they could find it under the mountain of self-righteousness on her desk. |
30-35% of UK energy consumption is through homes
The base majority in home heating via boilers
Typically a third of that energy goes straight through the walls, windows, and roof
Rather than fracking we need a radical and accelerated home insulation programme, rather than just opening up more North Sea gas, and this fracking stupidity.
But it requires strong forward thinking government.
This have been started a decade ago. | |
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:23 - Sep 10 with 1674 views | Edmundo |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:15 - Sep 10 by unstableblue |
30-35% of UK energy consumption is through homes
The base majority in home heating via boilers
Typically a third of that energy goes straight through the walls, windows, and roof
Rather than fracking we need a radical and accelerated home insulation programme, rather than just opening up more North Sea gas, and this fracking stupidity.
But it requires strong forward thinking government.
This have been started a decade ago. |
Agree 100%. Subsidise businesses in the oil and gas industry or subsidise households/SMEs to provide insulation, even solar panels in some areas ffs.
These guys are even more stupid than the last lot. They make the Republican party look like moderate scientists. Hell, they make the Labour Party look amazing, and they haven't had to do a thing. | |
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| Indeed. I just found this excellent article that spells it out… on 09:34 - Sep 10 with 1640 views | unstableblue |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:23 - Sep 10 by Edmundo |
Agree 100%. Subsidise businesses in the oil and gas industry or subsidise households/SMEs to provide insulation, even solar panels in some areas ffs.
These guys are even more stupid than the last lot. They make the Republican party look like moderate scientists. Hell, they make the Labour Party look amazing, and they haven't had to do a thing. |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/09/tories-decade-fossil-fuel- | |
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:40 - Sep 10 with 1603 views | NthQldITFC |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:15 - Sep 10 by unstableblue |
30-35% of UK energy consumption is through homes
The base majority in home heating via boilers
Typically a third of that energy goes straight through the walls, windows, and roof
Rather than fracking we need a radical and accelerated home insulation programme, rather than just opening up more North Sea gas, and this fracking stupidity.
But it requires strong forward thinking government.
This have been started a decade ago. |
I'd only take issue with the 'strong forward thinking' bit.
We could have had a weak, short-term focussed government in place, and if they had an ounce of responsibility about them and weren't just focussed on stuffing their pockets, they could have put a effective (even a cost-effective) home insulation programme in place.
This Tory lot have been an absolute disgrace in so many ways and this is certainly one of them, but the lack of any cohesive cross-party planning given our increasing knowledge of the nature of the existential threat we face goes back at least to the turn of the century. So I suppose you are right about the forward thinking bit as far as the bigger picture goes. But even a bunch of idiots like we have should have done something. It's a no-brainer, and for that they are qualified. |  |
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:58 - Sep 10 with 1562 views | Basuco |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:15 - Sep 10 by unstableblue |
30-35% of UK energy consumption is through homes
The base majority in home heating via boilers
Typically a third of that energy goes straight through the walls, windows, and roof
Rather than fracking we need a radical and accelerated home insulation programme, rather than just opening up more North Sea gas, and this fracking stupidity.
But it requires strong forward thinking government.
This have been started a decade ago. |
Fracking will provide more high cost gas, which means more profit for energy providers and no benefit to consumers at all, that is why it is so important to the government. Why they don't reduce the cost per kilowatt hour to the nuclear power generators down from the current £650 - £700 per kilowatt hour when it only costs £50 PKH to generate? It is an easy zero cost win for the Government to reduce energy bills for home and business. |  | | |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 10:08 - Sep 10 with 1518 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:15 - Sep 10 by unstableblue |
30-35% of UK energy consumption is through homes
The base majority in home heating via boilers
Typically a third of that energy goes straight through the walls, windows, and roof
Rather than fracking we need a radical and accelerated home insulation programme, rather than just opening up more North Sea gas, and this fracking stupidity.
But it requires strong forward thinking government.
This have been started a decade ago. |
There have been so many different schemes over the years all restrictive in someway and most have failed.
While it is true the Tories have failed this is really a problem that goes back decades and all governments, Tory, Labour or coalition’s have failed.
Personally I can look back to the early 70’s, the first house purchased an old terrace house in need of improvement, Grants we’re available but it didn’t really help much as all it really did was put up the price of unmodernised housing.
There will always be someone who reaps the benefit and it is rarely those it is aimed at. |  |
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 10:52 - Sep 10 with 1391 views | MattinLondon |
Look it was bad then but we’ve said some load of tripe to our grass route members and we now have to go along with it. Now fracking is great. Some of our mates have shares in those companies so it’s a win-win for us. We get richer and between you and me, we don’t live anywhere near those fracking sites so we don’t care. |  | | |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 11:05 - Sep 10 with 1369 views | jontysnut |
They're all for as long as it's up North somewhere and no one's drilling big holes all over their constituency. |  | | |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 11:29 - Sep 10 with 1280 views | unstableblue |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 10:08 - Sep 10 by Pinewoodblue |
There have been so many different schemes over the years all restrictive in someway and most have failed.
While it is true the Tories have failed this is really a problem that goes back decades and all governments, Tory, Labour or coalition’s have failed.
Personally I can look back to the early 70’s, the first house purchased an old terrace house in need of improvement, Grants we’re available but it didn’t really help much as all it really did was put up the price of unmodernised housing.
There will always be someone who reaps the benefit and it is rarely those it is aimed at. |
Whilst I don’t disagree this has been a long term hurdle, I don’t agree this is not something that could have been progressed during this government
A neighbour was involved in setting up a company in the necessary supply chain to make the last big initiative green deal work.
The early stage of house survey
The reason the whole thing failed was government commitment and appetite. It needed real funding and real energy/push.
Read the below. Our shameful benchmark against the rest of Europe - yes I know they have more extremes of temp - sums up where we benchmark as a forward looking country
“ Report after report, campaign after campaign, year after year, governments have been reminded of the prudence of investing to make our buildings cheaper and cleaner to heat. Direct grants for those on low incomes, financial support for households and private firms, and properly funded schemes for the public sector could have ended the UK’s reign as the least insulated country in western Europe.” | |
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 11:36 - Sep 10 with 1267 views | XYZ |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 10:52 - Sep 10 by MattinLondon |
Look it was bad then but we’ve said some load of tripe to our grass route members and we now have to go along with it. Now fracking is great. Some of our mates have shares in those companies so it’s a win-win for us. We get richer and between you and me, we don’t live anywhere near those fracking sites so we don’t care. |
Are "grass route" members those with long-term cannabis habits? |  | | |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 11:40 - Sep 10 with 1250 views | Ryorry |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 09:58 - Sep 10 by Basuco |
Fracking will provide more high cost gas, which means more profit for energy providers and no benefit to consumers at all, that is why it is so important to the government. Why they don't reduce the cost per kilowatt hour to the nuclear power generators down from the current £650 - £700 per kilowatt hour when it only costs £50 PKH to generate? It is an easy zero cost win for the Government to reduce energy bills for home and business. |
Fracking in the UK won't provide *any* gas.
“If we could frack effectively" (quote by Kwasi-Kwarteng from the Huffington Post link Badger provided). "We" in the UK can't.
Some people in govt. & their fans still seem too stupid to grasp the basic facts, and/or are lying - fracking will never be viable in UK because our geology is unsuitable, our landmass too small & our population density far too great for it ever to get the 'Community Consent' that's required for it to go ahead.
Fracking companies like Third Energy pulled out of trying it in the UK prior to the moratorium, for the combination of reasons that they were coming up against UK geology, adverse effects like minor earthquakes, and mass protests incorporating their sites & lorries being continually blocked. |  |
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| BB - Starmer being superb in raising this point on 11:42 - Sep 10 with 1248 views | unstableblue |
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| BB - Starmer being superb in raising this point on 13:56 - Sep 10 with 1103 views | BlueNomad |
| BB - Starmer being superb in raising this point on 11:42 - Sep 10 by unstableblue |
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Starmer may have been on fire but do you really think it will have any effect on the Tory Cult - most who have no interest in politics? [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 14:02]
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| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 14:16 - Sep 10 with 1040 views | jontysnut |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 11:40 - Sep 10 by Ryorry |
Fracking in the UK won't provide *any* gas.
“If we could frack effectively" (quote by Kwasi-Kwarteng from the Huffington Post link Badger provided). "We" in the UK can't.
Some people in govt. & their fans still seem too stupid to grasp the basic facts, and/or are lying - fracking will never be viable in UK because our geology is unsuitable, our landmass too small & our population density far too great for it ever to get the 'Community Consent' that's required for it to go ahead.
Fracking companies like Third Energy pulled out of trying it in the UK prior to the moratorium, for the combination of reasons that they were coming up against UK geology, adverse effects like minor earthquakes, and mass protests incorporating their sites & lorries being continually blocked. |
I think they've got round some of that by banning protests | | | |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 21:16 - Sep 10 with 898 views | Ryorry |
| Fracking?! Fracking?!?! on 14:16 - Sep 10 by jontysnut |
I think they've got round some of that by banning protests |
Only "noisy" ones, & this kind of protest would be just as effective if silent. And there'd be tens of thousands of protesters, they'd not be able to arrest us all.
Pretty sure it wouldn't even get to that stage though - at least the fracking companies that tried previously will themselves now know the UK to be unviable territory, and other companies will have wised up from their experiences. Different story maybe if they wanted to try it offshore, but I don't know much about that. | |
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