| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial 11:52 - Oct 11 with 5063 views | blueasfook |
Been following this on Sky news website last couple of days. Going to be a long trial apparently - possibly 6 months.
How can a trial take 6 months? There must be a lot of evidence to go through?
Also, if found guilty at the end, I wouldnt want to be in her shoes. |  |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 11:58 - Oct 11 with 4999 views | XYZ |
Isn't it 7 murder charges and 20-odd attempted murder charges?
That's a lot of evidence to go through. Innocent until found guilty caveat.
I'd imagine that each parent wanted her charged so they couldn't try her on a couple of "sample" cases. |  | | |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:01 - Oct 11 with 4990 views | blueasfook |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 11:58 - Oct 11 by XYZ |
Isn't it 7 murder charges and 20-odd attempted murder charges?
That's a lot of evidence to go through. Innocent until found guilty caveat.
I'd imagine that each parent wanted her charged so they couldn't try her on a couple of "sample" cases. |
I think it's 7 murders and 10 attempted murders. Was going to be 8 murders but one charge was dropped prior to the trial.
Awful case in any circumstances. She looks a harmless, fairly nice young lady. Hard to imagine her a baby-killing pyschopath. | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:11 - Oct 11 with 4924 views | XYZ |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:01 - Oct 11 by blueasfook |
I think it's 7 murders and 10 attempted murders. Was going to be 8 murders but one charge was dropped prior to the trial.
Awful case in any circumstances. She looks a harmless, fairly nice young lady. Hard to imagine her a baby-killing pyschopath. |
The older I get the more inclined I am to avoid the details in these type of cases. | | | |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:17 - Oct 11 with 4891 views | Illinoisblue |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:11 - Oct 11 by XYZ |
The older I get the more inclined I am to avoid the details in these type of cases. |
Same. Just read the story and wished i hadn’t. Something very unsettling about a nurse allegedly doing these things to helpless babies. |  |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:19 - Oct 11 with 4866 views | XYZ |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:17 - Oct 11 by Illinoisblue |
Same. Just read the story and wished i hadn’t. Something very unsettling about a nurse allegedly doing these things to helpless babies. |
Quite - and it's going to run for 6 months! | | | |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:41 - Oct 11 with 4794 views | giant_stow |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:11 - Oct 11 by XYZ |
The older I get the more inclined I am to avoid the details in these type of cases. |
Yeah, nothing on the 'why' yet and I'm not sue I want to know. |  |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:49 - Oct 11 with 4747 views | blueasfook |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:17 - Oct 11 by Illinoisblue |
Same. Just read the story and wished i hadn’t. Something very unsettling about a nurse allegedly doing these things to helpless babies. |
Wouldn't be the first time a medical professional killed their patients. There was the case of Beverly Allitt some years ago, and of course, Harold Shipman. | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:58 - Oct 11 with 4686 views | BlueBadger |
Investigations into just single suspicious deaths, those happening under suspicious cirumctances can take a LONG Time. Presenting the evidence as well can be highly involved.
From the reading I've done around this, it sounds as though there's going to be a LOT of highly technical, specialised evidence needing a fair few field experts to hear from with a LOT of victims. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 13:08]
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:59 - Oct 11 with 4685 views | clive_baker |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:01 - Oct 11 by blueasfook |
I think it's 7 murders and 10 attempted murders. Was going to be 8 murders but one charge was dropped prior to the trial.
Awful case in any circumstances. She looks a harmless, fairly nice young lady. Hard to imagine her a baby-killing pyschopath. |
It is hard. I'm sure serial killers aren't identifiable by the way they look, but as you say the image or 2 I've seen of her she looks a long way from what I would imagine a baby killer to look like. |  |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:01 - Oct 11 with 4673 views | MattinLondon |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:49 - Oct 11 by blueasfook |
Wouldn't be the first time a medical professional killed their patients. There was the case of Beverly Allitt some years ago, and of course, Harold Shipman. |
But thankfully such cases are extremely rare. |  | | |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:05 - Oct 11 with 4642 views | BlueBadger |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:41 - Oct 11 by giant_stow |
Yeah, nothing on the 'why' yet and I'm not sue I want to know. |
I've met one highly concerning character who, thankfully was only a student nurse at the time.
They were DESPERATE to work in either emergency medicine or critical care because of 'all the cool life-and death stuff you guys see'(spoiler alert - 90% of ED and critical care work is number watching and/or highly routine) and were completely fascinated with the arrest trolley and emergency kit around bed spaces, not to mention were obsessed with sitting in on 'bad news' discussions and had a fixation about what the 'correct' responses to bad news were(short answer - there isn't really one).
Most of my nursing students I tended to allow to have their 'own' patients(with appropriate supervision, of course). This one, never did that. I was already leaning towards takin that decision for myself when our education link person pulled me to one side and hinted very strongly that I didn't leave them unsupervised around patients.
Thankfully by the time of their placement with [redacted] intensive care unit they were hanging on by the skin of their teeth thanks to previously reported concerns(coupled to the ones that my unit reported) and fortunately were not allowed to gain a PIN number. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 13:27]
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:09 - Oct 11 with 4606 views | BlueBadger |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:01 - Oct 11 by MattinLondon |
But thankfully such cases are extremely rare. |
Most of us only kill people through error....
*note for reading stalky loons - this is a JOKE. A Very black, not very funny one, but a joke... | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:13 - Oct 11 with 4595 views | giant_stow |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:05 - Oct 11 by BlueBadger |
I've met one highly concerning character who, thankfully was only a student nurse at the time.
They were DESPERATE to work in either emergency medicine or critical care because of 'all the cool life-and death stuff you guys see'(spoiler alert - 90% of ED and critical care work is number watching and/or highly routine) and were completely fascinated with the arrest trolley and emergency kit around bed spaces, not to mention were obsessed with sitting in on 'bad news' discussions and had a fixation about what the 'correct' responses to bad news were(short answer - there isn't really one).
Most of my nursing students I tended to allow to have their 'own' patients(with appropriate supervision, of course). This one, never did that. I was already leaning towards takin that decision for myself when our education link person pulled me to one side and hinted very strongly that I didn't leave them unsupervised around patients.
Thankfully by the time of their placement with [redacted] intensive care unit they were hanging on by the skin of their teeth thanks to previously reported concerns(coupled to the ones that my unit reported) and fortunately were not allowed to gain a PIN number. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 13:27]
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gawd!
Thanks for helping to spot that loon mr... my oh my.... | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:31 - Oct 11 with 4540 views | BlueBadger |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:13 - Oct 11 by giant_stow |
gawd!
Thanks for helping to spot that loon mr... my oh my.... |
Just been talking about them with MRs Badger and I've remembered something else they'd do - the were REALLY bad at medications. But not in a 'not paying attention' or 'bad maths' way that most students(or indeed a lot of nurses in general) make errors but in a flat-out 'mistake one drug for another' way and would say things like 'it's REALLY hard to draw up insulin isn't it? Those needles are SO small, you could overdose someone REALLY easily with insulin, couldn't you?'
'And you probably wouldn't spot it for AGES either, I bet'. | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 14:20 - Oct 11 with 4418 views | MattinLondon |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:31 - Oct 11 by BlueBadger |
Just been talking about them with MRs Badger and I've remembered something else they'd do - the were REALLY bad at medications. But not in a 'not paying attention' or 'bad maths' way that most students(or indeed a lot of nurses in general) make errors but in a flat-out 'mistake one drug for another' way and would say things like 'it's REALLY hard to draw up insulin isn't it? Those needles are SO small, you could overdose someone REALLY easily with insulin, couldn't you?'
'And you probably wouldn't spot it for AGES either, I bet'. |
Blimey- I hope that person never found themselves in a medical field. | | | |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 14:24 - Oct 11 with 4408 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
All rather heartbreaking, she was arrested some time ago, think the pulling together of the case has taken some time.
Very keen to see how her mindset is presented, motive etc. A lot of serial killers are driven by a hatred of their targets but that seems unlikely in this case. Shipman just became intoxicated with the power didn't he, maybe it was that.
Think the defence have a difficult job as there are a lot of coincidences in this one at 1st glance |  |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 14:34 - Oct 11 with 4374 views | BlueBadger |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 14:20 - Oct 11 by MattinLondon |
Blimey- I hope that person never found themselves in a medical field. |
Last I heard, they were working for a supermarket but trying to get transferred into the pharmacy, without much success. | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 15:51 - Oct 11 with 4265 views | blueasfook |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 13:01 - Oct 11 by MattinLondon |
But thankfully such cases are extremely rare. |
Shipman was tried for killing 15 people, but an offical enquiry found he more likely killed about 250. Serial Killer Rating : 10 | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:19 - Oct 11 with 4140 views | factual_blue |
If we're about to be annihilated in a massive nuclear attack, I'm driving off to the visitors' car park at RAF Lakenheath and taking a fatal dose of insulin. |  |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:26 - Oct 11 with 4131 views | WeWereZombies |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 14:24 - Oct 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
All rather heartbreaking, she was arrested some time ago, think the pulling together of the case has taken some time.
Very keen to see how her mindset is presented, motive etc. A lot of serial killers are driven by a hatred of their targets but that seems unlikely in this case. Shipman just became intoxicated with the power didn't he, maybe it was that.
Think the defence have a difficult job as there are a lot of coincidences in this one at 1st glance |
Thinking about it I have to wonder whether the motive was not so much to kill the babies but use that as a way of destroying the lives of the happy parents, and that there would possibly be tragic reasons for such a motive. That is not to say that there should be any leniency if a guilty verdict is passed, it must be difficult enough for expectant parents, especially the mothers, to cope with the loss of a child but to find out that the loss was the result of deliberate poisoning would increase the agony and add in so much anger that it would be almost unbearable. |  |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:30 - Oct 11 with 4115 views | bungaytractor |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:26 - Oct 11 by WeWereZombies |
Thinking about it I have to wonder whether the motive was not so much to kill the babies but use that as a way of destroying the lives of the happy parents, and that there would possibly be tragic reasons for such a motive. That is not to say that there should be any leniency if a guilty verdict is passed, it must be difficult enough for expectant parents, especially the mothers, to cope with the loss of a child but to find out that the loss was the result of deliberate poisoning would increase the agony and add in so much anger that it would be almost unbearable. |
Could be munchausen by proxy maybe | | | |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:33 - Oct 11 with 4098 views | WeWereZombies |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:30 - Oct 11 by bungaytractor |
Could be munchausen by proxy maybe |
Is the accused a mother herself ? If not then I doubt it.
[edit] Actually, even if she was I still doubt it as the babies were not her dependants. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 17:35]
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:46 - Oct 11 with 4070 views | factual_blue |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 12:01 - Oct 11 by blueasfook |
I think it's 7 murders and 10 attempted murders. Was going to be 8 murders but one charge was dropped prior to the trial.
Awful case in any circumstances. She looks a harmless, fairly nice young lady. Hard to imagine her a baby-killing pyschopath. |
Seventeen trials then. Each offence has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. So effectively less than two weeks per offence. | |
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| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 18:17 - Oct 11 with 4010 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Nurse Lucy Letby Trial on 17:26 - Oct 11 by WeWereZombies |
Thinking about it I have to wonder whether the motive was not so much to kill the babies but use that as a way of destroying the lives of the happy parents, and that there would possibly be tragic reasons for such a motive. That is not to say that there should be any leniency if a guilty verdict is passed, it must be difficult enough for expectant parents, especially the mothers, to cope with the loss of a child but to find out that the loss was the result of deliberate poisoning would increase the agony and add in so much anger that it would be almost unbearable. |
I wondered similar, perhaps and of course this pure speculation on my part but unable to have her own or a break up and it was about taking away something from others that she couldn't have herself.
Maybe just someone with serious psychological problems.
Of course we haven't heard from the defence yet so have to hear their side too before any such judgment and we shouldn't lose sight of that.
Terrible for the families of the victims either way. | |
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