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My real concern is that the Tories in such disarray that any attempt to form a new relationship with the EU is off the table
And Labour are so desperate for power they won’t even mention the ‘B’ word in their manifesto, and yet resolving our trading relationships is probably our number 1 issue
And who is holding Boris, Farage, the ERG and the right wing press to account for vote leave misinformation??
At least there can be no one left on TWTD who thinks it was a good idea, surely?! First step own the mistake, second step admit the scale and priority of the issue, third step create a cross parliament mandate to renegotiate a lasting relationship where compromises will need to be made and little Englander tub thumping must be removed
Good short film on Brexit effect from the FT; surely there is no one left who… on 09:15 - Oct 24 by WD19
From polling last month, apparently among those expressing a preference, 54% would now vote to join the EU while only 46% would back staying out.
Given the clear evidence should by 70% rejoining
But confirmation bias in the age of the algorithm is huge thing and people won’t give up there Brexit position
I am noting a sea change in reporting and focus though… this popped up in my feed after my earlier post:
Super wealthy private-equity investor Guy Hands says the British economy is “frankly doomed†unless the government succeeds in fundamentally changing the Brexit negotiated by Boris Johnson. He says Truss’s disastrous unfunded tax cuts were necessitated by Brexit but…
Those polling numbers are still not representative of the scale of the issue! on 09:24 - Oct 24 by unstableblue
Given the clear evidence should by 70% rejoining
But confirmation bias in the age of the algorithm is huge thing and people won’t give up there Brexit position
I am noting a sea change in reporting and focus though… this popped up in my feed after my earlier post:
Super wealthy private-equity investor Guy Hands says the British economy is “frankly doomed†unless the government succeeds in fundamentally changing the Brexit negotiated by Boris Johnson. He says Truss’s disastrous unfunded tax cuts were necessitated by Brexit but…
I’m a huge remainer and think we scored a massive own goal by leaving the EU and so cluelessly as well.
But it’s also true that the Brexit debate divided the country and dominated our politics to the exclusion of even more important things like the environment, like our already shonky, unbalanced economy and hollowed-out society, like stagnant wages, food insecurity, lack of affordable housing, millions of poor children and so on and so on.
Resurrecting that fight again seems an awful idea while Brexiteer extremists still make capital in the mainstream and, more importantly, no-one is really addressing the bigger underlying issues either.
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Good short film on Brexit effect from the FT; surely there is no one left who… on 09:39 - Oct 24 with 1176 views
Brexit the number one cause of the death spiral we are in. Forget pandemic or Putin. They haven’t helped but are not the primary cause.
The trouble is that the argument for leaving was basically based on hate and rhetoric, not on substance. The same people like freaky Mogg, swivel eyed Farage and co still get air time and people like three friends of mine (who are intelligent people amazingly) lap it up. They’ve dug their trench and are firmly at the bottom of it.
The next steps are blindingly obvious, but no politician dare say it or do anything about it.
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Those polling numbers are still not representative of the scale of the issue! on 10:47 - Oct 24 with 1114 views
Those polling numbers are still not representative of the scale of the issue! on 09:32 - Oct 24 by Darth_Koont
I’m a huge remainer and think we scored a massive own goal by leaving the EU and so cluelessly as well.
But it’s also true that the Brexit debate divided the country and dominated our politics to the exclusion of even more important things like the environment, like our already shonky, unbalanced economy and hollowed-out society, like stagnant wages, food insecurity, lack of affordable housing, millions of poor children and so on and so on.
Resurrecting that fight again seems an awful idea while Brexiteer extremists still make capital in the mainstream and, more importantly, no-one is really addressing the bigger underlying issues either.
I'm with you. Part of me also thinks those who voted for it really need to see and feel the consequences of their actions. We shouldn't seek to rejoin until that is apparent and the architects of the scam are dealt with by those they conned.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
Those polling numbers are still not representative of the scale of the issue! on 09:24 - Oct 24 by unstableblue
Given the clear evidence should by 70% rejoining
But confirmation bias in the age of the algorithm is huge thing and people won’t give up there Brexit position
I am noting a sea change in reporting and focus though… this popped up in my feed after my earlier post:
Super wealthy private-equity investor Guy Hands says the British economy is “frankly doomed†unless the government succeeds in fundamentally changing the Brexit negotiated by Boris Johnson. He says Truss’s disastrous unfunded tax cuts were necessitated by Brexit but…
Sorry Mr Dunstable, I politely disagree. There are legions who still believe in Brexit
Because facts no longer matter, it is all decided by perception and opinion.
Brexit was never sold as fact, it was presented as a belief; a faith if you like.
So presenting a series of facts will not really convince the Leave supporters that they were wrong.
The situation cannot be resolved at the moment, the wound is too raw and the divisions run too deep. Everything needs to get worse before we can begin to campaign to rejoin in some form.
I think we have been hit by a series of blows, Covid, Ukraine War, Brexit and to a lesser extent the catastrophic mini-budget.
Some of these were entirely foreseeable and avoidable, others less so.
But all will continue to have a negative effect on our well-being
Good Luck one and all, choppy seas ahead
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PLEASE listen to this - and it’s from a Tory donor! on 15:15 - Oct 24 with 880 views
Extraordinary and brutal from Tory supporter and investment banker Guy Hands: "Mistakes made in the last six years have put this country on a path to be the sick man of Europe." Brexit deal is "completely hopeless", must be renegotiated, or we're headed for "an IMF bailout". ~AA pic.twitter.com/p1F6vE6Fda
Come on let’s stop feckin round and as he says, fess up the Brexit mistake, get someone with intelligence and integrity into build a new model with Europe.
Brexit was predicated on a hardcore capitalist model of low taxation, low benefit and low regulation… but it was sold as ‘getting back control’ and sovereignty…. That is not actually what the people want… they want a strong NHS, they want environmental controls…. They want a system that cares for people who can’t afford to eat
Again let’s wake up and admit the error.. own the mistake
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