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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting 10:04 - Dec 7 with 3113 viewsgiant_stow

To overthrow the German state is pretty mental no?

Those that missed it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/07/german-police-raids-target-far-rig

Not just a couple of loons, but a real conspiracy.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:19 - Dec 7 with 2402 viewsSwansea_Blue

Mental indeed.

AfD are Farage's buddies. The AfD MP quoted there was in post at the time he was attending their rallies a few years ago and whipping up their support.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:24 - Dec 7 with 2389 viewsGuthrum

Not just a couple of loons, some of the Reichsburger groups have hundreds of adherents, including, alarmingly, members of military special forces. They also have a history of stockpiling weapons. Many of them are very right wing and even neo-nazi/antisemitic.

All part of the same broad scene as the Sovreign Citizens in the US and those claiming the Magna Carta frees them from laws and taxes in this country. Extreme individualist libertarians who deny responsibility to the state while living within its support and protection. With a very selective, not to say peculiar, interpretation of history and law.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:31 - Dec 7 with 2357 viewsgiant_stow

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:24 - Dec 7 by Guthrum

Not just a couple of loons, some of the Reichsburger groups have hundreds of adherents, including, alarmingly, members of military special forces. They also have a history of stockpiling weapons. Many of them are very right wing and even neo-nazi/antisemitic.

All part of the same broad scene as the Sovreign Citizens in the US and those claiming the Magna Carta frees them from laws and taxes in this country. Extreme individualist libertarians who deny responsibility to the state while living within its support and protection. With a very selective, not to say peculiar, interpretation of history and law.


If 25 have been arrested, it makes you wonder how many are left and what they'll do now.

You mentioning the international links makes we wonder if there's been any coordination.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:36 - Dec 7 with 2338 viewsblueasfook

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:31 - Dec 7 by giant_stow

If 25 have been arrested, it makes you wonder how many are left and what they'll do now.

You mentioning the international links makes we wonder if there's been any coordination.


The fact that some of them are/were active members of the military is quite concerning.

Obvious that they intended to use violence to try to achieve their aims.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 11:22 - Dec 7 with 2251 viewsgiant_stow

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:36 - Dec 7 by blueasfook

The fact that some of them are/were active members of the military is quite concerning.

Obvious that they intended to use violence to try to achieve their aims.


Whats intriguing me is that more information seems to be very slow in coming out.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 11:23 - Dec 7 with 2252 viewsGuthrum

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 10:31 - Dec 7 by giant_stow

If 25 have been arrested, it makes you wonder how many are left and what they'll do now.

You mentioning the international links makes we wonder if there's been any coordination.


The vast majority of these people are fairly harmless oddballs. Many more keen on proclaiming themselves supreme leader (Fuhrer, King, Emperor, whatever) and gathering followers than actually trying to sieze power. Also these groups are extremely fragmentary, constantly splitting apart and feuding with each other.

A few, however, are dangerous fanatics capable of organising and carrying out violent acts. These are the ones now targeted by the German authorities.

Most of those attracted to these ideas feel themselves to be socially and economically excluded in what they perceive to be rapidly changing world becoming unfriendly to an in-group they self-identify with (e.g. white, working class, male). They hearken back to a mythical glorious past in which they fantasise themselves achieving prominence as Germanic warrior chieftains, tough frontiersmen or ruthless SS leaders.

Coordination is far too strong a word. There is certainly cross-pollination of ideas and provision of moral support. Maybe individual instances of direct visits and/or provision of funding. But are they capable of concerted international unrest? Not on anything more than the smallest scale. Which we have seen before with occasional murders, such as that of Walter Lubke or those by the "National Socialist Underground".

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 12:33 - Dec 7 with 2144 viewsmonytowbray

But can we call it “fascism” yet?

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 12:41 - Dec 7 with 2127 viewsGuthrum

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 12:33 - Dec 7 by monytowbray

But can we call it “fascism” yet?


Yes, some of them are outright fascists. Others nazis, similar but distinct. Still others monarchists, wishing to resurrect the German Empire of 1871-1919. Most just want to be big and important without the trouble of working through mainstream politics. Or are simply cranks.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 12:43 - Dec 7 with 2117 viewsgiant_stow

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 12:33 - Dec 7 by monytowbray

But can we call it “fascism” yet?


seems fair to me.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 12:59 - Dec 7 with 2087 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Don’t worry - we’ve already begun dusting off the seaborne defences at Minsmere!
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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:00 - Dec 7 with 2091 viewsIllinoisblue

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 11:23 - Dec 7 by Guthrum

The vast majority of these people are fairly harmless oddballs. Many more keen on proclaiming themselves supreme leader (Fuhrer, King, Emperor, whatever) and gathering followers than actually trying to sieze power. Also these groups are extremely fragmentary, constantly splitting apart and feuding with each other.

A few, however, are dangerous fanatics capable of organising and carrying out violent acts. These are the ones now targeted by the German authorities.

Most of those attracted to these ideas feel themselves to be socially and economically excluded in what they perceive to be rapidly changing world becoming unfriendly to an in-group they self-identify with (e.g. white, working class, male). They hearken back to a mythical glorious past in which they fantasise themselves achieving prominence as Germanic warrior chieftains, tough frontiersmen or ruthless SS leaders.

Coordination is far too strong a word. There is certainly cross-pollination of ideas and provision of moral support. Maybe individual instances of direct visits and/or provision of funding. But are they capable of concerted international unrest? Not on anything more than the smallest scale. Which we have seen before with occasional murders, such as that of Walter Lubke or those by the "National Socialist Underground".


Echoes of the militia groups here in the States. Mostly confused hate-filled individuals who like to cosplay as pretend soldiers, fighting for freedoms they already have. Largely harmless but usually a few in the groups willing to take it dangerously far.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:06 - Dec 7 with 2059 viewsGuthrum

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:00 - Dec 7 by Illinoisblue

Echoes of the militia groups here in the States. Mostly confused hate-filled individuals who like to cosplay as pretend soldiers, fighting for freedoms they already have. Largely harmless but usually a few in the groups willing to take it dangerously far.


They are also part of the same phenomenon.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:16 - Dec 7 with 2007 viewsElderGrizzly

This line is particularly telling or horrifying:

"For now, the Russian Federation was exclusively to be the central contact for these negotiations" when talking about how they would manage post-takeover when negotiating international treaties

aligning with Russia isn't the best calling card
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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:19 - Dec 7 with 1989 viewsBlueBadger

Yeah, Russia are bankrolling a lot of modern nazis nowadays. From Trump, to UKIP, the Conservative Party, Marine Le Pen to these lot.
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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:20 - Dec 7 with 1979 viewsElderGrizzly

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:00 - Dec 7 by Illinoisblue

Echoes of the militia groups here in the States. Mostly confused hate-filled individuals who like to cosplay as pretend soldiers, fighting for freedoms they already have. Largely harmless but usually a few in the groups willing to take it dangerously far.


It wouldn't surprise me to see financial links to the likes of Bannon etc
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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:39 - Dec 7 with 1934 viewsSteve_M

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:19 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger

Yeah, Russia are bankrolling a lot of modern nazis nowadays. From Trump, to UKIP, the Conservative Party, Marine Le Pen to these lot.
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Oh look at this coincidence:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/06/us-conservatives-pushing-russian-s

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:48 - Dec 7 with 1915 viewsRyorry

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:39 - Dec 7 by Steve_M

Oh look at this coincidence:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/06/us-conservatives-pushing-russian-s


Only had time to skim the article (thanks for posting it) but I imagine they'd be just the sort T.rump would be looking for votes from if he runs in '24 🤬

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:50 - Dec 7 with 1908 viewsSteve_M

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:48 - Dec 7 by Ryorry

Only had time to skim the article (thanks for posting it) but I imagine they'd be just the sort T.rump would be looking for votes from if he runs in '24 🤬


The main point really is that it's Tucker Carlson with his large audience on Fox driving a lot of this narrative both within the Republican Party and outside it.

The other sources are the kind of thing Paz and CIL used to regurgitate on here, nonsense but with a far more limited reach.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:10 - Dec 7 with 1858 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:39 - Dec 7 by Steve_M

Oh look at this coincidence:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/06/us-conservatives-pushing-russian-s


And this one:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63871767.amp

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:12 - Dec 7 with 1862 viewsBlueBadger

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 13:50 - Dec 7 by Steve_M

The main point really is that it's Tucker Carlson with his large audience on Fox driving a lot of this narrative both within the Republican Party and outside it.

The other sources are the kind of thing Paz and CIL used to regurgitate on here, nonsense but with a far more limited reach.


Imagine being so low in the whole 'destabilise the West with propaganda' setup that you get landed with this place.

Not only is the reach of this place far less than say, Facebook, but Phil is much better at weeding out and banning these people than Zuckerberg.
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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:15 - Dec 7 with 1833 viewsRyorry

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:12 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger

Imagine being so low in the whole 'destabilise the West with propaganda' setup that you get landed with this place.

Not only is the reach of this place far less than say, Facebook, but Phil is much better at weeding out and banning these people than Zuckerberg.
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Tee hee. This place is The Graudian compared with fb as the Shun.
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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:18 - Dec 7 with 1760 viewsBlueBadger

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:15 - Dec 7 by Ryorry

Tee hee. This place is The Graudian compared with fb as the Shun.
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It's more like Around Anglia compared to Fox News.

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:20 - Dec 7 with 1751 viewsRyorry

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:18 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger

It's more like Around Anglia compared to Fox News.


I thought 'Around Anglia' (which I've never seen btw) were massive fannies of nudge?

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:25 - Dec 7 with 1736 viewsSwansea_Blue

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:20 - Dec 7 by Ryorry

I thought 'Around Anglia' (which I've never seen btw) were massive fannies of nudge?


Massive whats?

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The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:29 - Dec 7 with 1724 viewsGuthrum

The guardian's story on terrorists plotting on 14:20 - Dec 7 by Ryorry

I thought 'Around Anglia' (which I've never seen btw) were massive fannies of nudge?


Weren't "Massive Fannies Of Nudge" a thrash metal band in the 1980s?

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