| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? 09:28 - Dec 12 with 3477 views | DJR |
Looking at the incident on the full match highlights, it is clear that Burns is in an offside position when the shot is made, but the ball doesn't reach him and the ball comes of the keeper back to Burns.
Does that not mean it is a separate passage of play to the shot, with the result that Burns is not offside.? Or does the fact that Burns has strayed into an offside position mean he is interfering with play when the shot is made despite the shot never reaching him?
Probably a question for someone who referees or is a linesman, and who knows the rules.
[Post edited 12 Dec 2022 9:53]
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:32 - Dec 12 with 3428 views | Scuzzer |
Didnt think it was offside at the time so I would agree with your summation. |  |
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:32 - Dec 12 with 3432 views | homer_123 |
Def offside for Burns, no issues at all with that call. Clearly he comes into the passage of play. |  |
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:43 - Dec 12 with 3336 views | JakeITFC |
Burns is offside when the shot is taken, and then it looked to me as though it was him who prodded it to Ladapo before he scored (so rightly flagged). |  | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:56 - Dec 12 with 3261 views | DJR |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:43 - Dec 12 by JakeITFC |
Burns is offside when the shot is taken, and then it looked to me as though it was him who prodded it to Ladapo before he scored (so rightly flagged). |
He did prod it to Ladapo but the ball came back to him off the keeper, so it was that which made me think he wasn't offside because the ball came back to him. But again, I don't know the rules well enough.. | | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:58 - Dec 12 with 3236 views | PhilTWTD |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:56 - Dec 12 by DJR |
He did prod it to Ladapo but the ball came back to him off the keeper, so it was that which made me think he wasn't offside because the ball came back to him. But again, I don't know the rules well enough.. |
If he was in an offside position when Edwards shot he's offside when the rebound comes to him off the keeper. |  | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:59 - Dec 12 with 3217 views | RobTheMonk |
I thought Burns was offside and knocked it to Ladopo. |  | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:02 - Dec 12 with 3197 views | usm |
Def offside
Its like a rebound off a keeper where someone scores from an offside position despite the ball coming to him off the keeper |  |
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:05 - Dec 12 with 3164 views | DJR |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:58 - Dec 12 by PhilTWTD |
If he was in an offside position when Edwards shot he's offside when the rebound comes to him off the keeper. |
That's good enough for me. | | | |
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:17 - Dec 12 with 3091 views | ArnieM |
Someone watching it on ifollow told me it was disallowed because the goalkeeper was impeded and lost possession of the ball because if it. Load I bollox as far I’m concerned. Crap officials once again at PR. |  |
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:28 - Dec 12 with 3012 views | DJR |
I've tracked down the offside rule (rule 11), and think it is caught by the following.
"A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
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gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent, [or]
been deliberately saved by any opponent." | | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:32 - Dec 12 with 2974 views | itfc48 |
Yep definitely offside. The offside rule does get a bit murky when it's a through ball and the defender plays at the ball. I think Mings got caught out by it a season or two back. [Post edited 12 Dec 2022 10:33]
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:40 - Dec 12 with 2897 views | PhilTWTD |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:05 - Dec 12 by DJR |
That's good enough for me. |
And as per your other post, the flag goes up once he's touched the ball. If Ladapo had put it in without Burns touching it then it would have counted regardless of whether WB was in an offside position. | | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 11:25 - Dec 12 with 2716 views | BlueStreak |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:40 - Dec 12 by PhilTWTD |
And as per your other post, the flag goes up once he's touched the ball. If Ladapo had put it in without Burns touching it then it would have counted regardless of whether WB was in an offside position. |
Agreed. I was inline with this as WB was absolutely miles offside when KE got his shot away. Probably the easiest decision of the day for the officials. |  | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 11:28 - Dec 12 with 2685 views | PhilTWTD |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 11:25 - Dec 12 by BlueStreak |
Agreed. I was inline with this as WB was absolutely miles offside when KE got his shot away. Probably the easiest decision of the day for the officials. |
I couldn't see that Burns got a touch from my angle as there were players in the way, but from the footage that was clearly what happened. | | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 11:41 - Dec 12 with 2590 views | Wickets |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 09:58 - Dec 12 by PhilTWTD |
If he was in an offside position when Edwards shot he's offside when the rebound comes to him off the keeper. |
Not saying you are wrong Phil and that is the usual call but i think VAR in the Premier has on a couple of times allowed goals like this to stand ? Saying in the first phase of play Burns not involved and not in the keepers eye line and second phase the ball coming back from the keeper so not offside . Just another example of how complicated the offside law has become . Does anyone really understand it any more . |  | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 14:30 - Dec 12 with 2259 views | DJR |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 10:40 - Dec 12 by PhilTWTD |
And as per your other post, the flag goes up once he's touched the ball. If Ladapo had put it in without Burns touching it then it would have counted regardless of whether WB was in an offside position. |
Yes, that's the conclusion I drew too, Phil. Indeed, it struck me that Burns didn't need to touch the ball at all.
Just as well we didn't need that extra goal, but it made for a tense finish. | | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 14:50 - Dec 12 with 2208 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 11:41 - Dec 12 by Wickets |
Not saying you are wrong Phil and that is the usual call but i think VAR in the Premier has on a couple of times allowed goals like this to stand ? Saying in the first phase of play Burns not involved and not in the keepers eye line and second phase the ball coming back from the keeper so not offside . Just another example of how complicated the offside law has become . Does anyone really understand it any more . |
a rebound off a keeper is still classed as Phase 1 isn't it? it's only a 2nd phase once a another player touches the ball. |  |
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 14:56 - Dec 12 with 2189 views | DJR |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 11:41 - Dec 12 by Wickets |
Not saying you are wrong Phil and that is the usual call but i think VAR in the Premier has on a couple of times allowed goals like this to stand ? Saying in the first phase of play Burns not involved and not in the keepers eye line and second phase the ball coming back from the keeper so not offside . Just another example of how complicated the offside law has become . Does anyone really understand it any more . |
If you look at the the part of the offside rule I quoted above, it doesn't seem that a first phase and second phase comes into it, as I thought was the case when I posted the OP.
The rule seems to clearly deal with a Burns' case, and treats it as offside.
Of course, that's not to say that VAR has always got it right. | | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 18:40 - Dec 12 with 1942 views | Wickets |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 14:56 - Dec 12 by DJR |
If you look at the the part of the offside rule I quoted above, it doesn't seem that a first phase and second phase comes into it, as I thought was the case when I posted the OP.
The rule seems to clearly deal with a Burns' case, and treats it as offside.
Of course, that's not to say that VAR has always got it right. |
Yes i completely agree but there have , i am pretty sure been cases like this where the goal has been allowed to stand , that is all i am saying . Add to this i feel the offside rule has been made difficult to understand in recent year's . One or two managers on inteveiw after matches have made this point . | | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 19:19 - Dec 12 with 1851 views | DinDjarin |
Cannot believe we are even discussing if burns was offside or not
He was 2 yards off from Edwards shot so 100% offside when he touched the ball as it came back off the keeper.
I actually thought burns put it in and if he had left it Ldapo who was not offside had a tap in. Did ldapo even touch the ball? |  | | |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 21:03 - Dec 12 with 1719 views | ArnieM |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 19:19 - Dec 12 by DinDjarin |
Cannot believe we are even discussing if burns was offside or not
He was 2 yards off from Edwards shot so 100% offside when he touched the ball as it came back off the keeper.
I actually thought burns put it in and if he had left it Ldapo who was not offside had a tap in. Did ldapo even touch the ball? |
I thought he ( Ladapo), back heeled it in . | |
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| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 21:20 - Dec 12 with 1652 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Was Freddie's disallowed goal offside? on 21:03 - Dec 12 by ArnieM |
I thought he ( Ladapo), back heeled it in . |
Ladapo did score it. | |
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