| The problem is our shape 11:59 - Dec 30 with 2649 views | itfc_bucks |
For all our talent in the squad, we are rigidly adhering to the same shape, even when we make substitutions.
We need to move things around a bit and maybe look at a more orthodox style of 433 or possibly even a 442.
Possession is great, but we need to be more creative than we are being. |  | | |  |
| The problem is our shape on 12:04 - Dec 30 with 2612 views | 44_not_out |
I’m sure Kieran appreciates your expert input. | | | |
| The problem is our shape on 12:08 - Dec 30 with 2583 views | itfc_bucks |
| The problem is our shape on 12:04 - Dec 30 by 44_not_out |
I’m sure Kieran appreciates your expert input. |
You know what this sort of site is for yeah?
Are you new here? | | | |
| The problem is our shape on 12:12 - Dec 30 with 2547 views | FrimleyBlue |
Agree
I still firmly believe in the games when teams sit deep, we need Ahadme alongside Ladapo. getting balls floated into the box |  |
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| The problem is our shape on 12:16 - Dec 30 with 2520 views | Stewart27 |
| The problem is our shape on 12:12 - Dec 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Agree
I still firmly believe in the games when teams sit deep, we need Ahadme alongside Ladapo. getting balls floated into the box |
We scored 2 goals last night.
Our vulnerability at the back is the concern here. | | | |
| The problem is our shape on 12:18 - Dec 30 with 2495 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The problem is our shape on 12:16 - Dec 30 by Stewart27 |
We scored 2 goals last night.
Our vulnerability at the back is the concern here. |
It's not. If your happy to say we scored 2 goals so there isn't a problem then you also have to acknowledge we conceded a class freekick. So in effect we conceded 1 goal from play which isn't bad away from home against pompy. | |
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| The problem is our shape on 12:28 - Dec 30 with 2467 views | Stewart27 |
| The problem is our shape on 12:18 - Dec 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not. If your happy to say we scored 2 goals so there isn't a problem then you also have to acknowledge we conceded a class freekick. So in effect we conceded 1 goal from play which isn't bad away from home against pompy. |
We conceded 2 goals.
Scoring 2 isn’t bad away from home against Pompey. | | | |
| The problem is our shape on 12:29 - Dec 30 with 2461 views | southnorfolkblue |
| The problem is our shape on 12:18 - Dec 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not. If your happy to say we scored 2 goals so there isn't a problem then you also have to acknowledge we conceded a class freekick. So in effect we conceded 1 goal from play which isn't bad away from home against pompy. |
We have a weakness defending far post balls on our left because Davis isn’t the tallest. He was never going to win that header against Raggett. Given everything else that he brings Im not sure that a change in formation is justified. We had enough of the ball to have scored the extra goal that we needed. | |
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| The problem is our shape on 12:32 - Dec 30 with 2435 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The problem is our shape on 12:29 - Dec 30 by southnorfolkblue |
We have a weakness defending far post balls on our left because Davis isn’t the tallest. He was never going to win that header against Raggett. Given everything else that he brings Im not sure that a change in formation is justified. We had enough of the ball to have scored the extra goal that we needed. |
Ragett would have out jumped anyone at that point, he had the natural run and jump option to him against a defender moving backwards.
What we need to do more as KM said Is stop the crosses going in.. to many times we allow balls into the box. Its got to stop. Donacien and burns have to do better on that side. | |
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| The problem is our shape on 14:02 - Dec 30 with 2309 views | bournemouthblue |
| The problem is our shape on 12:29 - Dec 30 by southnorfolkblue |
We have a weakness defending far post balls on our left because Davis isn’t the tallest. He was never going to win that header against Raggett. Given everything else that he brings Im not sure that a change in formation is justified. We had enough of the ball to have scored the extra goal that we needed. |
Two of the goals against Charlton came from the other side, headed back across from the right?
It's clearly a vulnerability in the system we play [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 14:04]
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| The problem is our shape on 14:14 - Dec 30 with 2221 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Just play 4-2-3-1, its the formation that suits this squad best.
Problem solved.
Walton
KVY Woolf Burgess Leif
Evans Morsy
Burns Chaplin Harness
Ladapo |  |
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| The problem is our shape on 14:20 - Dec 30 with 2193 views | Whos_blue |
| The problem is our shape on 14:14 - Dec 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
Just play 4-2-3-1, its the formation that suits this squad best.
Problem solved.
Walton
KVY Woolf Burgess Leif
Evans Morsy
Burns Chaplin Harness
Ladapo |
Whoa there Nellie!
You're dropping JD?
Big call that. |  |
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| The problem is our shape on 14:25 - Dec 30 with 2170 views | bournemouthblue |
| The problem is our shape on 14:14 - Dec 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
Just play 4-2-3-1, its the formation that suits this squad best.
Problem solved.
Walton
KVY Woolf Burgess Leif
Evans Morsy
Burns Chaplin Harness
Ladapo |
We have played it on the odd occasion?
It's a bit more of a teenties formation, it was cutting edge about 5 - 10 years ago but things have moved on with the ball playing centre backs and overlapping centre backs etc? | |
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| The problem is our shape on 14:26 - Dec 30 with 2165 views | bluefunk |
| The problem is our shape on 14:14 - Dec 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
Just play 4-2-3-1, its the formation that suits this squad best.
Problem solved.
Walton
KVY Woolf Burgess Leif
Evans Morsy
Burns Chaplin Harness
Ladapo |
We’ve been playing that basic formation virtually all season.
In play it’s not symmetrical, as we push Davis on more than JD, so it looks like a back 3 sometimes, but it’s essentially a 4231 |  | | |
| The problem is our shape on 14:32 - Dec 30 with 2119 views | ITFC_Josh |
| The problem is our shape on 14:14 - Dec 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
Just play 4-2-3-1, its the formation that suits this squad best.
Problem solved.
Walton
KVY Woolf Burgess Leif
Evans Morsy
Burns Chaplin Harness
Ladapo |
We literally play 4-2-3-1!! 🤣 |  | | |
| The problem is our shape on 14:33 - Dec 30 with 2111 views | bournemouthblue |
| The problem is our shape on 14:26 - Dec 30 by bluefunk |
We’ve been playing that basic formation virtually all season.
In play it’s not symmetrical, as we push Davis on more than JD, so it looks like a back 3 sometimes, but it’s essentially a 4231 |
It's a bit more flexible, evolving depending on the phase of play
The 2 number 10's are a bit more unusual, compared to your floating 10
It allows the wing backs to make the pitch wider I guess | |
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| The problem is our shape on 14:35 - Dec 30 with 2103 views | keighleyblue |
This is incorrect on so many levels. Oppo managers say repeatedly that the variations that we deploy in our shape is very difficult to plan for, or play against. |  | | |
| The problem is our shape on 15:28 - Dec 30 with 2034 views | SheffordBlue |
| The problem is our shape on 14:32 - Dec 30 by ITFC_Josh |
We literally play 4-2-3-1!! 🤣 |
I'd agree that's pretty much how we set up but if you look at the average position of each player (the SofaScore app lets you see this quite easily) for most of the games it ends being pretty much a 2 4-4 ! Both JD and Davis spend so much time in advanced positions at the halfway line. | |
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| The problem is our shape on 15:33 - Dec 30 with 2000 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The problem is our shape on 15:28 - Dec 30 by SheffordBlue |
I'd agree that's pretty much how we set up but if you look at the average position of each player (the SofaScore app lets you see this quite easily) for most of the games it ends being pretty much a 2 4-4 ! Both JD and Davis spend so much time in advanced positions at the halfway line. |
Did anyone notice yesterday tho how deep morsy dropped for the ball.
Alot of the first half he was next to wolfy and Burgess. Never seen him drop so deep. | |
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| The problem is our shape on 15:37 - Dec 30 with 1990 views | 44_not_out |
| The problem is our shape on 12:08 - Dec 30 by itfc_bucks |
You know what this sort of site is for yeah?
Are you new here? |
Someone recommended it to me…… they said it’s where the bedwetters hang out. | | | |
| The problem is our shape on 15:56 - Dec 30 with 1906 views | PhilTWTD |
| The problem is our shape on 14:26 - Dec 30 by bluefunk |
We’ve been playing that basic formation virtually all season.
In play it’s not symmetrical, as we push Davis on more than JD, so it looks like a back 3 sometimes, but it’s essentially a 4231 |
Indeed, it's asymmetrical, JD as somewhere between a right centre-half and right-back. Burns has tended to start more advanced this season than last as more winger than wing-back, but JD certainly hasn't been a right-sided equivalent of Leif Davis.
It was interesting to hear someone say they'd matched our three at the back the other day, so the system is viewed that way by some opposition managers.
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| The problem is our shape on 15:57 - Dec 30 with 1882 views | itfc_bucks |
| The problem is our shape on 15:37 - Dec 30 by 44_not_out |
Someone recommended it to me…… they said it’s where the bedwetters hang out. |
Ahhh, you want the news comments section.
Cheerio. | | | |
| The problem is our shape on 16:09 - Dec 30 with 1825 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| The problem is our shape on 14:25 - Dec 30 by bournemouthblue |
We have played it on the odd occasion?
It's a bit more of a teenties formation, it was cutting edge about 5 - 10 years ago but things have moved on with the ball playing centre backs and overlapping centre backs etc? |
Allows the full backs to push on when in possession, one at a time, back four becomes a back three. Just think it'd suit our personnel. | |
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| The problem is our shape on 16:11 - Dec 30 with 1819 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| The problem is our shape on 14:32 - Dec 30 by ITFC_Josh |
We literally play 4-2-3-1!! 🤣 |
Exactly, although not so much of late.
Suits us best, although I'd drop JD and encourage both full backs to almost becoming overlapping wingers at times. | |
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| The problem is our shape on 17:37 - Dec 30 with 1696 views | BarcaBlue |
| The problem is our shape on 16:11 - Dec 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
Exactly, although not so much of late.
Suits us best, although I'd drop JD and encourage both full backs to almost becoming overlapping wingers at times. |
We play 4-2-3-1 every match, literally. |  | | |
| The problem is our shape on 18:50 - Dec 30 with 1609 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| The problem is our shape on 17:37 - Dec 30 by BarcaBlue |
We play 4-2-3-1 every match, literally. |
Not really, it’s more three at the back. | |
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