| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves 13:43 - Feb 17 with 2655 views | Asa |
Let's be honest. Whilst the dominance in our performance have dropped with teams taking up a similar approach against us and results have been poor, which games in this sticky spell have we come away from where it's been all on McKenna's shoulders?
Wycombe defeat - 71% possession and 20 shots to 7. They score with their only proper chance because three players let one man walk through them all.
Oxford defeat - 57% possession and 17 shots to 13. Absurd conditions aside. They score a goal, as well, when a player walks through our defence when he has no right too.
Plymouth draw - 50% possession each and 12 shots to their 10. Last minute deflected equaliser conceded.
Cambridge draw - 73% possession and 15 shots to 6. They scored a 30 yard screamer following some poor defending.
Wednesday draw - 57% possession and 12 shots to 8.
Have the performances been poorer? Absolutely. But even if this bad run we have dominated the ball, the chances on target and the big chances.
McKenna can only set us up to win. If we were losing games I'd be inclined to give him more heat. If we were being outplayed then similarly so. But we aren't. We haven't really deserved to win at Lincoln or Portsmouth but I don't see that as McKenna not setting us up to succeed. He's not conceding penalties, letting players walk past him, crossing the ball to the first defender or missing routine chances.
I get the rotation argument. But as I said the other day, who has made themselves undroppable. The defence make simple errors, not tactical ones, but individual ones. The midfield is flogged to death through a lack of reinforcements and the strikers have been patchy. Some of the players who have been signed for big money have carried a knock or two.
McKenna is setting us up to win and I really feel it's the players who are letting him down badly. Is the best way to get us going again to try something that may or may not work or keep the faith believing it will click again? I can't see much different I'd do to McKenna.
You can argue we should have improved the defence or midfield. Maybe it was forseeable Evans and / or Luongo would have some issues. Blame may well lay there, but could equally be with Ashton - who on the face of it has given McKenna what he wants - we don't know. But I'll assume McKenna was, as he said, happy with the options and we have just been unfortunate rather than negligent.
For all the potential reasons for this slump, it seems odd so much talk is on McKenna and so little on the players themselves. Who was the last player to have two or three good games back to back?
Even our best players can barely string two good performances together in a system they know, with a job they know and with the ability to do it.
It is McKenna's job though to lift these players and get a tune out of them. That will be the fascinating part because, Morecambe aside, the energy seems to get sucked out of us after 10 or 15 minutes if we are not totally on top. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 13:52]
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 13:56 - Feb 17 with 2254 views | FrimleyBlue |
All managers set the sides up to win.
You have some great points. Others you can only wish you could ask KM questions about.
For example.. the use of the cup games and not using some as opportunities to rest players.
Who's decision was it to play Ball when he was carrying an injury from the previous game.
Which surprised me again that we took the risk with broadhead Tues. If he's not fit enough to start and has a tight hamstring. Why bring him on at all.. be interesting to see if he plays this Sat or if the minutes Tues have done more damage.
But also. I agree the players have let themselves to. The manager can't score the goals for you and he can't stop them from going in. However regarding goals going in. We have a keeper who's shot/save ratio one of the lowest in the league but picked every week.. is that now not a questionable decision?
End of the day. It always falls down to the manager. It's just how it is. If it's not working why not. Good stats are great. But if the end result isn't going enough then still not working.
Look at our Jan window. Opportunity to help the side.
We bring in player who prefers being high and wide. Being developed into a fullback
A striker who loves to play on the shoulder of defenders. Being developed into a 10 and have to be careful of his minutes.
Another striker who's on loan, not fit and hasn't scored since last season ( think that's right ) ..
And a midfielder who either was brought in. Ignored or literally injured since signing...
So he spent £3 mill in the window plus champ wages on hirst and we aren't stronger than we were before the window.
Where as Plymough actually go out and bring in players who compliment their squad and made sure they remain strong despite losing their inform forward. |  |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:09 - Feb 17 with 2200 views | StokieBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 13:56 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
All managers set the sides up to win.
You have some great points. Others you can only wish you could ask KM questions about.
For example.. the use of the cup games and not using some as opportunities to rest players.
Who's decision was it to play Ball when he was carrying an injury from the previous game.
Which surprised me again that we took the risk with broadhead Tues. If he's not fit enough to start and has a tight hamstring. Why bring him on at all.. be interesting to see if he plays this Sat or if the minutes Tues have done more damage.
But also. I agree the players have let themselves to. The manager can't score the goals for you and he can't stop them from going in. However regarding goals going in. We have a keeper who's shot/save ratio one of the lowest in the league but picked every week.. is that now not a questionable decision?
End of the day. It always falls down to the manager. It's just how it is. If it's not working why not. Good stats are great. But if the end result isn't going enough then still not working.
Look at our Jan window. Opportunity to help the side.
We bring in player who prefers being high and wide. Being developed into a fullback
A striker who loves to play on the shoulder of defenders. Being developed into a 10 and have to be careful of his minutes.
Another striker who's on loan, not fit and hasn't scored since last season ( think that's right ) ..
And a midfielder who either was brought in. Ignored or literally injured since signing...
So he spent £3 mill in the window plus champ wages on hirst and we aren't stronger than we were before the window.
Where as Plymough actually go out and bring in players who compliment their squad and made sure they remain strong despite losing their inform forward. |
"So he spent £3 mill in the window plus champ wages on hirst and we aren't stronger than we were before the window."
Um, what?
"We bring in player who prefers being high and wide. Being developed into a fullback"
Um, what?
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:14 - Feb 17 with 2153 views | Fixed_It |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:09 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
"So he spent £3 mill in the window plus champ wages on hirst and we aren't stronger than we were before the window."
Um, what?
"We bring in player who prefers being high and wide. Being developed into a fullback"
Um, what?
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Good questions SB. Who knows? |  |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:25 - Feb 17 with 2094 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:09 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
"So he spent £3 mill in the window plus champ wages on hirst and we aren't stronger than we were before the window."
Um, what?
"We bring in player who prefers being high and wide. Being developed into a fullback"
Um, what?
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Not sure why it's difficult for you as I've clearly given reasons for these. But anyway here we go.
Point 1
Luongo. Not seen
Broadhead. Has to be managed. Playing out of position.
Hirst. Unfit. Hasn't improved us imo. Might do. But haven't seen anything yet to think he will.
So no I don't feel we can say our team is stronger than before the window. Our points total in 23 doesn't shout out stronger either.
Point 2
Clarke. Came to us and he said specifically hes used to playing the Burns role. KM said he's found a role he'd like to develop him in. So far it's been RB and Tues was LB.
So there's your answers SB. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:32 - Feb 17 with 2045 views | Bobbychase |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:25 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Not sure why it's difficult for you as I've clearly given reasons for these. But anyway here we go.
Point 1
Luongo. Not seen
Broadhead. Has to be managed. Playing out of position.
Hirst. Unfit. Hasn't improved us imo. Might do. But haven't seen anything yet to think he will.
So no I don't feel we can say our team is stronger than before the window. Our points total in 23 doesn't shout out stronger either.
Point 2
Clarke. Came to us and he said specifically hes used to playing the Burns role. KM said he's found a role he'd like to develop him in. So far it's been RB and Tues was LB.
So there's your answers SB. |
It's very early days to judge any of them but Broadhead looks a significant upgrade on first viewing. Clarke, hard to tell, was poor at Cambridge. |  |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:36 - Feb 17 with 1994 views | StokieBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:25 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Not sure why it's difficult for you as I've clearly given reasons for these. But anyway here we go.
Point 1
Luongo. Not seen
Broadhead. Has to be managed. Playing out of position.
Hirst. Unfit. Hasn't improved us imo. Might do. But haven't seen anything yet to think he will.
So no I don't feel we can say our team is stronger than before the window. Our points total in 23 doesn't shout out stronger either.
Point 2
Clarke. Came to us and he said specifically hes used to playing the Burns role. KM said he's found a role he'd like to develop him in. So far it's been RB and Tues was LB.
So there's your answers SB. |
It's difficult for me because both things are once again hugely disingenuous and designed to fit your twisted narratives.
Point 1 - You've moved the goalposts and said "team is stronger". You didn't say this before and the implication was that the squad wasn't stronger which it clearly is. I also think the team is stronger - Broadhead is an upgrade on Harness for instance. Citing points tallies immediately after players join is highly selective and designed to support your narrative - it takes time for players to gel.
Point 2 - This is on par with your "Davis is really a CB" which was easily proven to be rubbish. Clarke has played further forward when younger but for he's played CB or RB for Arsenal, Hibs and Stoke. Please provide the exact quote where he said he's played further forward more frequently than in defence.
It simply looks like you're just trying to find things to beat up McKenna with.
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:37 - Feb 17 with 1986 views | BiGDonnie |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 13:56 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
All managers set the sides up to win.
You have some great points. Others you can only wish you could ask KM questions about.
For example.. the use of the cup games and not using some as opportunities to rest players.
Who's decision was it to play Ball when he was carrying an injury from the previous game.
Which surprised me again that we took the risk with broadhead Tues. If he's not fit enough to start and has a tight hamstring. Why bring him on at all.. be interesting to see if he plays this Sat or if the minutes Tues have done more damage.
But also. I agree the players have let themselves to. The manager can't score the goals for you and he can't stop them from going in. However regarding goals going in. We have a keeper who's shot/save ratio one of the lowest in the league but picked every week.. is that now not a questionable decision?
End of the day. It always falls down to the manager. It's just how it is. If it's not working why not. Good stats are great. But if the end result isn't going enough then still not working.
Look at our Jan window. Opportunity to help the side.
We bring in player who prefers being high and wide. Being developed into a fullback
A striker who loves to play on the shoulder of defenders. Being developed into a 10 and have to be careful of his minutes.
Another striker who's on loan, not fit and hasn't scored since last season ( think that's right ) ..
And a midfielder who either was brought in. Ignored or literally injured since signing...
So he spent £3 mill in the window plus champ wages on hirst and we aren't stronger than we were before the window.
Where as Plymough actually go out and bring in players who compliment their squad and made sure they remain strong despite losing their inform forward. |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:38 - Feb 17 with 1970 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:32 - Feb 17 by Bobbychase |
It's very early days to judge any of them but Broadhead looks a significant upgrade on first viewing. Clarke, hard to tell, was poor at Cambridge. |
Broadhead should be. But straight away we've seen the injury concerns fans of his previous clubs warned of.
Following Kenos post earlier. It's nice to see some long term planning. However I'd have preferred to see the squad made stronger for this part of the season asmuch as for the future and I don't think we did that. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:42 - Feb 17 with 1946 views | Slimitfc91 |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:38 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Broadhead should be. But straight away we've seen the injury concerns fans of his previous clubs warned of.
Following Kenos post earlier. It's nice to see some long term planning. However I'd have preferred to see the squad made stronger for this part of the season asmuch as for the future and I don't think we did that. |
You don’t think Clarke is an upgrade on Donacien ? | | | |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:42 - Feb 17 with 1945 views | BiGDonnie |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:36 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
It's difficult for me because both things are once again hugely disingenuous and designed to fit your twisted narratives.
Point 1 - You've moved the goalposts and said "team is stronger". You didn't say this before and the implication was that the squad wasn't stronger which it clearly is. I also think the team is stronger - Broadhead is an upgrade on Harness for instance. Citing points tallies immediately after players join is highly selective and designed to support your narrative - it takes time for players to gel.
Point 2 - This is on par with your "Davis is really a CB" which was easily proven to be rubbish. Clarke has played further forward when younger but for he's played CB or RB for Arsenal, Hibs and Stoke. Please provide the exact quote where he said he's played further forward more frequently than in defence.
It simply looks like you're just trying to find things to beat up McKenna with.
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None of the new signings scored a hatty on the debut and that just isn't good enough for Dimley. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:47 - Feb 17 with 1879 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:36 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
It's difficult for me because both things are once again hugely disingenuous and designed to fit your twisted narratives.
Point 1 - You've moved the goalposts and said "team is stronger". You didn't say this before and the implication was that the squad wasn't stronger which it clearly is. I also think the team is stronger - Broadhead is an upgrade on Harness for instance. Citing points tallies immediately after players join is highly selective and designed to support your narrative - it takes time for players to gel.
Point 2 - This is on par with your "Davis is really a CB" which was easily proven to be rubbish. Clarke has played further forward when younger but for he's played CB or RB for Arsenal, Hibs and Stoke. Please provide the exact quote where he said he's played further forward more frequently than in defence.
It simply looks like you're just trying to find things to beat up McKenna with.
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What are you on about. Oh I know. Your usual tricks.
" we aren't stronger" that's talking about the team. Who else is we?
"At Stoke I was playing right wing-back and a lot of that is playing with back to goal and getting it on the last line, sort of like Wes does"
That's his debut speech.
Imo. If you're bringing in a player who has played the season in the league above. You play him in the role he's been accustomed to this season.
Obviously that's my opinion. Yours will be different. You'll rip the thoughts apart to make it fit your way and be your usual pedantic self. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 14:51]
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:47 - Feb 17 with 1879 views | Swansea_Blue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:25 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Not sure why it's difficult for you as I've clearly given reasons for these. But anyway here we go.
Point 1
Luongo. Not seen
Broadhead. Has to be managed. Playing out of position.
Hirst. Unfit. Hasn't improved us imo. Might do. But haven't seen anything yet to think he will.
So no I don't feel we can say our team is stronger than before the window. Our points total in 23 doesn't shout out stronger either.
Point 2
Clarke. Came to us and he said specifically hes used to playing the Burns role. KM said he's found a role he'd like to develop him in. So far it's been RB and Tues was LB.
So there's your answers SB. |
Of course it's stronger. Broadhead and Hirst are the equal of anything we had before, Broadhead looks an improvement. Clarke one for the future and also the equal of what we had before. Luongo's carrying a knock, but surely you can see how he'll help given how we've one fit senior CM. |  |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:50 - Feb 17 with 1831 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:42 - Feb 17 by Slimitfc91 |
You don’t think Clarke is an upgrade on Donacien ? |
As discussed after his debut. Going forwards he was great. Definitely didn't have a lot to do so couldn't comment on that side at the time.
Since then he's not been overly impressive defensively no.
So at present it's not an upgrade.
In future it could be. But for me. Signings in Jan should improve you for the immediate months ahead not the following season for example.
But I'd really like to see Clarke in the Burns role. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 15:32]
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:53 - Feb 17 with 1808 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:47 - Feb 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Of course it's stronger. Broadhead and Hirst are the equal of anything we had before, Broadhead looks an improvement. Clarke one for the future and also the equal of what we had before. Luongo's carrying a knock, but surely you can see how he'll help given how we've one fit senior CM. |
When he can help of course. I'd been calling for him to be on the bench at least. But his injuries so far haven't helped us so it can't be said yet that he's improved the team. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:54 - Feb 17 with 1803 views | Swansea_Blue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:53 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
When he can help of course. I'd been calling for him to be on the bench at least. But his injuries so far haven't helped us so it can't be said yet that he's improved the team. |
Not an ideal start of course, but there's plenty of the season left where hopefully he'll contribute | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:55 - Feb 17 with 1792 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:42 - Feb 17 by BiGDonnie |
None of the new signings scored a hatty on the debut and that just isn't good enough for Dimley. |
No no. I loved the look of broadhead. If we can get him fit then yes he may help to improve us.
But we need him fit.
Not something I thought we would be saying after a Jan window signing. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:55 - Feb 17 with 1788 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:54 - Feb 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Not an ideal start of course, but there's plenty of the season left where hopefully he'll contribute |
Absolutely. I hope they all can. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:01 - Feb 17 with 1768 views | StokieBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:47 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
What are you on about. Oh I know. Your usual tricks.
" we aren't stronger" that's talking about the team. Who else is we?
"At Stoke I was playing right wing-back and a lot of that is playing with back to goal and getting it on the last line, sort of like Wes does"
That's his debut speech.
Imo. If you're bringing in a player who has played the season in the league above. You play him in the role he's been accustomed to this season.
Obviously that's my opinion. Yours will be different. You'll rip the thoughts apart to make it fit your way and be your usual pedantic self. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 14:51]
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"Usual tricks"?
Can you please stop lying. I wasn't the one having posts deleted by admin on Tuesday night for trying to wind people up.
The squad is clearly stronger and purchases are made to improve the squad and the team. Saying we haven't improved the squad is utter nonsense.
You said he "preferred" playing higher and wider. Nothing in that quote backs that up and historically he has played in defence. You've changed the meaning to have a pop at McKenna.
So I stand by my initial post, both your points were hugely disingenuous.
Being pedantic isn't the insult you think it is, it's far better than pouring every thought that comes into your head onto the forum and then having to make stuff up to justify it when people point out that it's nonsense.
You keep it up though, enjoy the rest of your day on here.
SB [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 15:02]
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:07 - Feb 17 with 1712 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:01 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
"Usual tricks"?
Can you please stop lying. I wasn't the one having posts deleted by admin on Tuesday night for trying to wind people up.
The squad is clearly stronger and purchases are made to improve the squad and the team. Saying we haven't improved the squad is utter nonsense.
You said he "preferred" playing higher and wider. Nothing in that quote backs that up and historically he has played in defence. You've changed the meaning to have a pop at McKenna.
So I stand by my initial post, both your points were hugely disingenuous.
Being pedantic isn't the insult you think it is, it's far better than pouring every thought that comes into your head onto the forum and then having to make stuff up to justify it when people point out that it's nonsense.
You keep it up though, enjoy the rest of your day on here.
SB [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 15:02]
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Your opinion is its better. Mine is it's not. It's not nonsense it's a different of opinion. I'm not claiming your opinion Is nonsense. However I don't wish to be personal to posters online. You like those games I don't.
Now for the 1000th time can you stop replying to my posts. Otherwise I'll have to ask the owners to talk to you. Like you did.
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:10 - Feb 17 with 1697 views | pointofblue |
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I wish we had spent money on a fit central midfielder and possibly left sided centre back rather than Hirst or Luongo. Luongo has just joined Ball, Camara and Evans on the treatment table whilst Hirst is an unnecessary addition up top. People say he hasn't had time, but Broadhead as had a similar period at the club and already had greater impact being played slightly out of position. Clarke is also great for the future but, after an electric start against Morecambe, our defence was a shambles against Cambridge and the first half against Wednesday - I think he had a great part to play in that.
We could have had Ladapo and Broadhead covering each over in the striker position, a match fit central midfielder and a left sided centre back through the door. As it is we're very light in the middle and, to an extent, we brought it on ourselves. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:18 - Feb 17 with 1638 views | StokieBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:07 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Your opinion is its better. Mine is it's not. It's not nonsense it's a different of opinion. I'm not claiming your opinion Is nonsense. However I don't wish to be personal to posters online. You like those games I don't.
Now for the 1000th time can you stop replying to my posts. Otherwise I'll have to ask the owners to talk to you. Like you did.
Have a good evening. |
Feel free to speak to admin, I'm sure they would love to hear your thoughts.
I'm politely "using the forum as intended". Given that virtually all the posts on the forum are yours it seems ridiculous to not be able to reply to them.
You made stuff up in your post with regards to Clarke and then you posted a quote yourself that showed you had made stuff up.
It's not my problem you make stuff up, if you don't want people to challenge you I suggest you stop doing it.
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:27 - Feb 17 with 1571 views | Slimitfc91 |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 14:50 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
As discussed after his debut. Going forwards he was great. Definitely didn't have a lot to do so couldn't comment on that side at the time.
Since then he's not been overly impressive defensively no.
So at present it's not an upgrade.
In future it could be. But for me. Signings in Jan should improve you for the immediate months ahead not the following season for example.
But I'd really like to see Clarke in the Burns role. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 15:32]
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Oh yes you don’t rate Burns do you ?, wack a ball or some sort of rubbish like that | | | |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:32 - Feb 17 with 1537 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:27 - Feb 17 by Slimitfc91 |
Oh yes you don’t rate Burns do you ?, wack a ball or some sort of rubbish like that |
No I don't. | |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:40 - Feb 17 with 1476 views | Slimitfc91 |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:32 - Feb 17 by FrimleyBlue |
No I don't. |
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| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:58 - Feb 17 with 1379 views | pointofblue |
| For all the McKenna talk, very little on the players themselves on 15:27 - Feb 17 by Slimitfc91 |
Oh yes you don’t rate Burns do you ?, wack a ball or some sort of rubbish like that |
Burns at his best is one of our top players. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that enough this year. I see the logic in calling for Clarke to replace him at RWB but, at the same time, seem to recall Stoke fans saying he lacked an attacking verve to play in that position, albeit at a higher level. | |
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