| FM geeks 17:54 - Jun 28 with 3426 views | Hipsterectomy |
Did you see the news that FM24 will be the 'last' version of the current iteration?
FM25 is to use a whole new Unity engine as well as incorporate women's football fully.
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| FM geeks on 19:45 - Jun 28 with 3215 views | davblue |
I did read a lengthy blog, it’s very interesting. [Post edited 28 Jun 2023 21:38]
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| FM geeks on 20:11 - Jun 28 with 3146 views | DanTheMan |
Honestly you probably won't need to upgrade much, an engine switch doesn't mean a sudden need for more graphical power (unless they've done a shoddy job with Unity which a lot of Devs do).
Honestly probably a good idea from their point of view, custom game engines have gone out of fashion as the industry has matured and outside of the very biggest names everyone basically uses Unity or Unreal.
Look forward to seeing what they do, it does need a refresh. The match engine seems pretty stale these days and reading the blog you get the feeling they are struggling to make changes. |  |
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| FM geeks on 20:37 - Jun 28 with 3070 views | belgablue |
If it wasn't for Championship manager, as it was then known, I think every grade I received at A level and GSCE would have been at least one higher.
Bring back CM 01/02. |  |
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| FM geeks on 21:08 - Jun 28 with 3002 views | DanTheMan |
| FM geeks on 20:37 - Jun 28 by belgablue |
If it wasn't for Championship manager, as it was then known, I think every grade I received at A level and GSCE would have been at least one higher.
Bring back CM 01/02. |
CM01/02 is free to play now and there's a dedicated community that still updates it. | |
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| FM geeks on 22:26 - Jun 28 with 2810 views | MisterBlue |
still playing the original Kevin Toms Football Manager -
has most of our players from the early 80's and you won't need to upgrade your laptop 
https://footballstarmanager.com |  | | |
| FM geeks on 22:44 - Jun 28 with 2763 views | BondiBlue |
| FM geeks on 20:11 - Jun 28 by DanTheMan |
Honestly you probably won't need to upgrade much, an engine switch doesn't mean a sudden need for more graphical power (unless they've done a shoddy job with Unity which a lot of Devs do).
Honestly probably a good idea from their point of view, custom game engines have gone out of fashion as the industry has matured and outside of the very biggest names everyone basically uses Unity or Unreal.
Look forward to seeing what they do, it does need a refresh. The match engine seems pretty stale these days and reading the blog you get the feeling they are struggling to make changes. |
Not sure i'm ever going to move away from 2D classic view so i'm not particularly bothered. |  |
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| FM geeks on 01:08 - Jun 29 with 2664 views | wkj |
I have alpha tested for SI for a number of years. Nothing has been said officially but the feeling is they may be moving towards a "Game as a service" Model where you get regular updates but have to pay for season passes every year.
Changing the engine to Unity supports this theory as it has the tools to better facilitate 'GaaS'. |  |
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| FM geeks on 07:50 - Jun 29 with 2491 views | BondiBlue |
| FM geeks on 01:08 - Jun 29 by wkj |
I have alpha tested for SI for a number of years. Nothing has been said officially but the feeling is they may be moving towards a "Game as a service" Model where you get regular updates but have to pay for season passes every year.
Changing the engine to Unity supports this theory as it has the tools to better facilitate 'GaaS'. |
Season passes for the database updates? Or season passes for changes to the game? | |
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| FM geeks on 08:07 - Jun 29 with 2458 views | the_toff |
| FM geeks on 07:50 - Jun 29 by BondiBlue |
Season passes for the database updates? Or season passes for changes to the game? |
Hopefully not season passes within the game :) that might be prohibitive to replicating my epic 20 year Mansfield save where I won them the Champions league. I really should have a statue up there. | | | |
| FM geeks on 08:11 - Jun 29 with 2451 views | BondiBlue |
| FM geeks on 08:07 - Jun 29 by the_toff |
Hopefully not season passes within the game :) that might be prohibitive to replicating my epic 20 year Mansfield save where I won them the Champions league. I really should have a statue up there. |
It will surely be an opt-in thing. Keep the version/database you're on unless you choose not to.
Imagine if you could keep going woth your fm14 save but the game upgrades to the newest fm24 features. Could be good. | |
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| FM geeks on 08:24 - Jun 29 with 2426 views | DanTheMan |
| FM geeks on 08:11 - Jun 29 by BondiBlue |
It will surely be an opt-in thing. Keep the version/database you're on unless you choose not to.
Imagine if you could keep going woth your fm14 save but the game upgrades to the newest fm24 features. Could be good. |
They've said as part of FM24 they'll be making the saves backwards compatible so you can keep long saves going which is massive.
I think the game-as-a-service model probably works for FM. Instead of doing big bang releases every year you essentially just pay for Football Manager and they incrementally release changes as and when they are ready. Most people either now have it on Xbox Game Pass or will buy it every year. | |
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| FM geeks on 08:29 - Jun 29 with 2409 views | Herbivore |
| FM geeks on 20:37 - Jun 28 by belgablue |
If it wasn't for Championship manager, as it was then known, I think every grade I received at A level and GSCE would have been at least one higher.
Bring back CM 01/02. |
CM 01/02 remains the pinnacle of football management games. |  |
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| FM geeks on 08:35 - Jun 29 with 2395 views | blueasfook |
| FM geeks on 20:37 - Jun 28 by belgablue |
If it wasn't for Championship manager, as it was then known, I think every grade I received at A level and GSCE would have been at least one higher.
Bring back CM 01/02. |
CM 01/02 was the best. I remember getting a tool for it where you could "tweak" the player stats. I won so much stuff with Ipswich Town! Champions League 5 times in a row, premiership countless times, FA Cup, League Cup, everything. Got a bit boring though, winning games 6 or 7-0 all the time :/ |  |
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| FM geeks on 08:38 - Jun 29 with 2383 views | DanTheMan |
| FM geeks on 08:35 - Jun 29 by blueasfook |
CM 01/02 was the best. I remember getting a tool for it where you could "tweak" the player stats. I won so much stuff with Ipswich Town! Champions League 5 times in a row, premiership countless times, FA Cup, League Cup, everything. Got a bit boring though, winning games 6 or 7-0 all the time :/ |
My favourite thing was always hunting the regens down. Christian Vieri was always a doddle to find as you needed to look for someone who was Australian and Italian. | |
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| FM geeks on 08:41 - Jun 29 with 2376 views | blueasfook |
| FM geeks on 08:38 - Jun 29 by DanTheMan |
My favourite thing was always hunting the regens down. Christian Vieri was always a doddle to find as you needed to look for someone who was Australian and Italian. |
The database editor was useful also for looking for youngsters with high potential so you knew they would turn out to be good players and get them recruited when they were young and cheap. | |
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| FM geeks on 09:45 - Jun 29 with 2316 views | the_toff |
| FM geeks on 08:38 - Jun 29 by DanTheMan |
My favourite thing was always hunting the regens down. Christian Vieri was always a doddle to find as you needed to look for someone who was Australian and Italian. |
Is that how we ended up with Massimo Luongo? | | | |
| FM geeks on 09:51 - Jun 29 with 2298 views | NthQldITFC |
Don't know. My wireless only does amplitude modulation, and I'm not splashing out on new valves now. |  |
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| FM geeks on 11:40 - Jun 29 with 2188 views | wkj |
| FM geeks on 07:50 - Jun 29 by BondiBlue |
Season passes for the database updates? Or season passes for changes to the game? |
It's hard to say with something like FM, as its not a live game in the same way that Destiny 2 is. However, I would imagine there would be a mix of game changes both via free and paid for updates. It seems like a yearly "expansion" dlc would happen with the database and updated rules, asset changes and things like that.
This is all assumption. Though this is all assumption at this stage and SI have said nothing directly that confirms or hints about it happening. [Post edited 29 Jun 2023 11:44]
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| FM geeks on 22:39 - Jun 29 with 2016 views | davblue |
| FM geeks on 11:40 - Jun 29 by wkj |
It's hard to say with something like FM, as its not a live game in the same way that Destiny 2 is. However, I would imagine there would be a mix of game changes both via free and paid for updates. It seems like a yearly "expansion" dlc would happen with the database and updated rules, asset changes and things like that.
This is all assumption. Though this is all assumption at this stage and SI have said nothing directly that confirms or hints about it happening. [Post edited 29 Jun 2023 11:44]
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I’m not sure how that would go down with the hardcore followers of the series.
I’ve been playing since 94/95 and I would seriously consider if I would continue purchasing going forward it would very much depend on how it works. [Post edited 29 Jun 2023 22:40]
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| FM geeks on 03:57 - Jun 30 with 1919 views | wkj |
| FM geeks on 22:39 - Jun 29 by davblue |
I’m not sure how that would go down with the hardcore followers of the series.
I’ve been playing since 94/95 and I would seriously consider if I would continue purchasing going forward it would very much depend on how it works. [Post edited 29 Jun 2023 22:40]
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I actually think this is the kind of game where season passes could work better with live development of the core engine and database. As long as the customer isn't price gouged. In many ways FM has always been like this with yearly releases anyway - a few years of minor changes then suddenly a big one.
For as many units as SI sell per year (with the core reason people buy it being that the DB is up to date), I do know they don't have the "premium" options that a lot of games run. Not saying that they should, but any 'AAA' game dev that isn't considering ways to add add optional extras are financially falling behind the pack.
However, for the player - this could be problematic for sure. | |
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| FM geeks on 07:11 - Jun 30 with 1857 views | davblue |
| FM geeks on 03:57 - Jun 30 by wkj |
I actually think this is the kind of game where season passes could work better with live development of the core engine and database. As long as the customer isn't price gouged. In many ways FM has always been like this with yearly releases anyway - a few years of minor changes then suddenly a big one.
For as many units as SI sell per year (with the core reason people buy it being that the DB is up to date), I do know they don't have the "premium" options that a lot of games run. Not saying that they should, but any 'AAA' game dev that isn't considering ways to add add optional extras are financially falling behind the pack.
However, for the player - this could be problematic for sure. |
We will see. It very much sounds like they are limited in what they can do with the current set up, so this might be a good thing. | | | |
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