| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. 18:03 - Dec 11 with 1356 views | NthQldITFC |
The EU are threatening to walk out.
The US are not best pleased.
The first victim states are watching their death warrants being ratified.
We are all being sold down the river.
Rip the fckuing thing up, it's stealing oxygen from the most important fight that any humans are ever going to have to face.
This whole consensus model and the covert buying and selling of the rights to the next corrupted marketing opportunity are a stupid way to go about fighting for our children's lives.
What next?
Can the UN shut down its own system and reboot something that's fit for purpose (and do it IMMEDIATELY), championed by a strong group of nations led by the EU and the US, the Pacific Islands and even our own banana monarchy (if we can boot out the stinking rump of the halfwit T*ry kleptocracy soon enough.)
Or should the EU set up its own framework and invite those are willing to cooperate in a Blitz mentality join if they meet standards?
Or should we just start nuking each other and get the population down? Radical, extreme, but probably a net gain.
One thing's for sure, any worthwhile endeavour with half a chance of some sort of success at mitigating the coming cosmic sh!tstorm on civilisation and nature cannot be populated or infiltrated and controlled by moronic capitalism-at-all-costs scum. |  |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 19:07 - Dec 11 with 1282 views | factual_blue |
Homo Sapiens isn't actually sapient at all.
The best thing that could happen is for humankind to be wiped out within the next sixty years. |  |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 20:05 - Dec 11 with 1242 views | benrhyddingblue |
I’m just back from Dubai. Nothing changes unfortunately - arguing over ‘should’ or ‘shall’ in the texts, bringing back items that were agreed to be removed at previous COPs. Unfortunately there is nothing to replace this system and start again. |  | | |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:38 - Dec 11 with 1128 views | NthQldITFC |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 20:05 - Dec 11 by benrhyddingblue |
I’m just back from Dubai. Nothing changes unfortunately - arguing over ‘should’ or ‘shall’ in the texts, bringing back items that were agreed to be removed at previous COPs. Unfortunately there is nothing to replace this system and start again. |
Well thanks for your efforts anyway.
My heart is broken for life on Earth. | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:47 - Dec 11 with 1113 views | Swansea_Blue |
So tentatively optimistic then? 
It’s hard not to get overwhelmed by the hopelessness of it all isn’t it? What’s the quote? Something like ‘power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely’. Now we know what’s at stake, it’s truer now than when it was coined well over a hundred years ago. |  |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:48 - Dec 11 with 1112 views | Swansea_Blue |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 19:07 - Dec 11 by factual_blue |
Homo Sapiens isn't actually sapient at all.
The best thing that could happen is for humankind to be wiped out within the next sixty years. |
The best thing for the planet and the rest of life on it, certainly | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:48 - Dec 11 with 1112 views | Plums |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 20:05 - Dec 11 by benrhyddingblue |
I’m just back from Dubai. Nothing changes unfortunately - arguing over ‘should’ or ‘shall’ in the texts, bringing back items that were agreed to be removed at previous COPs. Unfortunately there is nothing to replace this system and start again. |
How very depressing and inevitable.
Sounds like a very good implementation of Section 11 of the OSS Manual:
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf |  |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:50 - Dec 11 with 1110 views | WeWereZombies |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:48 - Dec 11 by Swansea_Blue |
The best thing for the planet and the rest of life on it, certainly |
Or we could aspire to become, and then learn to become, and then actually become custodians of this Earth and everything upon it with a reasoned concern and ability to protect it as much as we can. |  |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 22:10 - Dec 11 with 1077 views | Swansea_Blue |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:50 - Dec 11 by WeWereZombies |
Or we could aspire to become, and then learn to become, and then actually become custodians of this Earth and everything upon it with a reasoned concern and ability to protect it as much as we can. |
That’d be nice, wouldn’t it. We should still strive of course, but we’re going to have to move (or change) our supposed leaders a long way. And I’m talking about all countries here, so it’s an apolitical point. It’s not going to be easy just here in the UK with this going on https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/police-arrest-climate-protesters-l
We can’t even get all the public to recognise the seriousness of the situation. Look at the response on here to protestors, and this place is likely to be more sympathetic than the population as a whole. | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 22:20 - Dec 11 with 1064 views | NthQldITFC |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 22:10 - Dec 11 by Swansea_Blue |
That’d be nice, wouldn’t it. We should still strive of course, but we’re going to have to move (or change) our supposed leaders a long way. And I’m talking about all countries here, so it’s an apolitical point. It’s not going to be easy just here in the UK with this going on https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/police-arrest-climate-protesters-l
We can’t even get all the public to recognise the seriousness of the situation. Look at the response on here to protestors, and this place is likely to be more sympathetic than the population as a whole. |
It troubles me greatly that the level of debate (or maybe engagement is a better word) on here and elsewhere seems to have gone down rather than up.
I think many people have decided nothing can be done, but I think that many of those people have utterly failed to realise just what a massive, existential impact the coming decades are going to have on themselves and their children, let alone the rest of nature. We can't just hide away from it.
We all need to recognise that we have to radically change our way of life and fast. But these words are not enough... | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 22:32 - Dec 11 with 1049 views | factual_blue |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:48 - Dec 11 by Swansea_Blue |
The best thing for the planet and the rest of life on it, certainly |
I'll be long gone in sixty years, so I don't care what happens.
And, obviously, without my presence on the planet, life becomes pretty meaningless anyway.
(For the seriously hard of thinking, I am joking with my second sentence. Probably). | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 22:41 - Dec 11 with 1037 views | factual_blue |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:50 - Dec 11 by WeWereZombies |
Or we could aspire to become, and then learn to become, and then actually become custodians of this Earth and everything upon it with a reasoned concern and ability to protect it as much as we can. |
There's no evidence to suggest that's likely, either from history or the present day. | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 23:43 - Dec 11 with 999 views | BlueBadger |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 21:38 - Dec 11 by NthQldITFC |
Well thanks for your efforts anyway.
My heart is broken for life on Earth. |
Yes, but the cricket and tennis were briefly disrupted in the summer. |  |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 07:22 - Dec 12 with 946 views | Buhrer |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 19:07 - Dec 11 by factual_blue |
Homo Sapiens isn't actually sapient at all.
The best thing that could happen is for humankind to be wiped out within the next sixty years. |
With as much respect as is possible to someone hoping every other human dies.... that comment is total bolocks and not 'best'. Let's not give up on the planet or humanity just yet. |  | | |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 09:32 - Dec 12 with 854 views | WeWereZombies |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 22:41 - Dec 11 by factual_blue |
There's no evidence to suggest that's likely, either from history or the present day. |
With apologies to Monty Python...
What have the human race ever done for us ?
Well there is the National Health Service established in the United Kingdom after the most terrible of wars, a holocaust and two atom bombs.
Yeah, but apart from that...
I'm listening to Mercedes Maroto-Valer on 'The Life Scientific' at the moment and it is quite uplifting to listen to her talking about dealing with carbon and she even includes a justification for international travel. You might want to think about that. | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 09:55 - Dec 12 with 827 views | blueasfook |
It was doomed from the start when it was leaked that the UAE were going to use it to strike new oil deals. That tells you how seriously they take climate change. |  |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 10:01 - Dec 12 with 816 views | NthQldITFC |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 09:32 - Dec 12 by WeWereZombies |
With apologies to Monty Python...
What have the human race ever done for us ?
Well there is the National Health Service established in the United Kingdom after the most terrible of wars, a holocaust and two atom bombs.
Yeah, but apart from that...
I'm listening to Mercedes Maroto-Valer on 'The Life Scientific' at the moment and it is quite uplifting to listen to her talking about dealing with carbon and she even includes a justification for international travel. You might want to think about that. |
I find myself agreeing with both points of view on this, and can't really make up my mind where I stand.
On the one hand, the evidence suggests to me empirically that only a massive shock to the system (a huge drop in the human population OR an absolutely gigantic change in the way we live, worldwide, effectively subsistence living) can minimise a domino effect of positive feedback events - permafrost, clathrates, albedo, Amazon collapse et al. Without one of those two things, it looks only a question of time, years or decades before things run away beyond hope of checking change at something less than a cataclysmic 4C. What has caused the massive SST anomalies this year. Are we any closer to knowing yet? All of the signs are there .
On the other hand, there may be an unforeseen scalable technology, or an otherwise benign negative feedback around the corner, or positive talk may cause a tidal wave of innovation and responsible behaviour worldwide, even amongst the unchecked-capitalism-is-god behemoth engines of destruction. I do have great faith in the young of the species to innovate emotionally and practically, but I also see the depths of despair in many of them now.
My tendency is toward the former, even if that hopefully turns out to be a safety first response. To gamble on unproven, unscaled technologies compensating for an essentially business as usual, don't give up the luxuries attitude is almost certainly a suicidal gamble. | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 14:05 - Dec 12 with 763 views | WeWereZombies |
| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 10:01 - Dec 12 by NthQldITFC |
I find myself agreeing with both points of view on this, and can't really make up my mind where I stand.
On the one hand, the evidence suggests to me empirically that only a massive shock to the system (a huge drop in the human population OR an absolutely gigantic change in the way we live, worldwide, effectively subsistence living) can minimise a domino effect of positive feedback events - permafrost, clathrates, albedo, Amazon collapse et al. Without one of those two things, it looks only a question of time, years or decades before things run away beyond hope of checking change at something less than a cataclysmic 4C. What has caused the massive SST anomalies this year. Are we any closer to knowing yet? All of the signs are there .
On the other hand, there may be an unforeseen scalable technology, or an otherwise benign negative feedback around the corner, or positive talk may cause a tidal wave of innovation and responsible behaviour worldwide, even amongst the unchecked-capitalism-is-god behemoth engines of destruction. I do have great faith in the young of the species to innovate emotionally and practically, but I also see the depths of despair in many of them now.
My tendency is toward the former, even if that hopefully turns out to be a safety first response. To gamble on unproven, unscaled technologies compensating for an essentially business as usual, don't give up the luxuries attitude is almost certainly a suicidal gamble. |
I fully expect the World to miss the 1.5 degrees target, and have no problem admitting that most of the time we gormlessly act on short term self interest. Also, not too many can take in and process what albedo effects, Holocene extinction and permafrost mean for their lives. We are going to lose a lot. But the slow one by one transfer from disinterested to understanding and acting individuals every minute of every hour of every day will be the change that human beings need to make (just like one by one South Africans not turning up for work was a major factor in the downfall of Apartheid) to adapt. Sadly those who do not adapt will make even worse decisions than the ones who do and are likely to perish. | |
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| OK, the COP setup/process is not fit for purpose. on 15:54 - Dec 12 with 725 views | NthQldITFC |
Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate, fairness, compromise, negotiate, backtrack, compromise...
You can't negotiate with the laws of physics, Humanity, get your heads out of your arses and start living like you want to survive. | |
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