| New Electoral System Needed 22:13 - Jul 4 with 2379 views | NeedhamChris |
Urgently. |  |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:16 - Jul 4 with 2343 views | Swansea_Blue |
No chance. It preserves the status quo and, as we saw last time there was a vote on it, the campaigning was as bent as for Brexit. Neither of the two parties who will ever be able to form a government are altruistic enough (at all) to just mandate the change. [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 22:20]
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:17 - Jul 4 with 2315 views | SitfcB |
Vote on an app like BGT?
Just for the leader of the party and then he chooses his MPs x-factor audition style? [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 22:18]
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:25 - Jul 4 with 2194 views | Tonytown |
One that keeps the Tories in power is what you mean | | | |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:30 - Jul 4 with 2142 views | NeedhamChris |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:25 - Jul 4 by Tonytown |
One that keeps the Tories in power is what you mean |
Would you like another go at contributing to this thread without saying something stupid? | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:31 - Jul 4 with 2117 views | Swailsey |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:32 - Jul 4 with 2088 views | RadioOrwell |
When wasn't it needed ? |  | | |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:32 - Jul 4 with 2086 views | Tonytown |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:30 - Jul 4 by NeedhamChris |
Would you like another go at contributing to this thread without saying something stupid? |
I’m fine with the projected results thanks.
I’ll wait for your new system to see if it’s any better. [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 22:34]
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:33 - Jul 4 with 2077 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:31 - Jul 4 by Swailsey |
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I would imagine he’s referring to the unfairness of FPTP. It’s a system that shoukd be consigned to the last century.
It won’t change though because it always benefits either the Tories or Labour and keeps them in power. |  |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:36 - Jul 4 with 2040 views | Tonytown |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:33 - Jul 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I would imagine he’s referring to the unfairness of FPTP. It’s a system that shoukd be consigned to the last century.
It won’t change though because it always benefits either the Tories or Labour and keeps them in power. |
There was a chance to change it during the coalition and it was voted down. | | | |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:36 - Jul 4 with 2039 views | NeedhamChris |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:31 - Jul 4 by Swailsey |
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There's a whole load of reasons isn't there?
- Labour massive majority with a lower vote share than Corbyn achieved
- Reform vote share that warrants a far higher number of MP's to fairly represent those voters
- Lib Dems achieving more seats than Reform with a lower vote share
- Green party only having 2 projected MP's
First past the post is fatally flawed. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:39 - Jul 4 with 1974 views | BloomBlue |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:36 - Jul 4 by NeedhamChris |
There's a whole load of reasons isn't there?
- Labour massive majority with a lower vote share than Corbyn achieved
- Reform vote share that warrants a far higher number of MP's to fairly represent those voters
- Lib Dems achieving more seats than Reform with a lower vote share
- Green party only having 2 projected MP's
First past the post is fatally flawed. |
I feel sorry for the Green party, constantly get good vote share across the country, but never the seat numbers in paraliament. |  | | |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:40 - Jul 4 with 1961 views | Vegtablue |
The need is real but the urgency is unchanged. I'd have voted Green for years if it wasn't akin to spoiling my ballot under the current system. | | | |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:40 - Jul 4 with 1957 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:36 - Jul 4 by Tonytown |
There was a chance to change it during the coalition and it was voted down. |
Even Nick Clegg called AV a grubby little compromise. Full proportional representation is the only fair way for everyone’s vote to count. Then we will see parties like the Greens have a bigger say in our future.
Plus there will be genuine left, right and centre parties. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:41 - Jul 4 with 1937 views | NeedhamChris |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:32 - Jul 4 by Tonytown |
I’m fine with the projected results thanks.
I’ll wait for your new system to see if it’s any better. [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 22:34]
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Ah, so you're a fairness when it suits type of person. Sad indictment of the selfishness that prevents change here. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:42 - Jul 4 with 1919 views | Freddies_Ears |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:36 - Jul 4 by NeedhamChris |
There's a whole load of reasons isn't there?
- Labour massive majority with a lower vote share than Corbyn achieved
- Reform vote share that warrants a far higher number of MP's to fairly represent those voters
- Lib Dems achieving more seats than Reform with a lower vote share
- Green party only having 2 projected MP's
First past the post is fatally flawed. |
The Tories, with a majority of seats off a minority of popular support, could have changed it, but didn't.
PR is the way to go, but I fear we are more likely to boost the economy and promote friendly internationalism by going back into the EU than ever bring in a fair voting system. | | | |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:43 - Jul 4 with 1905 views | NeedhamChris |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:36 - Jul 4 by Tonytown |
There was a chance to change it during the coalition and it was voted down. |
A proper version of proportional representation has never been voted on. It was a self-professed compromise and a bad one at that.
There's a lot of talk about student loans being the biggest mistake of coalition, but selling themselves short on this for a bit of power is the ultimate fail of that period. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:46 - Jul 4 with 1856 views | Tonytown |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:41 - Jul 4 by NeedhamChris |
Ah, so you're a fairness when it suits type of person. Sad indictment of the selfishness that prevents change here. |
I’ve accepted it for 14 years without bleating when the results don’t go my way unlike you.
Take a look in the mirror.
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:53 - Jul 4 with 1797 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:46 - Jul 4 by Tonytown |
I’ve accepted it for 14 years without bleating when the results don’t go my way unlike you.
Take a look in the mirror.
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Why so abusive? Needham has never shown any sign that he votes Tory. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:56 - Jul 4 with 1765 views | Pinewoodblue |
Would you be happy with a Tory/ Reform coalition government as it looks like that is what PR would deliver this election. |  |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 22:58 - Jul 4 with 1740 views | Tonytown |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:53 - Jul 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Why so abusive? Needham has never shown any sign that he votes Tory. |
He described me as stupid and selfish.
I am neither, but have a different opinion to him is all.
Why ask about a change of electoral system tonight, just after the prediction of a Labour landslide? [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 22:59]
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| New Electoral System Needed on 23:00 - Jul 4 with 1721 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:58 - Jul 4 by Tonytown |
He described me as stupid and selfish.
I am neither, but have a different opinion to him is all.
Why ask about a change of electoral system tonight, just after the prediction of a Labour landslide? [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 22:59]
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It’s been discussed on here for years and quite a bit during this election. Usually by left leaning people. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 23:01 - Jul 4 with 1705 views | Swansea_Blue |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:42 - Jul 4 by Freddies_Ears |
The Tories, with a majority of seats off a minority of popular support, could have changed it, but didn't.
PR is the way to go, but I fear we are more likely to boost the economy and promote friendly internationalism by going back into the EU than ever bring in a fair voting system. |
Bingo. Nailed it in the first sentence - it suits the two main parties to keep it as it is. Referendums aren’t the right way to go about changing it either. I don’t remember one for setting the voting system for the Welsh Govt. A hybrid system was chosen because it was recognised that FPTP alone was flawed. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 23:02 - Jul 4 with 1676 views | MidlandBlue25 |
It’s always been needed, but the party in power will never want it | | | |
| New Electoral System Needed on 23:08 - Jul 4 with 1579 views | NeedhamChris |
| New Electoral System Needed on 22:58 - Jul 4 by Tonytown |
He described me as stupid and selfish.
I am neither, but have a different opinion to him is all.
Why ask about a change of electoral system tonight, just after the prediction of a Labour landslide? [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 22:59]
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I described your post as stupid, not you. There is a subtle difference.
I'm a Green Party member who is much happier with a Labour government than a Tory one. Yet you seem to have blindly assumed I'm a right wing voter. | |
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| New Electoral System Needed on 23:10 - Jul 4 with 1554 views | NeedhamChris |
Well done Andy Burnham for talking about this without the typical tribalism. Others would do well to learn from that. | |
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