| This Prem Gap stuff, question 13:39 - Feb 24 with 1308 views | FrimleyBlue |
Looking back at the spurs goals...
Godfrey an experienced player should know that being ahead of your winger inside the opponents half, isn't the best place to be standing when the opponents have control of the ball...
Surely that's not from being rusty, that's just common sense isn't it?
Davis, surely with how many goals we've conceded on his side from losing his man, he knows firstly to match the run of the scorer in the first and then not to leave him alone in space in the 2nd..
And the 3rd goal
Hutch presses, right footed lcb turns inside, hutch misses out far to easily, anyway, philogene then presses the same player despite there being a wide player free to his right, the player with the ball then finds a central player, philogene is out of position, oshea is no where near the ball receiver and then we all begin to run backwards towards our own goal inviting spurs to get closer as a side to our box, THEN Taylor watches Maddison is in space, he slowly moves across but still gives to much room and then we have 3 players taken out by the flairy maddison, whilst spence Hutchinson literally watches spence jog into a great big gap to receive the easy pass to score..
And then 4th, yes play should have been stopped, but anyway, Wolfy is sensibly trying to stand up to the scorer, Davis comes over as I guess some form of inside cover, yet stands beyond Wolfenden to leave a massive inside gap to slip into to get a free shot off and score..
I mean you talk of of premiership gaps, , that's just common sense that shouldn't really cost extra 20-30 million per player is it? Aren't they the basics of football defending?
Lots of talk of injuries etc and I completely get that can ruin any clubs season, look at spurs this year. But THAT gap I always thought would be able lack of creating opportunities over simple basics of defending.
Is it not an area we concentrate on? are we so front foot reliant it's just something that's seen as a minor detail, or are the players just ignoring what they are being taught? to tired to think about it? don't have the mental capacity and that is what you get for the extra £20/30 mill ?
Going back through some previous goal highlights, the incredible ease of some of the goals we've conceded is actually quite baffling when you see them back and as a specific thing you're looking at.
I've always thought that gap was more about attacking or struggling to be good enough to break teams down, but when you review things, our gap just seems to be that defensive knowledge.
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| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 13:46 - Feb 24 with 1242 views | unstableblue |
You talk about common sense, but sensing a game in a certain position is part of the quality gap.
Quality players know where to be, how to move, what to do, more instinctively than weaker players.
Son is one of the best players in the Premier League, if not world, who has been out of form, and is getting older, but was bang on it Saturday.
Godfrey is experienced as a right sided centre back! Not full back, doesn’t know the role. Axel is one of the best full backs in the league. Different game with him in.
Davis has struggled a little defensively against the better level Premier players and he’s allowed Johnson to get away from him too easily.
Kulusevski scores those Delap early chances.
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| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:01 - Feb 24 with 1149 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 13:46 - Feb 24 by unstableblue |
You talk about common sense, but sensing a game in a certain position is part of the quality gap.
Quality players know where to be, how to move, what to do, more instinctively than weaker players.
Son is one of the best players in the Premier League, if not world, who has been out of form, and is getting older, but was bang on it Saturday.
Godfrey is experienced as a right sided centre back! Not full back, doesn’t know the role. Axel is one of the best full backs in the league. Different game with him in.
Davis has struggled a little defensively against the better level Premier players and he’s allowed Johnson to get away from him too easily.
Kulusevski scores those Delap early chances.
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Wasn't Godfrey a fullback? but occasional cb for Everton? [Post edited 24 Feb 14:02]
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| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:22 - Feb 24 with 1060 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:01 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Wasn't Godfrey a fullback? but occasional cb for Everton? [Post edited 24 Feb 14:02]
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| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:23 - Feb 24 with 1059 views | OldFart71 |
I think the burning question has to be and given that the odds of survival are getting smaller each game that passes is supposing we did go down and then come straight back up what if any difference in our makeup there would be ? Fairly obvious that Delap would go and Phillips back to City. Not sure if anyone else would be a target as truthfully not many have proved themselves capable of holding down a place at another Premier League club. I would think there's a possibility of Morsy and Loungo going to lesser sides. Taylor I really don't know. So we would need to get another forward in and a couple of midfielders but the quality, power and ability would need to be good. |  | | |
| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:24 - Feb 24 with 1057 views | Steve_M |
"Godfrey an experienced player should know that being ahead of your winger inside the opponents half, isn't the best place to be standing when the opponents have control of the ball..."
On the first goal we were undone by Delap not reading a forward ball and then an excellent pass out of defence to pick out Son. Godfrey, like a number of players, could have done better there but it's not just about his positioning.
It's one thing to talk about defending better but we are playing teams so much better than us. Especially late on in games, we've had to put so much effort in to bring the gap down that we will make mistakes.
Thought we were also a bit hard done by by Tim Robinson for the third goal. Danso claiming a non-existent head injury meant Spurs got a drop ball instead of our throw, then Madison blatantly dived over Philogene's tackle on half-way and they got a free kick instead of a throw. So, whilst what you say there is broadly true the bits before are important.
For me, leaving Johnson unmarked for ages before the second goal is the worst thing we did all match. That's just careless. |  |
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| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:45 - Feb 24 with 947 views | Herbivore |
| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:24 - Feb 24 by Steve_M |
"Godfrey an experienced player should know that being ahead of your winger inside the opponents half, isn't the best place to be standing when the opponents have control of the ball..."
On the first goal we were undone by Delap not reading a forward ball and then an excellent pass out of defence to pick out Son. Godfrey, like a number of players, could have done better there but it's not just about his positioning.
It's one thing to talk about defending better but we are playing teams so much better than us. Especially late on in games, we've had to put so much effort in to bring the gap down that we will make mistakes.
Thought we were also a bit hard done by by Tim Robinson for the third goal. Danso claiming a non-existent head injury meant Spurs got a drop ball instead of our throw, then Madison blatantly dived over Philogene's tackle on half-way and they got a free kick instead of a throw. So, whilst what you say there is broadly true the bits before are important.
For me, leaving Johnson unmarked for ages before the second goal is the worst thing we did all match. That's just careless. |
The second goal was poor. Everyone has been jumping on the "Davis can't defend" bandwagon but having seen it back a couple of times, I don't solely blame him as he's marking Tel who has dropped off the back of Greaves. If Davis steps out on to Johnson then he leaves Tel unmarked. The issue is a lack of communication, someone either needs to be screaming at Clarke or one of the CMs to drop back and pick up Johnson, or Davis needs to read the danger and step out and pass Tel on to Greaves, who should be marking him. It's a shambles all round and of course Davis could do better, but he's not the only one at fault there. |  |
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| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:54 - Feb 24 with 912 views | bsw72 |
| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 13:46 - Feb 24 by unstableblue |
You talk about common sense, but sensing a game in a certain position is part of the quality gap.
Quality players know where to be, how to move, what to do, more instinctively than weaker players.
Son is one of the best players in the Premier League, if not world, who has been out of form, and is getting older, but was bang on it Saturday.
Godfrey is experienced as a right sided centre back! Not full back, doesn’t know the role. Axel is one of the best full backs in the league. Different game with him in.
Davis has struggled a little defensively against the better level Premier players and he’s allowed Johnson to get away from him too easily.
Kulusevski scores those Delap early chances.
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Hindsight and the ability to review games and understand the errors made and what should have been done is great, and a definite tool which coaches use and fans will leverage.
If football was just a learned skill, then all players with the right training would be able to develop and potentially play at the top flight. It is safe to say we all know that football is not just a learned skill, there is an element of inate ability which the better players have and training enhances and builds on that inate ability.
Everything we watch and analyze from multiple actions in slow motion has taken place in a split second and happens from a completely different angle for those involved and physical state to the one we view it from.
If we look at Godfrey, he was pulled apart by Son, but certainly lacked peak match fitness - this is not just about the legs, but the brain, eyes and ears - Spurs were smart and targetted him.
There are several things which seperate top flight pros vs championship and below, generally the top players have the ability to anticipate/predict, create space. I have always been astouned by the ability of the likes of De Bruyne to receive the ball surrounded by players, make a yard for himself and play the ball away.
As you drop down the divisions, the more skillful player is often considered a luxury as his ability is wasted on those with lower ability around him (how many times have we seen a brilliant ball "not read" by another play, or vice versa), therefore these more inate skills become lost as the game is generally more physical, and so physical ability is preferred to skill.
The challenge with the Premier League is that most of the teams we play have 4/5 players on the pitch at any one time who have these skill levels usually surrounded by others who have them to a lesser extent and as such they think and react quicker - that is the difference between us and them. |  | | |
| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 16:28 - Feb 24 with 772 views | homer_123 |
| This Prem Gap stuff, question on 14:24 - Feb 24 by Steve_M |
"Godfrey an experienced player should know that being ahead of your winger inside the opponents half, isn't the best place to be standing when the opponents have control of the ball..."
On the first goal we were undone by Delap not reading a forward ball and then an excellent pass out of defence to pick out Son. Godfrey, like a number of players, could have done better there but it's not just about his positioning.
It's one thing to talk about defending better but we are playing teams so much better than us. Especially late on in games, we've had to put so much effort in to bring the gap down that we will make mistakes.
Thought we were also a bit hard done by by Tim Robinson for the third goal. Danso claiming a non-existent head injury meant Spurs got a drop ball instead of our throw, then Madison blatantly dived over Philogene's tackle on half-way and they got a free kick instead of a throw. So, whilst what you say there is broadly true the bits before are important.
For me, leaving Johnson unmarked for ages before the second goal is the worst thing we did all match. That's just careless. |
This is the point many seem to forget/ ignore. The quality, even from a Spurs team off form, is just a cut above.
Oh and agreed re. the third goal. |  |
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