| Ref on Saturday 11:01 - Sep 1 with 899 views | Wickets |
I felt he struggled to get to grips with the Derby time wasting and it is hard to control , if he had clamped down on their early time wasting as they where taking an age over throw ins and any other stoppage he might have made it less difficult for himself . One of my pet hates is a Ref who allows this time wasting to go on while standing with his arm in the air pointing to his watch as that shows a complete lack of understanding of the problem and why its done . |  | | |  |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:05 - Sep 1 with 842 views | Deano69 |
Overheard while walking out the ground - Grumbling Derby fans were saying the ref had robbed them, where did he get 13+ minutes from?? Seemed to shut up once I said, probably the 30 minutes of time wasting starting after the 7th minute of the game |  |
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| Ref on Saturday on 11:10 - Sep 1 with 802 views | Steve_M |
I could tell he was going to be bad when, having given Derby a ridiculously soft free kick, he was then totally happy for them to move it five metres infield for a better shooting position.
He did, at least, eventually get what was going and added on adequate stoppage time as well as gesturing irritatedly at Derby players to get up. It would have been a much better game had he twigged earlier than about 85 minutes though. |  |
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| Ref on Saturday on 11:18 - Sep 1 with 750 views | MrBeckinsale |
Derby also did at least 2 or 3 foul throws - I guess they thought they might get away with those.
Seemed a very non-footballing team there now. I'm sure they didn't used to always be like that, did they? |  | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:25 - Sep 1 with 700 views | bsw72 |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:18 - Sep 1 by MrBeckinsale |
Derby also did at least 2 or 3 foul throws - I guess they thought they might get away with those.
Seemed a very non-footballing team there now. I'm sure they didn't used to always be like that, did they? |
Blame John Eustace, one of the less progressive and more destructive football managers in my opinion. |  | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:30 - Sep 1 with 678 views | Durovigutum |
Trouble is there isn’t much you can do. Yellow card and then send off a player for time wasting? How would you feel as a fan if one of our players suffered that? Where is the boundary? How long is “time wasting”? The rule book doesn’t really help.
They need to write clear futsal style rules asap. |  | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:38 - Sep 1 with 650 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:30 - Sep 1 by Durovigutum |
Trouble is there isn’t much you can do. Yellow card and then send off a player for time wasting? How would you feel as a fan if one of our players suffered that? Where is the boundary? How long is “time wasting”? The rule book doesn’t really help.
They need to write clear futsal style rules asap. |
The rules are there but poorly implemented as usual. Cards need to be done early. Pointless after 80 minutes as it's about disrupting momentum and a time wasting team can share them around.
Equally though, refs cannot suddenly insist on very quick kicks and throws under threat of a card, when they are no slower than typical throughout the game. A defending team does not have to speed up! | | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:44 - Sep 1 with 617 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:30 - Sep 1 by Durovigutum |
Trouble is there isn’t much you can do. Yellow card and then send off a player for time wasting? How would you feel as a fan if one of our players suffered that? Where is the boundary? How long is “time wasting”? The rule book doesn’t really help.
They need to write clear futsal style rules asap. |
Why not send them off for a second yellow and repeated offences. The ref can give good notice / warnings.
This is a great example of where football can learn from rugby union. The ref will often be seen/heard to give warnings, and then quite explicitly say 'last warning - next time and you're off' | | | |
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| Ref on Saturday on 11:47 - Sep 1 with 593 views | baxterbasics |
On the other hand, if he'd nipped it in the bud we wouldn't have got the 14 mins we needed at the end to get the penalty!
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| Ref on Saturday on 11:49 - Sep 1 with 578 views | Wickets |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:44 - Sep 1 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Why not send them off for a second yellow and repeated offences. The ref can give good notice / warnings.
This is a great example of where football can learn from rugby union. The ref will often be seen/heard to give warnings, and then quite explicitly say 'last warning - next time and you're off' |
I very much agree that soccer refs are a softer touch than union ones . | | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:49 - Sep 1 with 578 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:05 - Sep 1 by Deano69 |
Overheard while walking out the ground - Grumbling Derby fans were saying the ref had robbed them, where did he get 13+ minutes from?? Seemed to shut up once I said, probably the 30 minutes of time wasting starting after the 7th minute of the game |
I'd thought the time wasting felt extremely bad during the game, but only when I re-watch it yesterday did I realise just how bad it was.
Someone commented on Jens being anonymous in the 2nd half, which surprised me - but when Ire-watch, it was clear why there would be this impression. During the first 20-25 minutes of the 2nd half, the ball was out of play more than it was in!!! There was just nothing to do during much of that period of the game, and certainly little time the ball was actually in play in midfield. Derby were either time wasting, or lumping the ball away.
Having re-watched proceedings, I think 13 minutes was far less than should have been added. | | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:50 - Sep 1 with 565 views | Deano69 |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:30 - Sep 1 by Durovigutum |
Trouble is there isn’t much you can do. Yellow card and then send off a player for time wasting? How would you feel as a fan if one of our players suffered that? Where is the boundary? How long is “time wasting”? The rule book doesn’t really help.
They need to write clear futsal style rules asap. |
Very frustrating to see a ref frantically wave on a throw-in or goal-kick to the same player numerous times without action. As mentioned elsewhere, its pointless booking a player with a few minutes left is utterly pointless.
Also hacks me of when an opposition player walks off with the ball at free-kick or thrown in, then eventually rolls it back to the 'taker'. Its no different to throwing the ball away from a time wasting or delaying tactic..
And another thing! A foul throw seemed to be a thing of the past regardless how badly they were taken. Was unusual to seem this pulled up the weekend tbh. | |
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| Ref on Saturday on 11:54 - Sep 1 with 540 views | goperryrevs |
I've heard a few people say at least the ref did one thing right and added time on for the time wasting.
It's not the ref that sets the added time - it's the fourth official. Eustace even said after the game that the ref said to him he was surprised how much the fourth official added on.
The ref was just poor all round - it was the fourth official who noticed the time wasting and set the added time accordingly. | | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:04 - Sep 1 with 505 views | Vaughan8 |
By no means blaming him for the result but the stop start of the game was horrific.
I don't know the rules inside out but does he HAVE to stop the game if a player is holding their head? If so its a stupid rule.
I saw in one of the game yesterday (Think Villa Palace game) a player went down and the ref immediately indicated for him to get up. | | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:08 - Sep 1 with 477 views | RIPbobby |
The trouble with our game is they do not want to introduce radical changes that the game needs. They seem to forget the rules in essence are 150 years old and they have hardly changed really. Teams as primed into disruption and bending the rules that they need changing. Refs are always going to be bad if the rules are so vague. |  | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:14 - Sep 1 with 439 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Ref on Saturday on 11:10 - Sep 1 by Steve_M |
I could tell he was going to be bad when, having given Derby a ridiculously soft free kick, he was then totally happy for them to move it five metres infield for a better shooting position.
He did, at least, eventually get what was going and added on adequate stoppage time as well as gesturing irritatedly at Derby players to get up. It would have been a much better game had he twigged earlier than about 85 minutes though. |
It was about that moment that you knew the referee had lost his ability to control the players - his early actions were picked up by the players and they then knew how far they could push him from those early interactions.
It's a big problem, but given that there were a few comments over the weekend about how this is happening more and more in the EPL games, hopefully they might actually do something about it - no chance of that happening if this was just an EFL thing | | | |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:18 - Sep 1 with 425 views | Deano69 |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:08 - Sep 1 by RIPbobby |
The trouble with our game is they do not want to introduce radical changes that the game needs. They seem to forget the rules in essence are 150 years old and they have hardly changed really. Teams as primed into disruption and bending the rules that they need changing. Refs are always going to be bad if the rules are so vague. |
They were also based around a time/era players being more honest, rather than faking injury, fouls, handball etc | |
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| Ref on Saturday on 12:36 - Sep 1 with 372 views | SenatorBlue |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:04 - Sep 1 by Vaughan8 |
By no means blaming him for the result but the stop start of the game was horrific.
I don't know the rules inside out but does he HAVE to stop the game if a player is holding their head? If so its a stupid rule.
I saw in one of the game yesterday (Think Villa Palace game) a player went down and the ref immediately indicated for him to get up. |
For me the head injury rule issue is easily fixed. The ref has to stop for head injuries, but teams are using this to an advantage, when the situation arises to use (see last 20 mins on Saturday).
The fix, they are stopping due to the serious nature of a head injury. Therefore a mandatory 3 minute touchline assessment for concussion (and ability to play on), after they are dealt with on the pitch (unless subbed). That would cut down the play acting, and also ensure real head injuries are dealt with the seriousness they warrant. [Post edited 1 Sep 12:37]
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| Ref on Saturday on 12:47 - Sep 1 with 329 views | WeWereZombies |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:08 - Sep 1 by RIPbobby |
The trouble with our game is they do not want to introduce radical changes that the game needs. They seem to forget the rules in essence are 150 years old and they have hardly changed really. Teams as primed into disruption and bending the rules that they need changing. Refs are always going to be bad if the rules are so vague. |
I don't think that right, the rules have changed quite radically since the laws of Association Football were formulated. Offside was introduced at the same time (1963) but revised in 1907 so that a player could not be offside in their own half, in 1925 the number of opposition defenders in front of an attacker was reduced from three to two, and in 1990 the rule was changed to allow an attacker to be in line with defenders rather than behind them. Then there are all the guidance rules about handball...
But with even the most minute tweak to the handball guidance half of 'Match of the Day' is given over to pundits having a festival of moaning equivalent to a Daily Mail editorial. |  |
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| Ref on Saturday on 13:36 - Sep 1 with 253 views | MrBeckinsale |
| Ref on Saturday on 12:36 - Sep 1 by SenatorBlue |
For me the head injury rule issue is easily fixed. The ref has to stop for head injuries, but teams are using this to an advantage, when the situation arises to use (see last 20 mins on Saturday).
The fix, they are stopping due to the serious nature of a head injury. Therefore a mandatory 3 minute touchline assessment for concussion (and ability to play on), after they are dealt with on the pitch (unless subbed). That would cut down the play acting, and also ensure real head injuries are dealt with the seriousness they warrant. [Post edited 1 Sep 12:37]
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In these instances, they could also make it a rule that the rest of the players on the pitch need to be ready to continue rather than all going over to the dugouts, ie, none of this coaching huddle that a lot of the time these 'injuries' are instigated to enable the manager to give instructions that they haven't done pre-match or at half time. That would also save time, so play can continue quicker. | | | |
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