| More to this than a striker 10:55 - Feb 2 with 1455 views | cressi |
Off course a quality striker would help.
But we are so slow in our build up O'Shea can't pass to the right and gives the opposition time to get in position I would say 3 good long balls to our left wing every game and ten minutes plus wasted dilly dallying. We could have Shearer up front the service to our striker is so poor at times. Only Burns gets to the byline and pulls it back. A difficult task been a striker here as Szmodics and Akpom are showing although rarely played where they had past success. |  | | |  |
| More to this than a striker on 10:57 - Feb 2 with 1419 views | Herbivore |
This is nonsense though. Our attacking stats are up there with Coventry, we create lots of chances, lots of big chances, and have a high xG compared to the rest of the league. Our two main strikers are both right up there in the table for big chances missed and we as a team are right up there as well. We created plenty. We created more than enough to win on Saturday despite not being at our best. Some people just want us to lump it forward but then piss and moan when it comes straight back out at us. |  |
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| More to this than a striker on 11:04 - Feb 2 with 1330 views | BseaBlue |
| More to this than a striker on 10:57 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
This is nonsense though. Our attacking stats are up there with Coventry, we create lots of chances, lots of big chances, and have a high xG compared to the rest of the league. Our two main strikers are both right up there in the table for big chances missed and we as a team are right up there as well. We created plenty. We created more than enough to win on Saturday despite not being at our best. Some people just want us to lump it forward but then piss and moan when it comes straight back out at us. |
Spot on. Mehmeti creates two good chances on his home debut but we fail to convert them. There has been plenty of games where this has been the case, such as Watford at home.
The stat about big chances missed is damning and hopefully doesn't cost us an automatic spot. |  | | |
| More to this than a striker on 11:10 - Feb 2 with 1279 views | cressi |
| More to this than a striker on 10:57 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
This is nonsense though. Our attacking stats are up there with Coventry, we create lots of chances, lots of big chances, and have a high xG compared to the rest of the league. Our two main strikers are both right up there in the table for big chances missed and we as a team are right up there as well. We created plenty. We created more than enough to win on Saturday despite not being at our best. Some people just want us to lump it forward but then piss and moan when it comes straight back out at us. |
It's not about lumping it Burns never had one good ball behind the fullback Saturday to run on to. And not till ten to go did we show much urgency. | | | |
| More to this than a striker on 11:12 - Feb 2 with 1260 views | Swansea_Blue |
| More to this than a striker on 10:57 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
This is nonsense though. Our attacking stats are up there with Coventry, we create lots of chances, lots of big chances, and have a high xG compared to the rest of the league. Our two main strikers are both right up there in the table for big chances missed and we as a team are right up there as well. We created plenty. We created more than enough to win on Saturday despite not being at our best. Some people just want us to lump it forward but then piss and moan when it comes straight back out at us. |
I get frustrated by our slow build up play at times. But you’re right, the stats suggest we’re doing ok. I think part of the problem is nowadays we spend so much time watching highlights and are generally living in a ‘want it now’ society such that we expect every passage of play to be perfect and exciting. A lot of football is drudgery with teams cancelling each other out, and always has been.
The sats remind us of how rarely things happen. It’s normal for there to only be a few big chances in a game. It’s normal for a player to only make 1 or 2 tackles a game. Even someone like Matusiwa as we think of as a general bossing the middle of the park only has an average of 2.3 tackles per game. A player only has to make 1 mistake and they go from having the best stats in a game to being bang average. Fine margins and all that.
(As an aside, I see Adam Armstrong is right up there for missing chances and underperforming against his xG. Only mentioned because of his previous link and people thinking he’d be a good option). |  |
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| More to this than a striker on 11:18 - Feb 2 with 1168 views | bsw72 |
| More to this than a striker on 11:10 - Feb 2 by cressi |
It's not about lumping it Burns never had one good ball behind the fullback Saturday to run on to. And not till ten to go did we show much urgency. |
The urgency aspect has more of an impact on the crowd and atmosphere - but we are still creating plenty of chances through our steady and controlled build up play. It's about a balance, as we got suckered into a more urgent and direct approach vs Charlton, and got caught 3 times.
The other thing to consider is that the majority of us watch the game from a very different angle to those playing it - and what is often obvious to us in the stands is much harder to perceive and then execute on the pitch. |  | | |
| More to this than a striker on 11:20 - Feb 2 with 1154 views | cressi |
| More to this than a striker on 11:18 - Feb 2 by bsw72 |
The urgency aspect has more of an impact on the crowd and atmosphere - but we are still creating plenty of chances through our steady and controlled build up play. It's about a balance, as we got suckered into a more urgent and direct approach vs Charlton, and got caught 3 times.
The other thing to consider is that the majority of us watch the game from a very different angle to those playing it - and what is often obvious to us in the stands is much harder to perceive and then execute on the pitch. |
Although we missed Azor that evening | | | |
| More to this than a striker on 11:23 - Feb 2 with 1117 views | homer_123 |
| More to this than a striker on 11:10 - Feb 2 by cressi |
It's not about lumping it Burns never had one good ball behind the fullback Saturday to run on to. And not till ten to go did we show much urgency. |
You do understand that when a team defends deep, there isn't room to ping a ball in behind.
Preston sat with 5, deep, 3 in midfield and 2 up top but didn't press. They denied space to play through, around or over. |  |
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| More to this than a striker on 11:25 - Feb 2 with 1082 views | homer_123 |
| More to this than a striker on 11:12 - Feb 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I get frustrated by our slow build up play at times. But you’re right, the stats suggest we’re doing ok. I think part of the problem is nowadays we spend so much time watching highlights and are generally living in a ‘want it now’ society such that we expect every passage of play to be perfect and exciting. A lot of football is drudgery with teams cancelling each other out, and always has been.
The sats remind us of how rarely things happen. It’s normal for there to only be a few big chances in a game. It’s normal for a player to only make 1 or 2 tackles a game. Even someone like Matusiwa as we think of as a general bossing the middle of the park only has an average of 2.3 tackles per game. A player only has to make 1 mistake and they go from having the best stats in a game to being bang average. Fine margins and all that.
(As an aside, I see Adam Armstrong is right up there for missing chances and underperforming against his xG. Only mentioned because of his previous link and people thinking he’d be a good option). |
Playing against a 5-3-2 by homer_123 2 Feb 8:56Change of tempo is key in football though Frimmers. I think that's lost sometimes.
The reason those chances were created was because we moved from a slow tempo to a fast tempo - that change of pace is part of the reason 'why' those chances were created.
It's about choosing those moments to speed up or slow down. Slowing things down is as important as speeding things up.
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| More to this than a striker on 11:31 - Feb 2 with 1029 views | Herbivore |
| More to this than a striker on 11:10 - Feb 2 by cressi |
It's not about lumping it Burns never had one good ball behind the fullback Saturday to run on to. And not till ten to go did we show much urgency. |
How do you think we'd have worked it to Burns behind the full back when their back 5 was mainly sat on the edge of their box? | |
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| More to this than a striker on 11:44 - Feb 2 with 962 views | cressi |
| More to this than a striker on 11:31 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
How do you think we'd have worked it to Burns behind the full back when their back 5 was mainly sat on the edge of their box? |
Excuses Excuses maybe o'shea pass to the right on odd occasions. And releases the ball a bit quicker. | | | |
| More to this than a striker on 11:50 - Feb 2 with 945 views | Herbivore |
| More to this than a striker on 11:44 - Feb 2 by cressi |
Excuses Excuses maybe o'shea pass to the right on odd occasions. And releases the ball a bit quicker. |
It's not an excuse, is it? They set up to sit deep and to condense the space available for us to play in. What you want to happen and what is actually possible aren't always the same thing unfortunately. | |
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| More to this than a striker on 12:04 - Feb 2 with 865 views | One_Bobby_Petta |
| More to this than a striker on 11:50 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
It's not an excuse, is it? They set up to sit deep and to condense the space available for us to play in. What you want to happen and what is actually possible aren't always the same thing unfortunately. |
Sorry don't subscribe to this at all, there has been all season and were again on Saturday multiple opportunities to break quickly when the opposition is drawn out of shape but we are slow and laborious in our attacking play.
You can have all the strikers you want but if you pass the ball across the 18 yard box for 5 mins you wont score goals, the team need to be able to notice these moments and not be drilled into the one style of play we’ve adopted this season | | | |
| More to this than a striker on 12:07 - Feb 2 with 845 views | Herbivore |
| More to this than a striker on 12:04 - Feb 2 by One_Bobby_Petta |
Sorry don't subscribe to this at all, there has been all season and were again on Saturday multiple opportunities to break quickly when the opposition is drawn out of shape but we are slow and laborious in our attacking play.
You can have all the strikers you want but if you pass the ball across the 18 yard box for 5 mins you wont score goals, the team need to be able to notice these moments and not be drilled into the one style of play we’ve adopted this season |
Completely disagree with your take. | |
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| More to this than a striker on 12:07 - Feb 2 with 856 views | PhilTWTD |
| More to this than a striker on 10:57 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
This is nonsense though. Our attacking stats are up there with Coventry, we create lots of chances, lots of big chances, and have a high xG compared to the rest of the league. Our two main strikers are both right up there in the table for big chances missed and we as a team are right up there as well. We created plenty. We created more than enough to win on Saturday despite not being at our best. Some people just want us to lump it forward but then piss and moan when it comes straight back out at us. |
The number nines certainly need to score more but equally we've scored so few goals from number 10, miles off Conor Chaplin levels, or from the right side. Our left side has scored 20-odd already, which is more than the other attacking positions put together, I would guess without having done the maths. Also not many goals from central midfield, the full-backs or centre-halves. |  | | |
| More to this than a striker on 12:12 - Feb 2 with 782 views | Herbivore |
| More to this than a striker on 12:07 - Feb 2 by PhilTWTD |
The number nines certainly need to score more but equally we've scored so few goals from number 10, miles off Conor Chaplin levels, or from the right side. Our left side has scored 20-odd already, which is more than the other attacking positions put together, I would guess without having done the maths. Also not many goals from central midfield, the full-backs or centre-halves. |
Yeah agree that the lack of goals from our 10 in particular has been a big issue. Chaplin got 40 goals across our two promotion seasons. I think Mehmeti will chip in with half a dozen over the remaining games, he looks to have an eye for goal. We need a combination of Burns and Walle Egeli to weigh in with a few more too. We are creating chances but we miss so many. I still don't know how Kipre failed to bury that header in stoppage time on Saturday, 6 yards out and under zero pressure and with plenty of pace on the cross. Put that on target anywhere other than straight at the keeper and it's a goal. | |
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| More to this than a striker on 12:30 - Feb 2 with 713 views | PhilTWTD |
| More to this than a striker on 12:12 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
Yeah agree that the lack of goals from our 10 in particular has been a big issue. Chaplin got 40 goals across our two promotion seasons. I think Mehmeti will chip in with half a dozen over the remaining games, he looks to have an eye for goal. We need a combination of Burns and Walle Egeli to weigh in with a few more too. We are creating chances but we miss so many. I still don't know how Kipre failed to bury that header in stoppage time on Saturday, 6 yards out and under zero pressure and with plenty of pace on the cross. Put that on target anywhere other than straight at the keeper and it's a goal. |
Yes, hopefully Mehmeti's addition will address that issue, although it seems a little contrary to be moving on Szmodics given his goals record at this level.
I do wonder whether Akpom will be seen more as a number nine - assuming no one else comes in - going forward having not really settled as a number 10.
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| More to this than a striker on 12:51 - Feb 2 with 584 views | hype313 |
| More to this than a striker on 12:30 - Feb 2 by PhilTWTD |
Yes, hopefully Mehmeti's addition will address that issue, although it seems a little contrary to be moving on Szmodics given his goals record at this level.
I do wonder whether Akpom will be seen more as a number nine - assuming no one else comes in - going forward having not really settled as a number 10.
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Mehemti is SS replacement and will play that 10 role with Nunez, so clearly Akpom will be utilised as a 9 going forward if we don't bring anyone in.
But yes, selling him without bringing anyone else in seems rather odd. |  |
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| More to this than a striker on 13:20 - Feb 2 with 485 views | homer_123 |
| More to this than a striker on 12:07 - Feb 2 by PhilTWTD |
The number nines certainly need to score more but equally we've scored so few goals from number 10, miles off Conor Chaplin levels, or from the right side. Our left side has scored 20-odd already, which is more than the other attacking positions put together, I would guess without having done the maths. Also not many goals from central midfield, the full-backs or centre-halves. |
MASSIVE DAY by homer_123 2 Feb 9:00I think this is the interesting observation.
We don't play football that focuses our high quality goal scoring opportunities on our lone striker. KM clearly and evidently sets us out so that goals can be scored by 'all' of the front four.
Now, there is a lot to be said for the fact that the 'left' has provided those goals this season, but the right and the central attacking midfield role far less so than in other seasons.
Yes, it would be good to have a striker that is more clinical but we actually play in a way the requires goals from all of those four and the right has been poor in delivering those, worse maybe than the striker and central attacking midfielder?
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| More to this than a striker on 13:27 - Feb 2 with 440 views | cressi |
| More to this than a striker on 12:07 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
Completely disagree with your take. |
All about opinions I agree takes us 30 passes to get to their penalty box to slow and predictable. | | | |
| More to this than a striker on 14:06 - Feb 2 with 346 views | gosblue |
PNE played 5 at the back but we created several chances. To me their back 5 was there for the taking. When they had 5 up for a corner, why couldn't we hit hem on the counter. We have no out ball as Hirst and Burns are busy defending corners. Preston created 3 or 4 good opportunities from our corners by leaving 2 up against our 1 defender. We had 9 corners on Saturday but I don't even get excited any more because we're highly unkikely to score from them. The attacking coaches need to work with our CBs on hitting the target, otherwise, they may as well stay back and stop the counter attacks. If the CBs do go up, someone needs to drop back and cover them. It's basic Under-12s football for Christ's sake. This squad is far better than the one that got us promoted. We just need to perform like it. COYB | | | |
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