| Next steps for government? 09:27 - Jun 11 with 4785 views | Bluefish |
If the discussions with the DUP fail. Labour can try and form a new agreement? They couldn't be bigger than the Tories though so surely it goes back to TM for a minority??
On this basis why is JC on about forming a minority? |  |
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| Next steps for government? on 09:31 - Jun 11 with 4357 views | Lazymidfielder |
Haven't you heard? Corbyn actually won. At least thats what he and his supporters seem to think... |  | | |
| Next steps for government? on 09:32 - Jun 11 with 4348 views | Bluefish |
| Next steps for government? on 09:31 - Jun 11 by Lazymidfielder |
Haven't you heard? Corbyn actually won. At least thats what he and his supporters seem to think... |
Months banging on about democracy and now they want him installed undemocratically | |
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| Next steps for government? on 09:33 - Jun 11 with 4332 views | WD19 |
It's gameplay, in the same vein as his election manifesto.
The whole concept of an 'alternative queens speech' is constitutional nonsense. On a par with the 'alternative queens message' at Christmas.
But.....writing a compelling alternative queens speech is easy if you know you won't ever have to/get the chance to deliver it. It will be a hell of a lot more 'attractive' than a real queens speech hamstrung by reality. He can then spent the week's afterwards chucking stones.....which plays to His protestor strengths. |  | | |
| Next steps for government? on 09:35 - Jun 11 with 4336 views | GlasgowBlue |
If the DUP talks fail then My has to go straight away. That will trigger a leadership contest.
Corbyn can quite rightly claim that whilst that is happening he has a right to attempt to form a minority government, which is what May should have done anyway.
Obviously Corbyn doesn't have the numbers to get a Queen's speech through so we would have another election.
The momentum will be with Labour and the Tories are seen as being chaotic. There is a very good chance that we will have another hung Parliament but this time Labour will have the numbers to form a rainbow coalition. |  |
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| Next steps for government? on 09:40 - Jun 11 with 4318 views | lowhouseblue |
| Next steps for government? on 09:35 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
If the DUP talks fail then My has to go straight away. That will trigger a leadership contest.
Corbyn can quite rightly claim that whilst that is happening he has a right to attempt to form a minority government, which is what May should have done anyway.
Obviously Corbyn doesn't have the numbers to get a Queen's speech through so we would have another election.
The momentum will be with Labour and the Tories are seen as being chaotic. There is a very good chance that we will have another hung Parliament but this time Labour will have the numbers to form a rainbow coalition. |
i suspect the dup talks won't fail. it's then a matter of them trying to have enough stability so that they can replace may next year. i suspect that's still the most likely outcome.the tories need to do some serious repositioning before they contemplate another election. |  |
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| Next steps for government? on 09:44 - Jun 11 with 4298 views | giant_stow |
Caroline Lucas for pm 'leading' an issue by issue parliament - true democracy! [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 9:46]
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| Next steps for government? on 09:53 - Jun 11 with 4237 views | WD19 |
| Next steps for government? on 09:44 - Jun 11 by giant_stow |
Caroline Lucas for pm 'leading' an issue by issue parliament - true democracy! [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 9:46]
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Would they do a better job of running a country than they did of running Brighton? | | | |
| Next steps for government? on 10:05 - Jun 11 with 4206 views | blueblueburleymcgrew |
| Next steps for government? on 09:40 - Jun 11 by lowhouseblue |
i suspect the dup talks won't fail. it's then a matter of them trying to have enough stability so that they can replace may next year. i suspect that's still the most likely outcome.the tories need to do some serious repositioning before they contemplate another election. |
Yes they would almost certainly lose an election right now.
Can Corbyn unite the PLP and be a worthy and credible opposition leader, Tories best hope right now is that Corbyn and the party return to type. |  | | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:08 - Jun 11 with 4196 views | vapour_trail |
| Next steps for government? on 09:32 - Jun 11 by Bluefish |
Months banging on about democracy and now they want him installed undemocratically |
You clearly don't understand our parliamentary system. |  |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:12 - Jun 11 with 4183 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Next steps for government? on 10:05 - Jun 11 by blueblueburleymcgrew |
Yes they would almost certainly lose an election right now.
Can Corbyn unite the PLP and be a worthy and credible opposition leader, Tories best hope right now is that Corbyn and the party return to type. |
The last six weeks have shown that Corbyn is an incredible campaigner. The last two years have shown he is an absolutely appalling leader of the opposition in Parliament. | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:13 - Jun 11 with 4182 views | lowhouseblue |
| Next steps for government? on 10:05 - Jun 11 by blueblueburleymcgrew |
Yes they would almost certainly lose an election right now.
Can Corbyn unite the PLP and be a worthy and credible opposition leader, Tories best hope right now is that Corbyn and the party return to type. |
the challenge for corbyn and momentum is not to act as if they won. they need to properly understand why they did so much better than expected -and recognise that a lot of their votes were an anti-may protest in the knowledge that there was no chance of labour winning. they need now to broaden their support - not believe that they already have sufficient support. more of what they have already offered won't do it. demonstrations and riots outside parliament won't do it. they need to get disillusioned tories to vote for then whenever the next election comes - they have already swept up every vote from the hard left, if they keep mining that vein it will get them nowhere.
but we are now in land of 'events dear boy'. what happens next will depend on things none of us can predict - the economy for example. | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:15 - Jun 11 with 4176 views | Bluefish |
| Next steps for government? on 10:08 - Jun 11 by vapour_trail |
You clearly don't understand our parliamentary system. |
You are looking for problems that aren't there to score points, i didn't say he would be i said they want him to be.......big difference in process | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:16 - Jun 11 with 4171 views | vapour_trail |
| Next steps for government? on 10:15 - Jun 11 by Bluefish |
You are looking for problems that aren't there to score points, i didn't say he would be i said they want him to be.......big difference in process |
I don't have any points to score.
Your posts over the last 24 hours are predominately just wrong. | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:17 - Jun 11 with 4168 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Next steps for government? on 10:08 - Jun 11 by vapour_trail |
You clearly don't understand our parliamentary system. |
The pro Corbyn protesters outside of Downing Street certainly don't. | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:20 - Jun 11 with 4152 views | Bluefish |
| Next steps for government? on 10:16 - Jun 11 by vapour_trail |
I don't have any points to score.
Your posts over the last 24 hours are predominately just wrong. |
Do explain why in bullet points sticking to facts. | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:20 - Jun 11 with 4148 views | Bluefish |
| Next steps for government? on 10:17 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
The pro Corbyn protesters outside of Downing Street certainly don't. |
Precisely, as per my point | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:22 - Jun 11 with 4131 views | vapour_trail |
| Next steps for government? on 10:17 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
The pro Corbyn protesters outside of Downing Street certainly don't. |
No, but they are complete morons. | |
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| Next steps for government? on 10:23 - Jun 11 with 4124 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Next steps for government? on 09:31 - Jun 11 by Lazymidfielder |
Haven't you heard? Corbyn actually won. At least thats what he and his supporters seem to think... |
He's admitted he didn't win on Marr this morning. Finally....
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| Next steps for government? on 10:27 - Jun 11 with 4113 views | blueblueburleymcgrew |
| Next steps for government? on 10:12 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
The last six weeks have shown that Corbyn is an incredible campaigner. The last two years have shown he is an absolutely appalling leader of the opposition in Parliament. |
This morning on Marr he is still in full on election mode looking almost statesman like - I'm assuming he simply can't keep this up when the day to day affairs of state return and the spotlight shifts from Corbyn the electioneer to Corbyn leader of the Labour Party in opposition. | | | |
| Next steps for government? on 15:27 - Jun 11 with 3994 views | No9 |
There are a number of things to consider.
The opposition must present an alternative to show it is a credible alternative should the government be defeated on any matter.
With Brexit as the most important thing on the horizon and the tories (in complete melt down) wanting to form a government with the DUP- who BTW, don't agree with the tories position on Brexit we could over the next 6 months or so continue the internal arguing in the tory party that has brought us to the mess we are in.
By making an alternative speech and taking a position that can be negotiated with other parties the official opposition is in a position to vote the gorernment down adn to drive Brexit in a diffferent way to which the tories (RW) want it to go.
Wait for what is in the tories Queens speech to see how they are going to progress. It could all blow up again if they can't get that though | | | |
| Next steps for government? on 15:39 - Jun 11 with 3985 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Next steps for government? on 10:13 - Jun 11 by lowhouseblue |
the challenge for corbyn and momentum is not to act as if they won. they need to properly understand why they did so much better than expected -and recognise that a lot of their votes were an anti-may protest in the knowledge that there was no chance of labour winning. they need now to broaden their support - not believe that they already have sufficient support. more of what they have already offered won't do it. demonstrations and riots outside parliament won't do it. they need to get disillusioned tories to vote for then whenever the next election comes - they have already swept up every vote from the hard left, if they keep mining that vein it will get them nowhere.
but we are now in land of 'events dear boy'. what happens next will depend on things none of us can predict - the economy for example. |
".....properly understand.......", meaning agree with you. Your arrogance has no bounds! |  |
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| Next steps for government? on 15:45 - Jun 11 with 3975 views | jaykay |
i expect grammar schools will be dropped from the queens speech |  |
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| Next steps for government? on 15:49 - Jun 11 with 3967 views | monytowbray |
| Next steps for government? on 10:13 - Jun 11 by lowhouseblue |
the challenge for corbyn and momentum is not to act as if they won. they need to properly understand why they did so much better than expected -and recognise that a lot of their votes were an anti-may protest in the knowledge that there was no chance of labour winning. they need now to broaden their support - not believe that they already have sufficient support. more of what they have already offered won't do it. demonstrations and riots outside parliament won't do it. they need to get disillusioned tories to vote for then whenever the next election comes - they have already swept up every vote from the hard left, if they keep mining that vein it will get them nowhere.
but we are now in land of 'events dear boy'. what happens next will depend on things none of us can predict - the economy for example. |
Based on your predictions these last two years, you'd probably be wise not to make them.
You are becoming the FlashBlue of TWTD politics. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 15:50]
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| Next steps for government? on 16:19 - Jun 11 with 3919 views | Coastalblue |
| Next steps for government? on 15:27 - Jun 11 by No9 |
There are a number of things to consider.
The opposition must present an alternative to show it is a credible alternative should the government be defeated on any matter.
With Brexit as the most important thing on the horizon and the tories (in complete melt down) wanting to form a government with the DUP- who BTW, don't agree with the tories position on Brexit we could over the next 6 months or so continue the internal arguing in the tory party that has brought us to the mess we are in.
By making an alternative speech and taking a position that can be negotiated with other parties the official opposition is in a position to vote the gorernment down adn to drive Brexit in a diffferent way to which the tories (RW) want it to go.
Wait for what is in the tories Queens speech to see how they are going to progress. It could all blow up again if they can't get that though |
The big issue with Brexit is that outside of Ukip none of the parties have a common cause, they were all split before the referendum and they are still split now.
The decision has been taken, the wrong one in my opinion but I'm willing to accept it, what we should do now is take away the negotiations from all of the parties and let people who knwo what they are doing get on with it. If that means a cross party committee then so be it. |  |
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