| New Orwell Bridge on 19:17 - Jun 18 with 11109 views | J2BLUE |
Isn't it to redirect the funds to the northern bypass? |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 19:33 - Jun 18 with 11043 views | BackToRussia |
I was happy about the plans but I can see his point too - would it be practical or is it more because it seems impressive that the enthusiasm has come.
They're cutting bus services but adding a new road bridge - surely he's right that basic stuff should be fixed before you go for big projects.
However, it seems like we're not going to get money for a northern bypass so if it's a case that in rejecting this we're left with nothing then perhaps it's better to take what we can get - investment follows investment.... |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 19:35 - Jun 18 with 11025 views | bluesimon |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:17 - Jun 18 by J2BLUE |
Isn't it to redirect the funds to the northern bypass? |
Nope. The money is non-transferable. It's take it or leave it. |  | | |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:36 - Jun 18 with 11010 views | Dubtractor |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:33 - Jun 18 by BackToRussia |
I was happy about the plans but I can see his point too - would it be practical or is it more because it seems impressive that the enthusiasm has come.
They're cutting bus services but adding a new road bridge - surely he's right that basic stuff should be fixed before you go for big projects.
However, it seems like we're not going to get money for a northern bypass so if it's a case that in rejecting this we're left with nothing then perhaps it's better to take what we can get - investment follows investment.... |
I think a lot of the issue is that for anyone who lives on landseer road, and all of the estates off it, the bridge would mean very high levels of extra traffic.
But yeah, probably better this than nothing at all. |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 19:37 - Jun 18 with 11004 views | No9 |
Building a new bridge will not help if there is no major investment in the rest of the infrastructure, it may in fact make things worse | | | |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:40 - Jun 18 with 10980 views | bournemouthblue |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:37 - Jun 18 by No9 |
Building a new bridge will not help if there is no major investment in the rest of the infrastructure, it may in fact make things worse |
Indeed, whilst it shortens the one way system for parts of the Town
I'm not convinced he infrastructure either side of it will handle it.
If the department of transport aren't prepared to switch the money, we'll get Ben's Bridge anyway.
We have also been told that Suffolk County Council have built up a £200 million surplus which would cover a Northern Bypass quite easily. What exactly are they saving that money up for? |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 19:43 - Jun 18 with 10966 views | Dubtractor |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:40 - Jun 18 by bournemouthblue |
Indeed, whilst it shortens the one way system for parts of the Town
I'm not convinced he infrastructure either side of it will handle it.
If the department of transport aren't prepared to switch the money, we'll get Ben's Bridge anyway.
We have also been told that Suffolk County Council have built up a £200 million surplus which would cover a Northern Bypass quite easily. What exactly are they saving that money up for? |
The SCC surplus has long been public knowledge.
Obviously it is prudent to keep some in the bank as contingency, but whether that amount is needed is another question.
Though I suspect a Northern bypass would cost a LOT more than £200 million. [Post edited 18 Jun 2017 19:44]
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| New Orwell Bridge on 19:47 - Jun 18 with 10924 views | blue_oyster |
Building more roads just creates more traffic. Amazing how people fail to grasp this concept. |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 19:52 - Jun 18 with 10894 views | bournemouthblue |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:43 - Jun 18 by Dubtractor |
The SCC surplus has long been public knowledge.
Obviously it is prudent to keep some in the bank as contingency, but whether that amount is needed is another question.
Though I suspect a Northern bypass would cost a LOT more than £200 million. [Post edited 18 Jun 2017 19:44]
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Previous quotes were around £100 million
A similar cost to Ben's Bridge | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 19:57 - Jun 18 with 10872 views | Freddies_Ears |
I don't understand what benefit this project will provide, other than to facilitate a Landseer Road / Wherstead Road diversion when the Orwell Bridge is closed. £100m for that seems steep.
A northern bypass is a far better option as it would divert other traffic as well as act as a far better Orwell Bridge detour.
Appreciate it isnt an either / or. | | | |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:59 - Jun 18 with 10857 views | bournemouthblue |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:57 - Jun 18 by Freddies_Ears |
I don't understand what benefit this project will provide, other than to facilitate a Landseer Road / Wherstead Road diversion when the Orwell Bridge is closed. £100m for that seems steep.
A northern bypass is a far better option as it would divert other traffic as well as act as a far better Orwell Bridge detour.
Appreciate it isnt an either / or. |
It will also lead to development in the North of the Town which the people of Westerfield and surrounding areas don't want for obvious reasons | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 20:02 - Jun 18 with 10835 views | Lord_Lucan |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:47 - Jun 18 by blue_oyster |
Building more roads just creates more traffic. Amazing how people fail to grasp this concept. |
Yes I believe the same argument existed in 1930.
Contested roads cause more pollution and ensure that no one can fulfill their work. |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 20:05 - Jun 18 with 10823 views | blue_oyster |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:02 - Jun 18 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes I believe the same argument existed in 1930.
Contested roads cause more pollution and ensure that no one can fulfill their work. |
Do you have a point? | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 20:16 - Jun 18 with 10780 views | sibrespace |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:47 - Jun 18 by blue_oyster |
Building more roads just creates more traffic. Amazing how people fail to grasp this concept. |
Fact: we all use the roads, even if you don't own or drive a car. Most of the food we eat and the clothes we wear have come by Road. Of course building roads creates more traffic eventually, it's how the modern world works. This is a project that will be a catalyst for regeneration of brownfield sites around the docks creating jobs. It will also provide an alternative route to Stoke Bridge/ Star Lane gyratory without having to take a detour of 3 miles to the Orwell Bridge. Ipswich has 3 major barriers to cross town traffic.. the River Orwell to the south, the pedestrianised town centre, and Christchurch Park to the north.
We need these bridges. We also need a northern bypass to link the northern fringe to the employment areas in Martlesham, Nacton, Claydon and Felixstowe. But no MP should be turning around to the government and saying "£100m? No thanks, that was a Tory idea and we don't want it because we are Labour". | | | |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:19 - Jun 18 with 10756 views | BackToRussia |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:16 - Jun 18 by sibrespace |
Fact: we all use the roads, even if you don't own or drive a car. Most of the food we eat and the clothes we wear have come by Road. Of course building roads creates more traffic eventually, it's how the modern world works. This is a project that will be a catalyst for regeneration of brownfield sites around the docks creating jobs. It will also provide an alternative route to Stoke Bridge/ Star Lane gyratory without having to take a detour of 3 miles to the Orwell Bridge. Ipswich has 3 major barriers to cross town traffic.. the River Orwell to the south, the pedestrianised town centre, and Christchurch Park to the north.
We need these bridges. We also need a northern bypass to link the northern fringe to the employment areas in Martlesham, Nacton, Claydon and Felixstowe. But no MP should be turning around to the government and saying "£100m? No thanks, that was a Tory idea and we don't want it because we are Labour". |
He's not actually said that last part tho has he. | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 20:25 - Jun 18 with 10728 views | Deano69 |
| New Orwell Bridge on 19:17 - Jun 18 by J2BLUE |
Isn't it to redirect the funds to the northern bypass? |
100m wouldn't touch the sides now. Be more like 1billion to do it now. |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 20:31 - Jun 18 with 10707 views | bournemouthblue |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:25 - Jun 18 by Deano69 |
100m wouldn't touch the sides now. Be more like 1billion to do it now. |
Is that a fact or an opinion? | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 20:44 - Jun 18 with 10650 views | imsureazzure |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:25 - Jun 18 by Deano69 |
100m wouldn't touch the sides now. Be more like 1billion to do it now. |
Roughly 25mil a mile for dual carriageway, is the by pass going via Diss? |  | | |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:47 - Jun 18 with 10640 views | wrightsrightglove |
Completely agree, if it was able to be redirected to the northern bypass then fair enough but it can't. A vanity project? Maybe, but by Christ Ipswich could do with a few vanity projects! The money will end up being used on a project in bury, Norwich or Cambridge to further highten their appeal over our town. I've written to him regarding the issue (no response as yet.) Also good to hear that petitions won't change his mind....clearly not interested in hearing the opinion of people in his town. | | | |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:56 - Jun 18 with 10601 views | Deano69 |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:31 - Jun 18 by bournemouthblue |
Is that a fact or an opinion? |
Not fact tbf, but all the compulsory land purchase and planning would be far in excess of £250m and then you have to build and maintain it.
If 100m builds a small bridge and a bit of road infrastructure can you imagine what between 10 and 20 miles with multiple junctions would cost?
Missed the opportunity 25+ years ago to do it, land is far too expensive now. | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 20:57 - Jun 18 with 10591 views | Deano69 |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:44 - Jun 18 by imsureazzure |
Roughly 25mil a mile for dual carriageway, is the by pass going via Diss? |
In that case the crossing they are looking at should but about 200k. | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 21:08 - Jun 18 with 10560 views | Dissblue |
I suspect he is angling for the 'Sandy Martin Northern By-pass' as he seems to think that the proposed bridge was a 'vanity project' for Ben Gummer. |  |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 21:39 - Jun 18 with 10477 views | The_Major |
The only way I could see that bridge working on the eastern bank is if they resurrect the idea of extending Sandy Hill Lane down to the bypass, and you can't do that because Pipers Vale is in the way. The only other option is to build a new road through the oil depot on Landseer Road (think it's disused now?) and have it skirt round the edge of Gainsborough and Ravenswood to come out on Nacton Road near Ransomes. But the cost would prohibit that.
Norwich is on the verge of getting a Northern bypass as well, but the difference between the two places is that a lot of traffic leaves Norwich heading north to Cromer, Wroxham and the Broads. Whereas I suspect with one around Ipswich, you could go from Claydon to Martlesham, have junctions with Henley and Westerfield Roads, and a spur into Kesgrave.
Or, if you want an absolutely never-gonna-happen idea, how about a tunnel under the estuary between Harwich and Felixstowe? |  | | |
| New Orwell Bridge on 21:53 - Jun 18 with 10428 views | bournemouthblue |
| New Orwell Bridge on 21:39 - Jun 18 by The_Major |
The only way I could see that bridge working on the eastern bank is if they resurrect the idea of extending Sandy Hill Lane down to the bypass, and you can't do that because Pipers Vale is in the way. The only other option is to build a new road through the oil depot on Landseer Road (think it's disused now?) and have it skirt round the edge of Gainsborough and Ravenswood to come out on Nacton Road near Ransomes. But the cost would prohibit that.
Norwich is on the verge of getting a Northern bypass as well, but the difference between the two places is that a lot of traffic leaves Norwich heading north to Cromer, Wroxham and the Broads. Whereas I suspect with one around Ipswich, you could go from Claydon to Martlesham, have junctions with Henley and Westerfield Roads, and a spur into Kesgrave.
Or, if you want an absolutely never-gonna-happen idea, how about a tunnel under the estuary between Harwich and Felixstowe? |
Norwich doesn't have a major container port to one side of it though, Ipswich surely needs the Northern Bypass more than Norwich? | |
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| New Orwell Bridge on 22:00 - Jun 18 with 10396 views | blue_oyster |
| New Orwell Bridge on 20:16 - Jun 18 by sibrespace |
Fact: we all use the roads, even if you don't own or drive a car. Most of the food we eat and the clothes we wear have come by Road. Of course building roads creates more traffic eventually, it's how the modern world works. This is a project that will be a catalyst for regeneration of brownfield sites around the docks creating jobs. It will also provide an alternative route to Stoke Bridge/ Star Lane gyratory without having to take a detour of 3 miles to the Orwell Bridge. Ipswich has 3 major barriers to cross town traffic.. the River Orwell to the south, the pedestrianised town centre, and Christchurch Park to the north.
We need these bridges. We also need a northern bypass to link the northern fringe to the employment areas in Martlesham, Nacton, Claydon and Felixstowe. But no MP should be turning around to the government and saying "£100m? No thanks, that was a Tory idea and we don't want it because we are Labour". |
You all use the roads because you are forced to, being no practical alternative. | |
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