| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR 11:24 - Jan 10 with 4695 views | unstableblue |
263 games for Mick W 100, D 73 and not up to 90 defeats. 38 win %. 4% down on Royle which is large, 7.5% behind Burley. And potentially will fall behind Jim Magilton's 37.8%.
Good chance in those 19 games he could end up with almost as many defeats as wins.
Mick did a good job at the start, a pressing and direct style that won over a lot of fans, started to lose a few, then the number of negative displays and lack of attach started to rise as results waned. Things pepped up this season, and some performance of real merit against the likes of a weak Sunderland, and Forest. Mick has certainly bought well. And he's been really hampered by injury,
Certainly you can say Mick saved us from relegation, punched well above out budgetary weight in table finishes in the first few seasons.
But I can't help feel his legacy will be the loss of a lot of fans due to style. I personally would have preferred some of the mid table finishes with a manager who was at least trying to entertain and play the ball on the floor more, rather the dour pragmatism of so many of our displays.
We desperately need a change of manager; fans need a boost, need to start bringing the stay aways back with some fresh ideas and a fresh style of football.
Really wish Marcus would do it now, I'm sure a lot of fans like me would return just to give the new guy a chance and see what ideas can be brought.
It's going to be a shame that Mick's tenure will end on this sour note, especially as the injury crisis is out of his hands.
One final point, someone made a good point about ways to improve is to bake the academy players progression into the first team. However, one negative at Town at present is that the Academy is developing a style of play that is different to the first team. Good clubs have the football style ethos running down through the club. I'm not sure youth can truly progress at present in this team.
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 11:35 - Jan 10 with 4654 views | Herbivore |
Immediately after he goes he'll be viewed generally negatively but I think in 5-10 years time people will appreciate that he's done a good job here in difficult circumstances.
Interesting that you highlight that his legacy will be about losing fans, in his first full season here (2013/14) our average attendance was 16,654 which is more or less identical to our average attendance this season. He's lost the fans he gained in 14/15 over the past couple of years but attendances overall have held up better under Mick than any of his 4 predecessors. |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 11:50 - Jan 10 with 4611 views | Bluefish |
I think Mick will be seen as the guy that lost the fans despite doing a good job but i think it runs deeper. From here on football has completely changed and Ipswich have been left behind, this isn't because of Mick really and if anything the play off year almost allowed us to tag along on the ride but we just fell short. Marcus came in because he saw the boom and wanted it but the f*ck with his 2 appointments completely missed the boat and the game was gone. All of this is history but the gap now is enormous and we are a forgotten team.
It didn't matter who was in charge for the past 3 seasons Ipswich are out of their depth and many fans have given up and need to blame someone. We punched above Our weight in different times and this bought us supporters from all over land but if they could start supporting us based on success they could leave just as easily due to a lack of success. We are being reduced now to a hard-core support again and it shows that we are a small club albeit one with a proud history. We have no given right to be at the top table and sadly the top table have made it virtually impossible to gatecrash.
Ffp has destroyed clubs of our size when it was supposed to protect us. The big clubs have now found a way to distance themelves further and not have clubs like us gatecrash their party. We tried to buy our way up under keane but then got scared by ffp after it went wrong, others have pushed the rules and found them toothless but again we have missed the boat.
Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again and someone has to carry the can locally despite it being a culmination of many factors, most of which were out of our control |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 11:55 - Jan 10 with 4591 views | Guthrum |
Is he missing the final game of the season?  |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 12:10 - Jan 10 with 4561 views | No9 |
Since MM arrived the midfield has been a major problem which he as team manager has done littleor nothing to resolve - that wouldn't be tolerated at many football clubs. He ran two or more seasons with the Skipper - a CD at RB, not many were happy with that again I don't think that would be tolerated at many other clubs.
Then there have been the often strange team selections & tactics + strange substitutions.
All of this points to the fact that he, MM has been running the football side of things, his way.
Hid overall record as a manager isn't very good.
After 5 years and things going the wrong way it is time for MM to go and seek work elsewhere.
All we, as punters can do, is to hope Mr Evans advisors provide better advice next time.
Getting out of Div 2 may be difficult but staying in isn't
Time for a change |  | | |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 12:14 - Jan 10 with 4545 views | homer_123 |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 11:50 - Jan 10 by Bluefish |
I think Mick will be seen as the guy that lost the fans despite doing a good job but i think it runs deeper. From here on football has completely changed and Ipswich have been left behind, this isn't because of Mick really and if anything the play off year almost allowed us to tag along on the ride but we just fell short. Marcus came in because he saw the boom and wanted it but the f*ck with his 2 appointments completely missed the boat and the game was gone. All of this is history but the gap now is enormous and we are a forgotten team.
It didn't matter who was in charge for the past 3 seasons Ipswich are out of their depth and many fans have given up and need to blame someone. We punched above Our weight in different times and this bought us supporters from all over land but if they could start supporting us based on success they could leave just as easily due to a lack of success. We are being reduced now to a hard-core support again and it shows that we are a small club albeit one with a proud history. We have no given right to be at the top table and sadly the top table have made it virtually impossible to gatecrash.
Ffp has destroyed clubs of our size when it was supposed to protect us. The big clubs have now found a way to distance themelves further and not have clubs like us gatecrash their party. We tried to buy our way up under keane but then got scared by ffp after it went wrong, others have pushed the rules and found them toothless but again we have missed the boat.
Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again and someone has to carry the can locally despite it being a culmination of many factors, most of which were out of our control |
'Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again...'
We were never a big club - ever. |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 12:17 - Jan 10 with 4524 views | Swailsey |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 12:14 - Jan 10 by homer_123 |
'Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again...'
We were never a big club - ever. |
*sits back with tea* |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 12:22 - Jan 10 with 4510 views | Johnny_Boy |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 11:50 - Jan 10 by Bluefish |
I think Mick will be seen as the guy that lost the fans despite doing a good job but i think it runs deeper. From here on football has completely changed and Ipswich have been left behind, this isn't because of Mick really and if anything the play off year almost allowed us to tag along on the ride but we just fell short. Marcus came in because he saw the boom and wanted it but the f*ck with his 2 appointments completely missed the boat and the game was gone. All of this is history but the gap now is enormous and we are a forgotten team.
It didn't matter who was in charge for the past 3 seasons Ipswich are out of their depth and many fans have given up and need to blame someone. We punched above Our weight in different times and this bought us supporters from all over land but if they could start supporting us based on success they could leave just as easily due to a lack of success. We are being reduced now to a hard-core support again and it shows that we are a small club albeit one with a proud history. We have no given right to be at the top table and sadly the top table have made it virtually impossible to gatecrash.
Ffp has destroyed clubs of our size when it was supposed to protect us. The big clubs have now found a way to distance themelves further and not have clubs like us gatecrash their party. We tried to buy our way up under keane but then got scared by ffp after it went wrong, others have pushed the rules and found them toothless but again we have missed the boat.
Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again and someone has to carry the can locally despite it being a culmination of many factors, most of which were out of our control |
Do you think we are bigger than PNE, Sheff Utd, Millwall?
Just asking. Like. |  | | |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 13:00 - Jan 10 with 4409 views | FinidiCentenary |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 12:14 - Jan 10 by homer_123 |
'Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again...'
We were never a big club - ever. |
Of course we were.
For a decade we finished in the top 6 almost every season bar 1978 and finished in second or third a good number of times, got to semi finals, won a domestic cup and a European cup. It's not like when Fulham or Middlebrough reached a European final.
We were still not as big as 3 or 4 other clubs. You could argue Watford and QPR and Southampton and other teams like that which finished runners up or third, same with Norwich in 1992 (not a knowingly unnecessary dig) were not big clubs, they just had good seasons.
If you can challenge for the title most years in a decade you become a big club. Not the biggest and without you honours being won you won't stay a big club but we were one for a while, just not anywhere near the biggest. | |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 13:25 - Jan 10 with 4352 views | Herbivore |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 13:00 - Jan 10 by FinidiCentenary |
Of course we were.
For a decade we finished in the top 6 almost every season bar 1978 and finished in second or third a good number of times, got to semi finals, won a domestic cup and a European cup. It's not like when Fulham or Middlebrough reached a European final.
We were still not as big as 3 or 4 other clubs. You could argue Watford and QPR and Southampton and other teams like that which finished runners up or third, same with Norwich in 1992 (not a knowingly unnecessary dig) were not big clubs, they just had good seasons.
If you can challenge for the title most years in a decade you become a big club. Not the biggest and without you honours being won you won't stay a big club but we were one for a while, just not anywhere near the biggest. |
Being a big club is more than about having a bit of temporary success that yields two trophies in a decade. | |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 13:32 - Jan 10 with 4332 views | FinidiCentenary |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 13:25 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
Being a big club is more than about having a bit of temporary success that yields two trophies in a decade. |
There was a proper study into this about a year ago that took into account league position, trophies, crowds, international reputation, how recent success was and I believe we 19th in England as a result.
Had the same been done in 1982 we'd have easily been in the top half a dozen clubs. We are one of only about 10 English clubs to win a European trophy, one of only about 30 clubs to win the FA Cup and one of about only 30 clubs to have won the top division.
Unless you are going to count in crowds, which really shouldn't be given so much credit because (quelle surprise Leeds, with nearly 1m people can get 1.5 x bigger crowds than Ipswich with it's 150,000 people) then surely what we were achieving regularly back then would make us a big club at the time.
Everyone who knew anything about football in the early 80's would have said we were a big club. Behind Man Utd, Liverpool, Leeds, Arsenal, Spurs etc who else was bigger than us then? The success of West Brom, Wolves, Huddersfield was as relevant then as ours in the 80's in now. | |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 14:32 - Jan 10 with 4265 views | Binner |
In a couple of years time, on the long journey back from a Johnston Paints Trophy defeat at Exeter or a league defeat at Fleetwood leaving us in League 1 relegation zone, we'll look back at MM's stats and they'll show that he kept us competitive in a very tough division. |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 15:08 - Jan 10 with 4214 views | Illinoisblue |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 12:22 - Jan 10 by Johnny_Boy |
Do you think we are bigger than PNE, Sheff Utd, Millwall?
Just asking. Like. |
we're bigger than two of those |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 15:21 - Jan 10 with 4191 views | rickw |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 15:08 - Jan 10 by Illinoisblue |
we're bigger than two of those |
One of the things that has affected our status as a big club in the Championship is what teams and in what league now.
What I mean by that is in the Premier League are clubs such as Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Swansea, Huddersfield - who all 10 years ago were far smaller clubs than us.
Where-as in the Championship we have Leeds, Villa, Sunderland & Forest - clubs who have all had huge success in the past and still expect to be in the Premier League |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 15:40 - Jan 10 with 4168 views | Keaneish |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 11:50 - Jan 10 by Bluefish |
I think Mick will be seen as the guy that lost the fans despite doing a good job but i think it runs deeper. From here on football has completely changed and Ipswich have been left behind, this isn't because of Mick really and if anything the play off year almost allowed us to tag along on the ride but we just fell short. Marcus came in because he saw the boom and wanted it but the f*ck with his 2 appointments completely missed the boat and the game was gone. All of this is history but the gap now is enormous and we are a forgotten team.
It didn't matter who was in charge for the past 3 seasons Ipswich are out of their depth and many fans have given up and need to blame someone. We punched above Our weight in different times and this bought us supporters from all over land but if they could start supporting us based on success they could leave just as easily due to a lack of success. We are being reduced now to a hard-core support again and it shows that we are a small club albeit one with a proud history. We have no given right to be at the top table and sadly the top table have made it virtually impossible to gatecrash.
Ffp has destroyed clubs of our size when it was supposed to protect us. The big clubs have now found a way to distance themelves further and not have clubs like us gatecrash their party. We tried to buy our way up under keane but then got scared by ffp after it went wrong, others have pushed the rules and found them toothless but again we have missed the boat.
Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again and someone has to carry the can locally despite it being a culmination of many factors, most of which were out of our control |
Fk me. Most impartial and honest thing i've seen you write and i actually for once, agree with everything you've written, well, 95%.
The only thing i'd contradict is the mindset that fans can't force change at this club. I don't think all the stay away fans have given up on Town, i think they feel as disenfranchised with the club as ever rather than staying away due to lack of success on the pitch. Again, many contributing factors for this but MM has become a focal point, largely due to his abrasive nature and style of football. Reality is, we're a club and a community in decline. The club will never die, there's a social responsibility to keep it going as its the only establishment in the community of any value but under Evans, how far will we fall first if this situation perpetuates? |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 08:41 - Jan 11 with 3940 views | J2BLUE |
Points per game would be a better stat. Obviously it would be a rough guide unless someone wanted to go back and select just league games but it’s still a better indicator than win percentage.
Take MM’s cup games out and his stats would be much better. |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 08:53 - Jan 11 with 3922 views | itfcjoe |
For me he saved us from relegation, gave us a couple of good seasons and then ran out of ideas whilst trying to survive on a budget that isn't really fit to compete in this position.
It needs freshening up - but I think his reign will be looked back on fondly in a few years for what he did.
There are very few clubs that are linked closely to their academies these days - academies are about producing first team footballers now, nothing more. Unless you are Barcelona you can't play a style all through the club - all academy teams play the same way now; whether their first teams play that way as well is just a co-incidence now |  |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 08:57 - Jan 11 with 3912 views | itfcjoe |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 15:40 - Jan 10 by Keaneish |
Fk me. Most impartial and honest thing i've seen you write and i actually for once, agree with everything you've written, well, 95%.
The only thing i'd contradict is the mindset that fans can't force change at this club. I don't think all the stay away fans have given up on Town, i think they feel as disenfranchised with the club as ever rather than staying away due to lack of success on the pitch. Again, many contributing factors for this but MM has become a focal point, largely due to his abrasive nature and style of football. Reality is, we're a club and a community in decline. The club will never die, there's a social responsibility to keep it going as its the only establishment in the community of any value but under Evans, how far will we fall first if this situation perpetuates? |
Mick is the lightning rod for criticism and the fact he takes the flak he deserves as well as all that what Evans and anyone else deserves is why Evans pays him so handsomely | |
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| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 09:19 - Jan 11 with 3894 views | TractorWood |
| 19 games of Mick's tenure to go.. how will his stats record his time at PR on 11:50 - Jan 10 by Bluefish |
I think Mick will be seen as the guy that lost the fans despite doing a good job but i think it runs deeper. From here on football has completely changed and Ipswich have been left behind, this isn't because of Mick really and if anything the play off year almost allowed us to tag along on the ride but we just fell short. Marcus came in because he saw the boom and wanted it but the f*ck with his 2 appointments completely missed the boat and the game was gone. All of this is history but the gap now is enormous and we are a forgotten team.
It didn't matter who was in charge for the past 3 seasons Ipswich are out of their depth and many fans have given up and need to blame someone. We punched above Our weight in different times and this bought us supporters from all over land but if they could start supporting us based on success they could leave just as easily due to a lack of success. We are being reduced now to a hard-core support again and it shows that we are a small club albeit one with a proud history. We have no given right to be at the top table and sadly the top table have made it virtually impossible to gatecrash.
Ffp has destroyed clubs of our size when it was supposed to protect us. The big clubs have now found a way to distance themelves further and not have clubs like us gatecrash their party. We tried to buy our way up under keane but then got scared by ffp after it went wrong, others have pushed the rules and found them toothless but again we have missed the boat.
Fans are going to get fed up that we aren't big and probably can't ever be again and someone has to carry the can locally despite it being a culmination of many factors, most of which were out of our control |
Fair. His tenure split into two for me. Firstly the 3/4 years to the end of 15/16 where we were competitive, horrible to play against and as solid as rock. Then secondly the period subsequent to that when that competitive beast started to falter and the results started to get worse and saw us ultimately drift into this inconsistent limbo. It's a results business and some of the tactics, selections and transfers got increasingly scrutinised as we simply weren't getting the results on the pitch.
MM's done a good job holistically given the blatantly obvious financial hamstringing. When people have moved on from the initial departure at the end of the season (we suspect) they will probably concede this. I'll stop firmly short of 'be careful what you wish for' for a number of reasons. Firstly, MM's results driven, direct approach is not a sustainable strategy to fight promotion campaigns. It either works once or it never will and that was 14/15 where we were excellent but ultimately materially short of a credible promotion effort.
Secondly, if Evans is to remain our owner for the foreseeable, his strategy needs better definition around playing youth and creating an ethos in the first team that is consistent with our academy set up. A MM type character is not conducive to this and to me, undermined that 5 point plan that came out 12/18 months ago when we clearly had no direction.
We need a strategy to take the club forward and progress, the new manager needs to embody an ethos that might get us up. We had this under MM in 14/15 but it's long gone and someone new needs a good go and to challenge the well established but lacklustre status quo here. |  |
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