| Corbyn just made I laugh 09:51 - Mar 17 with 17497 views | Lord_Lucan |
Interviewer; "Do you want to leave or remain in the EU"
Corbyn; "What I want to do is build a relationship with the EU.........................."
Interviewer; "That wasn't what I asked"
Corbyn; "No I know it wasn't but what I'm trying to help you say.................."
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 13:57 - Mar 17 with 5100 views | WeWereZombies |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 13:43 - Mar 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If 43% want a hard Brexit then I can't see it. (I imagine the missing 7% are leavers but not on May's terms....where are you getting the 20M/14M from? [Post edited 17 Mar 2019 13:43]
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Have you read the article you posted a link to? Can you not perform just a bit of simple multiplication for yourself?
OK, I will show my workings:
46% of, say 43 million, voting is 20 million and 36% is 14 million in rough terms.
20 million is, again in rough terms, 60% of 34 million and 14 million is 40% - not difficult is it?
I could give you answers to five decimal places rather than working it out in my head but there is an assumption of an improved turnout and I do not know the basis of the poll from The Guardian so have kept it broadbrush. MIght turn out to be 75% Remain to 25% Leave but it will be a majority to Remain now - if we are ever given the chance to have a say and there is no guarantee that a Labour Party under Corbyn will respect what so many of it's supporters hope for. |  |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:23 - Mar 17 with 5072 views | ballycastle |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 12:28 - Mar 17 by WeWereZombies |
It is way less than seventeen million now and you know it... |
How do you know it? It is pure speculation, the remainers believed religiously that they would win easily, secondly if the silly ones stopped calling it a "peoples vote" they may sway some to accept it, it is a childlike adjective. |  | | |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:23 - Mar 17 with 5069 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 13:57 - Mar 17 by WeWereZombies |
Have you read the article you posted a link to? Can you not perform just a bit of simple multiplication for yourself?
OK, I will show my workings:
46% of, say 43 million, voting is 20 million and 36% is 14 million in rough terms.
20 million is, again in rough terms, 60% of 34 million and 14 million is 40% - not difficult is it?
I could give you answers to five decimal places rather than working it out in my head but there is an assumption of an improved turnout and I do not know the basis of the poll from The Guardian so have kept it broadbrush. MIght turn out to be 75% Remain to 25% Leave but it will be a majority to Remain now - if we are ever given the chance to have a say and there is no guarantee that a Labour Party under Corbyn will respect what so many of it's supporters hope for. |
43 per cent of 43 M = 18.5 million so that must be 4.5 Million remain voters favouring a hard brexit. I think you may be seeing what you want to see! |  |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:27 - Mar 17 with 5068 views | WeWereZombies |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:23 - Mar 17 by ballycastle |
How do you know it? It is pure speculation, the remainers believed religiously that they would win easily, secondly if the silly ones stopped calling it a "peoples vote" they may sway some to accept it, it is a childlike adjective. |
See above workings... | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:28 - Mar 17 with 5067 views | WeWereZombies |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:23 - Mar 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
43 per cent of 43 M = 18.5 million so that must be 4.5 Million remain voters favouring a hard brexit. I think you may be seeing what you want to see! |
err, it's 46% - not 43%. Re-read the article, stop accusing me of being subjective, thank you. | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:19 - Mar 17 with 5026 views | britbiker |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 12:09 - Mar 17 by WeWereZombies |
As has been pointed out so many times now the June 2016 gave no clear mandate to leave the European Union, perhaps a second referendum could give a clearer one but I suspect that remaining would be the decisive result, no idea what percentage but bigger than 52% of 70%. Get that out of the way and then the real business of improving social justice can start. All that the continuance of this leaving diversion is doing is putting off addressing the vital issues like poverty, poor response to climate change and social breakdown that the Labour Party should tackle. An alternative is needed and the appetite is there as soon as a capable group of politicians give the electorate some leadership. |
Could it also be argued that the 'Remain' vote not accepting the decision has also caused a lot of the delays thus the government not being able to get on with dealing with social issues? |  | | |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:29 - Mar 17 with 5016 views | pickles110564 |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 13:57 - Mar 17 by WeWereZombies |
Have you read the article you posted a link to? Can you not perform just a bit of simple multiplication for yourself?
OK, I will show my workings:
46% of, say 43 million, voting is 20 million and 36% is 14 million in rough terms.
20 million is, again in rough terms, 60% of 34 million and 14 million is 40% - not difficult is it?
I could give you answers to five decimal places rather than working it out in my head but there is an assumption of an improved turnout and I do not know the basis of the poll from The Guardian so have kept it broadbrush. MIght turn out to be 75% Remain to 25% Leave but it will be a majority to Remain now - if we are ever given the chance to have a say and there is no guarantee that a Labour Party under Corbyn will respect what so many of it's supporters hope for. |
of all the people i know that voted leave none have changed their position, i also know of youngsters that could not vote before now wanting to vote leave. |  | | |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:31 - Mar 17 with 5006 views | pickles110564 |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 11:52 - Mar 17 by WeWereZombies |
Nothing but a second referendum with Remain as an option is sufficient to heal the divisions in our state. |
Nope that will cause even more division and un rest | | | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:33 - Mar 17 with 5005 views | XYZ |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:19 - Mar 17 by britbiker |
Could it also be argued that the 'Remain' vote not accepting the decision has also caused a lot of the delays thus the government not being able to get on with dealing with social issues? |
No, it couldn't. | | | |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:48 - Mar 17 with 4992 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 13:41 - Mar 17 by Darth_Koont |
No, the bare facts are that on the 23rd of June 2016, 52% voted that the United Kingdom should leave the European Union in an advisory, constitutionally non-binding referendum.
We're perfectly free to take another look based on subsequent facts about the campaigns and the now known difficulties of leaving without causing major upheaval and damage, particularly in Northern Ireland.
The clear mandate to leave, if it ever existed, certainly doesn't exist now. |
The public were told that the result of the referendum would be implemented, it's as simple as that . We lost.
The question was in or out, there was no mention of a soft or hard brexit. If there were another referendum I think that the leave campaign would arguably win with a higher percentage.
Whatever happens from now there will be a massive division in the UK that will take a generation to heal. Remainers have acted like a load of spoilt kids.
Let's just say there was another referendum, what do you think the questions should be? | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 16:44 - Mar 17 with 4963 views | Pinewoodblue |
This thread has moved on from the original post so, to avoid another Brexit thread, will ask a question on here.
If May's deal is rejected again, or she doesn't have another meaningful vote, she goes to Brussels and asked for an extension of A50 she presumably needs to pass a bill through both houses of Parliament. How is HoL likely to vote. |  |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 16:52 - Mar 17 with 4949 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:28 - Mar 17 by WeWereZombies |
err, it's 46% - not 43%. Re-read the article, stop accusing me of being subjective, thank you. |
43% want to leave with no deal......resisting the urge for shouty CAPITAL LETTERS! | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 16:53 - Mar 17 with 4946 views | J2BLUE |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 16:44 - Mar 17 by Pinewoodblue |
This thread has moved on from the original post so, to avoid another Brexit thread, will ask a question on here.
If May's deal is rejected again, or she doesn't have another meaningful vote, she goes to Brussels and asked for an extension of A50 she presumably needs to pass a bill through both houses of Parliament. How is HoL likely to vote. |
HoL would pass it with a landslide vote. |  |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:03 - Mar 17 with 4933 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:28 - Mar 17 by WeWereZombies |
err, it's 46% - not 43%. Re-read the article, stop accusing me of being subjective, thank you. |
"The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.
If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal."
....so the 36% would be the 43% happy to go hard brexit less 7% (give or take) who hate May's deal so much they would refuse it outright. Your 60/40 extrapolation is a thing of your imagination.
Edit ......in fact it's nearer 60/40 the other way as only 46% are saying that given another go they would vote remain....meaning 54% wouldn't !! [Post edited 17 Mar 2019 17:08]
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:08 - Mar 17 with 4923 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:48 - Mar 17 by Lord_Lucan |
The public were told that the result of the referendum would be implemented, it's as simple as that . We lost.
The question was in or out, there was no mention of a soft or hard brexit. If there were another referendum I think that the leave campaign would arguably win with a higher percentage.
Whatever happens from now there will be a massive division in the UK that will take a generation to heal. Remainers have acted like a load of spoilt kids.
Let's just say there was another referendum, what do you think the questions should be? |
Told by whom? Party politicians who even fewer people voted for?
There's no binding and constitutional agreement to leave the EU come what may three years down the line. Which is why it's all going through the HoC. |  |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:14 - Mar 17 with 4909 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:08 - Mar 17 by Darth_Koont |
Told by whom? Party politicians who even fewer people voted for?
There's no binding and constitutional agreement to leave the EU come what may three years down the line. Which is why it's all going through the HoC. |
"The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union. The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU. This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country — a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving. This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide."
.....from the tax payer financed government leaflet sent to every household. | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:28 - Mar 17 with 4898 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:29 - Mar 17 by pickles110564 |
of all the people i know that voted leave none have changed their position, i also know of youngsters that could not vote before now wanting to vote leave. |
Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681
Dated 2016. From your esteemed leader.... |  |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:30 - Mar 17 with 4894 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:08 - Mar 17 by Darth_Koont |
Told by whom? Party politicians who even fewer people voted for?
There's no binding and constitutional agreement to leave the EU come what may three years down the line. Which is why it's all going through the HoC. |
Under the European Union Referendum Act 2015 this is technically correct but the text below from the PRO REMAIN Government referendum leaflet which was sent to every house in the UK says “This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide”.
If we had won the referendum you would be sticking it down the throat of every leaver who dared to question the result. Stinks of double standards to me.
A once in a generation decision
The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide
if we should remain in or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK
to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen
the UK’s economy for every family in this country — a clear path
into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what
you decide. [Post edited 17 Mar 2019 17:32]
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:31 - Mar 17 with 4888 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Ee up Newcy....good day yesterday, did Misses Newcy come too? | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:32 - Mar 17 with 4886 views | m14_blue |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 15:19 - Mar 17 by britbiker |
Could it also be argued that the 'Remain' vote not accepting the decision has also caused a lot of the delays thus the government not being able to get on with dealing with social issues? |
Not really, no. | | | |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:35 - Mar 17 with 4874 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:31 - Mar 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Ee up Newcy....good day yesterday, did Misses Newcy come too? |
Hope not. She stayed at home... | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:36 - Mar 17 with 4871 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 14:23 - Mar 17 by ballycastle |
How do you know it? It is pure speculation, the remainers believed religiously that they would win easily, secondly if the silly ones stopped calling it a "peoples vote" they may sway some to accept it, it is a childlike adjective. |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681
Farage believed. Believed that a second referendum would be needed in the event of the vote being 52-48 | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:38 - Mar 17 with 4858 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:30 - Mar 17 by Lord_Lucan |
Under the European Union Referendum Act 2015 this is technically correct but the text below from the PRO REMAIN Government referendum leaflet which was sent to every house in the UK says “This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide”.
If we had won the referendum you would be sticking it down the throat of every leaver who dared to question the result. Stinks of double standards to me.
A once in a generation decision
The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide
if we should remain in or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK
to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen
the UK’s economy for every family in this country — a clear path
into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what
you decide. [Post edited 17 Mar 2019 17:32]
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Narrow remain wouldn’t have stopped Farage campaigning for another vote.
If a self serving bellend like that can, then I see no issue with a People’s Vote. | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:41 - Mar 17 with 4849 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:14 - Mar 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union. The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU. This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country — a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving. This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide."
.....from the tax payer financed government leaflet sent to every household. |
The government that promised that is no more.
As a businessman would you continue to plough money into a strategy if you knew the short term risks would put some of your lowest paid workers out of a job?
When you don’t know what the long term gain will actually be?
When you will be handing over the business to your boy in 5 years?
When you have bills that a business partner is helping out with now, funding different areas of the business in a sort of rebate fashion?
All hypothetical. I am sure as a prudent man you would say no. | |
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| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:51 - Mar 17 with 4829 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Corbyn just made I laugh on 17:38 - Mar 17 by NewcyBlue |
Narrow remain wouldn’t have stopped Farage campaigning for another vote.
If a self serving bellend like that can, then I see no issue with a People’s Vote. |
That's a possibility that I accept, but Farage is Farage, he would campaign until he is dead but that would not have made him correct. | |
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