| Should rape victims give their phones to the police 18:42 - Apr 29 with 4156 views | gtsb |
If it means that some cases can be cleared up very quickly with the correct outcome then it is a yes from me. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48086244 |  | | |  |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:46 - Apr 29 with 2522 views | footers |
It should depend on what the victim wants. It would need a lot of tact and care from the police to persuade them to do so. Especially since they may well have been talking to friends and family about the trauma. Not sure I'd want some copper poking around my phone immediately after that.
If it could help build the case in the long term then maybe wait for the victim to make a decision ahead of the trial. But asking for it straight away would be tactless imo. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:50 - Apr 29 with 2510 views | gtsb |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:46 - Apr 29 by footers |
It should depend on what the victim wants. It would need a lot of tact and care from the police to persuade them to do so. Especially since they may well have been talking to friends and family about the trauma. Not sure I'd want some copper poking around my phone immediately after that.
If it could help build the case in the long term then maybe wait for the victim to make a decision ahead of the trial. But asking for it straight away would be tactless imo. |
What happens if the accused is actually the victim. Vital evidence could be lost. It's a difficult one I agree. | | | |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:51 - Apr 29 with 2501 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Yes.
If it helps the victims get justice, then it's positive.
If it weeds out people making false allegations or hiding evidence, then it's also positive. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:52 - Apr 29 with 2491 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:46 - Apr 29 by footers |
It should depend on what the victim wants. It would need a lot of tact and care from the police to persuade them to do so. Especially since they may well have been talking to friends and family about the trauma. Not sure I'd want some copper poking around my phone immediately after that.
If it could help build the case in the long term then maybe wait for the victim to make a decision ahead of the trial. But asking for it straight away would be tactless imo. |
If it becomes the norm. Then I don't see any problem.
The victim will know the process. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:53 - Apr 29 with 2489 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:50 - Apr 29 by gtsb |
What happens if the accused is actually the victim. Vital evidence could be lost. It's a difficult one I agree. |
Agreed. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:55 - Apr 29 with 2471 views | footers |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:52 - Apr 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
If it becomes the norm. Then I don't see any problem.
The victim will know the process. |
And may therefore not wish to report the crime.
It's such a complex, personal crime I really think it should be at the victim's discretion. They've already taken the very difficult first step of reporting it to the police- that relationship should remain as unobtrusive as possible if that's what the victim wants, imo. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:57 - Apr 29 with 2465 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:55 - Apr 29 by footers |
And may therefore not wish to report the crime.
It's such a complex, personal crime I really think it should be at the victim's discretion. They've already taken the very difficult first step of reporting it to the police- that relationship should remain as unobtrusive as possible if that's what the victim wants, imo. |
Why stop at only sexual assault crimes? House gets burgled? Better hand over your phone to make sure it's not an inside job. Get punched in the face? Hand over your phone to see if you'd annoyed anyone. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:58 - Apr 29 with 2464 views | noggin |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:55 - Apr 29 by footers |
And may therefore not wish to report the crime.
It's such a complex, personal crime I really think it should be at the victim's discretion. They've already taken the very difficult first step of reporting it to the police- that relationship should remain as unobtrusive as possible if that's what the victim wants, imo. |
Exactly. A woman may well have shared intimate photos and/or messages and still be the victim of sexual assault. Those messages might persuade the jury against prosecution. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:59 - Apr 29 with 2457 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:58 - Apr 29 by noggin |
Exactly. A woman may well have shared intimate photos and/or messages and still be the victim of sexual assault. Those messages might persuade the jury against prosecution. |
Here's the counter argument to just handing the phone over.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/29/sexual-assault-case-droppe | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:15 - Apr 29 with 2384 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:57 - Apr 29 by SpruceMoose |
Why stop at only sexual assault crimes? House gets burgled? Better hand over your phone to make sure it's not an inside job. Get punched in the face? Hand over your phone to see if you'd annoyed anyone. |
There is certainly an argument in favour of doing just that to combat excessive insurance fraud. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:19 - Apr 29 with 2398 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:15 - Apr 29 by GlasgowBlue |
There is certainly an argument in favour of doing just that to combat excessive insurance fraud. |
Indeed. We all know whiplash is a made up thing. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:23 - Apr 29 with 2367 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:58 - Apr 29 by noggin |
Exactly. A woman may well have shared intimate photos and/or messages and still be the victim of sexual assault. Those messages might persuade the jury against prosecution. |
Aren't you the bloke who described 22 complaints of rape by German women in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015 as "a bit of bum pinching"? | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:29 - Apr 29 with 2372 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:23 - Apr 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Aren't you the bloke who described 22 complaints of rape by German women in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015 as "a bit of bum pinching"? |
I hope it was him, otherwise that's quite the smear on an innocent poster! | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:32 - Apr 29 with 2366 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
Doesn’t this potentially encourage assault?
If any man, for example, knows a female has committed a crime or has something they’d get in serious trouble for, there’s bound to be at least one example sadly of a man then assaulting this woman on the basis that she can tell the police but she will also incriminate herself in whatever she has been doing.
This essentially gives psychos a Carte Blanche to attack their partners, colleagues or friends if they know they would only get into trouble if the other party was prepared to get themselves into hot water by way of damning evidence on their phone or email. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:38 - Apr 29 with 2353 views | Lord_Lucan |
I'm aware of the positives but I think it is a dangerous thing that could become the norm in all types of cases.
Answer = I don't know, however I am nervous that phone snatching by the police will become a modern day "Super Suss" law. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:40 - Apr 29 with 2344 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:38 - Apr 29 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm aware of the positives but I think it is a dangerous thing that could become the norm in all types of cases.
Answer = I don't know, however I am nervous that phone snatching by the police will become a modern day "Super Suss" law. |
It's easy to see how it could be relied upon/abused by police (especially should they be rather lazy). It's not tough to imagine a situation where the cops want to trawl though your phone just on the off chance, and should you refuse, wash their hands of you. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:43 - Apr 29 with 2333 views | factual_blue |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:57 - Apr 29 by SpruceMoose |
Why stop at only sexual assault crimes? House gets burgled? Better hand over your phone to make sure it's not an inside job. Get punched in the face? Hand over your phone to see if you'd annoyed anyone. |
The 'requirement' to hand over phone data can be applied to any charge, not just rape. |  |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:50 - Apr 29 with 2307 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 18:58 - Apr 29 by noggin |
Exactly. A woman may well have shared intimate photos and/or messages and still be the victim of sexual assault. Those messages might persuade the jury against prosecution. |
I appreciate it is a difficult situation, but as with any case these things need to be disclosed.
Hasnt it been the case than non disclosure has led to cases collapsing? We dont want that.
I agree with your example about photos etc, you would hope that the jury would be informed enough to know that doesnt have a bearing on consent. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:52 - Apr 29 with 2286 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:29 - Apr 29 by SpruceMoose |
I hope it was him, otherwise that's quite the smear on an innocent poster! |
It was him. He also described the complaints by these women as a "right wing conspiracy". | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:54 - Apr 29 with 2299 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:52 - Apr 29 by GlasgowBlue |
It was him. He also described the complaints by these women as a "right wing conspiracy". |
Well, I must confess, that passed me by entirely. I'm sure Noggin can answer the charge himself. It's surprising though, he's always struck me as a thoroughly decent sort. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:57 - Apr 29 with 2289 views | noggin |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:54 - Apr 29 by SpruceMoose |
Well, I must confess, that passed me by entirely. I'm sure Noggin can answer the charge himself. It's surprising though, he's always struck me as a thoroughly decent sort. |
I'm afraid I can't see what GB has written. I'm sure it's not a compliment though. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:58 - Apr 29 with 2286 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:57 - Apr 29 by noggin |
I'm afraid I can't see what GB has written. I'm sure it's not a compliment though. |
Something about something you may or may not have said about the assaults in Cologne. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 20:02 - Apr 29 with 2278 views | noggin |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 19:58 - Apr 29 by SpruceMoose |
Something about something you may or may not have said about the assaults in Cologne. |
Ah that one. His memory of what I actually said is a little rusty. I'm not interested in his baiting so I'll leave it to him to scroll back a few years to find my posts. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 20:03 - Apr 29 with 2272 views | SpruceMoose |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 20:02 - Apr 29 by noggin |
Ah that one. His memory of what I actually said is a little rusty. I'm not interested in his baiting so I'll leave it to him to scroll back a few years to find my posts. |
Like I said, I've always thought you were a jolly good egg so it sounded rather out of character.
Anyway, we probably shouldn't divert from what's been a decent thread up until this point. | |
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| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 20:03 - Apr 29 with 2258 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should rape victims give their phones to the police on 20:02 - Apr 29 by noggin |
Ah that one. His memory of what I actually said is a little rusty. I'm not interested in his baiting so I'll leave it to him to scroll back a few years to find my posts. |
Just like Benters post about shooting immigrants, your comments will be remembered for a very long time. | |
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