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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO 14:20 - May 22 with 1490 viewsNo9

While they are happy to make a lot of noise about the WTO do any of them really understand it & how it works?
Maybe this one doesn''t know much at all-

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/andrea-jenkyns-brexit-tory-mp-wto-rules-countries-bb
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:29 - May 22 with 1184 viewsSwansea_Blue

No, especially Art 24 of GATT.

Their claims have been dismissed so many times by trade experts, including the bloke that helped write it, that obviously they're (a) not prepared to listen and a bit thick, or (b) deliberately lying to their supporters. I suspect it's a mixture of the two - maybe the likes of Moggy are the liars and the likes of Andrea Jenkyns are just thick.

Welcome to post-truth Britain, where what you've been convinced to believe is more important than what's correct.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:35 - May 22 with 1169 viewsOldsmoker

Most countries who trade on WTO rules have also established Trade agreements with their main import/export countries. They replace the WTO rules with their own agreements.
So, WTO is the start position for trading and is not a coverall.
The fact that nations seek their own trade agreements shows that WTO rules are not desirable.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 with 1142 viewsPinewoodblue

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:35 - May 22 by Oldsmoker

Most countries who trade on WTO rules have also established Trade agreements with their main import/export countries. They replace the WTO rules with their own agreements.
So, WTO is the start position for trading and is not a coverall.
The fact that nations seek their own trade agreements shows that WTO rules are not desirable.


May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.

You need to look at the mid - long term picture.

As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:02 - May 22 with 1106 viewsNo9

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 by Pinewoodblue

May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.

You need to look at the mid - long term picture.

As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply.


The British steel matter has nothing to do with the EU.
EU legislation allows for state aide and is practiced frequently in other EU countries.
More to do with the Holding Co
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 with 1101 viewsOldsmoker

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 by Pinewoodblue

May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.

You need to look at the mid - long term picture.

As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply.


"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.

"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:06 - May 22 with 1099 viewsOldsmoker

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 by Oldsmoker

"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.

"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under.


Did I just say the government don't do bail-outs.
Sorry, I was wrong.
They do, but only if its a bank.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:06 - May 22 with 1100 viewsNo9

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:29 - May 22 by Swansea_Blue

No, especially Art 24 of GATT.

Their claims have been dismissed so many times by trade experts, including the bloke that helped write it, that obviously they're (a) not prepared to listen and a bit thick, or (b) deliberately lying to their supporters. I suspect it's a mixture of the two - maybe the likes of Moggy are the liars and the likes of Andrea Jenkyns are just thick.

Welcome to post-truth Britain, where what you've been convinced to believe is more important than what's correct.


Most people don't understand the WTO is a Member Club, Members make the rules.
The UK, having surrendered its membership now operates within the WTO as a part of the EU membership & can't be an independent member until it lelaves the EU when all the benefits of what the EU gets.
The UK will have to start again = could be some time
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:08 - May 22 with 1094 viewsHARRY10

It is quite frightening how many are still blinded by this la la land of fantasy.

It reminds me of a cousin who believes we can talk to the dead, as no matter what arguments are put up and no matter how absurd her arguments are shown to be she still clings to this idea.

And that is the real proble, where there is almost 'mass hysteria' with folk having seemingly fixated on something that is the cause of all their woes not wanting to let go of that particular 'comfort blanket.

Theirs is not a belief born of reasoned argument or rational thought, just blinkered delusion they are scared of letting go.
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:11 - May 22 with 1082 viewseireblue

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 by Pinewoodblue

May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.

You need to look at the mid - long term picture.

As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply.


How can you look at the mid-long term future, if it is simply unknown?
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:14 - May 22 with 1065 viewsflimflam

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 by Oldsmoker

"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.

"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under.


Ironically JC has said they would nationlise British Steel but must be unaware the EU laws prohibit it albeit on a temporary basis.
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:16 - May 22 with 1062 viewsSwansea_Blue

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:11 - May 22 by eireblue

How can you look at the mid-long term future, if it is simply unknown?


Rubbish. I'm having a rainbow unicorn with extra sparkles!

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:17 - May 22 with 1068 viewsfactual_blue

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:08 - May 22 by HARRY10

It is quite frightening how many are still blinded by this la la land of fantasy.

It reminds me of a cousin who believes we can talk to the dead, as no matter what arguments are put up and no matter how absurd her arguments are shown to be she still clings to this idea.

And that is the real proble, where there is almost 'mass hysteria' with folk having seemingly fixated on something that is the cause of all their woes not wanting to let go of that particular 'comfort blanket.

Theirs is not a belief born of reasoned argument or rational thought, just blinkered delusion they are scared of letting go.


I heard it described perfectly the other day; leavers were promised and voted for a unicorn. They're getting a donkey with an ice cream cone tied to its head.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:27 - May 22 with 1035 viewsfactual_blue

To paraphrase Rowan Atkinson, I wouldn't trust a brexiteer to sit the right way round on a toilet.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:28 - May 22 with 1028 viewsfactual_blue

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:11 - May 22 by eireblue

How can you look at the mid-long term future, if it is simply unknown?


And as J M Keynes pointed out, in the long term we are all dead.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:41 - May 22 with 996 viewsNo9

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:14 - May 22 by flimflam

Ironically JC has said they would nationlise British Steel but must be unaware the EU laws prohibit it albeit on a temporary basis.


Not true
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:01 - May 22 with 965 viewstractordownsouth

It’s funny, whenever I ask the Brexiters who elected the WTO they mysteriously seem to lose internet connection or something...
[Post edited 22 May 2019 16:03]

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:04 - May 22 with 960 viewstractordownsouth

And also whenever you ask them which of the leading Brexiteers advocated a no deal before the referendum they seem to go quiet.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:26 - May 22 with 926 viewsbluejacko

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 by Oldsmoker

"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.

"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under.


Did you listen to the reason the Govt can’t give them more money?its against international law.

They also received £110m from the Govt not so long ago.
Hopefully a buyer can be found to secure all those jobs.
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:35 - May 22 with 911 viewsjontysnut

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:01 - May 22 by tractordownsouth

It’s funny, whenever I ask the Brexiters who elected the WTO they mysteriously seem to lose internet connection or something...
[Post edited 22 May 2019 16:03]


I don't really know what WTO rules actually are, but I get annoyed at people who claim that this is the answer to everything when they plainly don't know either
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:50 - May 22 with 888 viewsbluejacko

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:35 - May 22 by jontysnut

I don't really know what WTO rules actually are, but I get annoyed at people who claim that this is the answer to everything when they plainly don't know either


That’s the rub though you can get an ‘expert’ either way.
Doom and gloom or rays of sunshine.
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:17 - May 22 with 861 viewsflimflam

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:41 - May 22 by No9

Not true


Correct me if I am wrong but that is how I understood it.
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:25 - May 22 with 853 viewsOldsmoker

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:26 - May 22 by bluejacko

Did you listen to the reason the Govt can’t give them more money?its against international law.

They also received £110m from the Govt not so long ago.
Hopefully a buyer can be found to secure all those jobs.


"can't give" "won't give"
Same thing.
If the Tories WERE allowed to bail them out they wouldn't.

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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:51 - May 22 with 836 viewsbluejacko

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:25 - May 22 by Oldsmoker

"can't give" "won't give"
Same thing.
If the Tories WERE allowed to bail them out they wouldn't.


You really don’t know that do? Talk about making it up!
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 18:10 - May 22 with 817 viewsNo9

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:17 - May 22 by flimflam

Correct me if I am wrong but that is how I understood it.


It isn't true.
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Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 18:13 - May 22 with 814 viewsNo9

Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:17 - May 22 by flimflam

Correct me if I am wrong but that is how I understood it.


I forgot the UK government already gave BS £120 Mn a short while back.
& when the EU pu together a deal to get EU steel producers to put in place measures to stop the Chinese dumping steel in the EU - the UK opted out
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