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Oh and on the subject of ruining football 09:19 - Jun 12 with 1233 viewsRadlett_blue

UEFA are now being asked to expand the Champions' League to 40 or 48 teams so that the champions of weaker leagues like Greece, the Netherlands etc will be guaranteed entry. This could lead to groups of 5 or 6.
This proposal is a counter to the idea promoted by the big clubs of having 24 clubs guaranteed CL places, irrespective of their league position.The inexorable march to a European League continues.
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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 09:34 - Jun 12 with 1189 viewsSomethingBlue

Much better than the initial closed-shop idea though and at least it means mid-ranked countries get invited to the party. At this stage I'd take it.
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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 09:58 - Jun 12 with 1146 viewslinhdi

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 09:34 - Jun 12 by SomethingBlue

Much better than the initial closed-shop idea though and at least it means mid-ranked countries get invited to the party. At this stage I'd take it.


I am more tempted to hope the "Big 16" or whatever number just disappear into their previous European League, but on the strict understanding that they no longer compete in domestic leagues.
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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 10:14 - Jun 12 with 1122 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

The sooner they all clear off the better in my opinion.

They should let the 'Top 32' clubs in the world join a European Super League based around the NFL format so you get 4 groups of 8 teams, with 14 league matches, before the top half in each division go through to a 16 team knockout stage home and away. They can even have some kind of draft for players up to the age of 21 that wish to declare them eligible.

Let them get on with it and leave everyone else in peace. We can do nicely without the big six as we have plenty of big clubs left and we can all just get on with competitive leagues again, bring proper FFP into play, keep promotion and relegation and have wonderful FA Cup and League Cup fixtures again, with money more evenly distributed through the leagues.

Let's see how much fun it is to Arsenal fans or Chelsea fans when they are losing 9 of their 14 games and their season is over by February.

They may as well just do that. Make it like the NFL. Take 64 teams if they want and leave the other countries to get on with it. Those glory hunters in Turkey that decide to pick Galatasaray will be no more and the newcomers to football over time will pick a domestic club they want to follow home and away and Galatasaray will just be a team they want to see do well in the European Super League.

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 10:27 - Jun 12 with 1099 viewsPendejo

Next season really needs another club outside of England, Spain, Germany or Italy to do well. Ajax pished all over some big reputations and European football as a whole needs this repeated.

I have said many times, I have no problem with the idea of a European Super League, as long as entrance is meritous and not simply down to financial might.

It needs 2 divisions with promotion and relegation, between them and also domestic leagues...

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 11:01 - Jun 12 with 1043 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 10:27 - Jun 12 by Pendejo

Next season really needs another club outside of England, Spain, Germany or Italy to do well. Ajax pished all over some big reputations and European football as a whole needs this repeated.

I have said many times, I have no problem with the idea of a European Super League, as long as entrance is meritous and not simply down to financial might.

It needs 2 divisions with promotion and relegation, between them and also domestic leagues...


I'd like to see UEFA offer it to the top 32, 40 or 64 teams based on their co-efficient.

Invite the likes of United, Arsenal, PSG, Ajax, Galatasaray, Real Madrid and so on and let them decide whether to join the new Super League or stay in their own league and then close the door.

They then become the problem of the UEFA FA or whatever they'd set up and no longer part of Premier League, English FA and so on.

Then they've made their bed. If teams no longer want to be part of it they can start in the Conference and work their way up and earn their Premier League place back on merit.

If teams reject invitations then offer it out to the next teams - Steaua Bucharest, Legia Warsaw or whoever, or reduce the size of the league.

They could have an A and B league, with promotion and relegation to make it more interesting.

The rest of Europe could go back to having new versions of the European Cup, UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup without these teams.

Job done.

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 11:19 - Jun 12 with 1012 viewsSlambo

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 10:14 - Jun 12 by WarkTheWarkITFC

The sooner they all clear off the better in my opinion.

They should let the 'Top 32' clubs in the world join a European Super League based around the NFL format so you get 4 groups of 8 teams, with 14 league matches, before the top half in each division go through to a 16 team knockout stage home and away. They can even have some kind of draft for players up to the age of 21 that wish to declare them eligible.

Let them get on with it and leave everyone else in peace. We can do nicely without the big six as we have plenty of big clubs left and we can all just get on with competitive leagues again, bring proper FFP into play, keep promotion and relegation and have wonderful FA Cup and League Cup fixtures again, with money more evenly distributed through the leagues.

Let's see how much fun it is to Arsenal fans or Chelsea fans when they are losing 9 of their 14 games and their season is over by February.

They may as well just do that. Make it like the NFL. Take 64 teams if they want and leave the other countries to get on with it. Those glory hunters in Turkey that decide to pick Galatasaray will be no more and the newcomers to football over time will pick a domestic club they want to follow home and away and Galatasaray will just be a team they want to see do well in the European Super League.


Too right. My concern is though, that the EFL would simply continue with the same PL model and not use it as an opportunity to introduce the desperately needed reforms - fairer distribution of income, ending parachute payments etc. The Championship would become the new 'Premier League' and guzzle up all the money, and we'd just be stuck with the likes of Everton, Leeds, Villa and Newcastle creating a cartel at the top rather than the one we have now. What little utterances i've heard from EFL chief Shaun Harvey gives me the impression he's just a pound shop Richard Scudamore. What's more, there'd need to be a similar process across all European leagues, otherwise this hypothetical brave, new English league would just get preyed upon by less scrupulous ones...

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 11:27 - Jun 12 with 997 viewsPinewoodblue

If a European league is ever established the top English clubs would want to run a 'B' team in the Premier League.

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 11:41 - Jun 12 with 962 viewsSlambo

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 11:27 - Jun 12 by Pinewoodblue

If a European league is ever established the top English clubs would want to run a 'B' team in the Premier League.


They don't have to let them do that though. If indeed the mega clubs joined a European Super League they'd basically be revoking their registration to play in an English league. However, being cynical, the EFL would probably roll over and let the Cartel play 'B' teams in their domestic league anyway. They've never stood up to them in the past and can't imagine they would change...

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 12:46 - Jun 12 with 906 viewsJ2BLUE

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 10:14 - Jun 12 by WarkTheWarkITFC

The sooner they all clear off the better in my opinion.

They should let the 'Top 32' clubs in the world join a European Super League based around the NFL format so you get 4 groups of 8 teams, with 14 league matches, before the top half in each division go through to a 16 team knockout stage home and away. They can even have some kind of draft for players up to the age of 21 that wish to declare them eligible.

Let them get on with it and leave everyone else in peace. We can do nicely without the big six as we have plenty of big clubs left and we can all just get on with competitive leagues again, bring proper FFP into play, keep promotion and relegation and have wonderful FA Cup and League Cup fixtures again, with money more evenly distributed through the leagues.

Let's see how much fun it is to Arsenal fans or Chelsea fans when they are losing 9 of their 14 games and their season is over by February.

They may as well just do that. Make it like the NFL. Take 64 teams if they want and leave the other countries to get on with it. Those glory hunters in Turkey that decide to pick Galatasaray will be no more and the newcomers to football over time will pick a domestic club they want to follow home and away and Galatasaray will just be a team they want to see do well in the European Super League.


Be careful what you wish for. Look at the Premier League now. It's a money magnet and the divide is huge between the Prem and the lower leagues. Now imagine a European Super League. It would be a money vacuum and chances are the top domestic leagues left would have the level of funding the Championship does now. If you think that sounds good you need to remember we are ~£90m in debt. Perhaps Evans would have to write our debt off but other clubs would go to the wall. For all this hatred of the top clubs, we kind of do live off their scraps at this point.

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 13:13 - Jun 12 with 865 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 12:46 - Jun 12 by J2BLUE

Be careful what you wish for. Look at the Premier League now. It's a money magnet and the divide is huge between the Prem and the lower leagues. Now imagine a European Super League. It would be a money vacuum and chances are the top domestic leagues left would have the level of funding the Championship does now. If you think that sounds good you need to remember we are ~£90m in debt. Perhaps Evans would have to write our debt off but other clubs would go to the wall. For all this hatred of the top clubs, we kind of do live off their scraps at this point.


30,000 would still watch Leeds, 15,000 Ipswich and 5,000 Rochdale. That wouldn't change.

If anything, after a few years, the market would adjust. Players on £40k a week in the Championship wouldn't exist and clubs would live within their means.

ITFC should be able to get 15,000 fans a week paying £20 a match and use that £300,000 to pay wages over the course of a fortnight (obviously there are other sums coming in and out).

The fact our division now means you have to spend £600,000 instead on wages to have any chance of being successful is all down to the money involved at the top end.

Take that away and clubs would struggle, but with enough warning of a new league and a clear plan it could be managed.

Obviously, it would just end up like Brexit and clubs would ignore the clear warnings and carry on giving out contracts like sweets and go t*ts up anyway.

But the good news is that it would be Derby that would go first.

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 13:27 - Jun 12 with 838 viewsJimmyJazz

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 10:14 - Jun 12 by WarkTheWarkITFC

The sooner they all clear off the better in my opinion.

They should let the 'Top 32' clubs in the world join a European Super League based around the NFL format so you get 4 groups of 8 teams, with 14 league matches, before the top half in each division go through to a 16 team knockout stage home and away. They can even have some kind of draft for players up to the age of 21 that wish to declare them eligible.

Let them get on with it and leave everyone else in peace. We can do nicely without the big six as we have plenty of big clubs left and we can all just get on with competitive leagues again, bring proper FFP into play, keep promotion and relegation and have wonderful FA Cup and League Cup fixtures again, with money more evenly distributed through the leagues.

Let's see how much fun it is to Arsenal fans or Chelsea fans when they are losing 9 of their 14 games and their season is over by February.

They may as well just do that. Make it like the NFL. Take 64 teams if they want and leave the other countries to get on with it. Those glory hunters in Turkey that decide to pick Galatasaray will be no more and the newcomers to football over time will pick a domestic club they want to follow home and away and Galatasaray will just be a team they want to see do well in the European Super League.


Isn't what you are suggesting similar to what may have been hoped for at the start of the Premier League? Let the top clubs do their thing - we'll enjoy the competitiveness of what was leagues 1, 2 and 3 (before the Championship) and our FA and League cups will be competitive again.

How did that all work out?

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 13:29 - Jun 12 with 826 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 13:27 - Jun 12 by JimmyJazz

Isn't what you are suggesting similar to what may have been hoped for at the start of the Premier League? Let the top clubs do their thing - we'll enjoy the competitiveness of what was leagues 1, 2 and 3 (before the Championship) and our FA and League cups will be competitive again.

How did that all work out?


The difference is that included the Premier League, which is where the money was, hence why it's no longer fit for purpose.

In this new format the money goes with the European Super League and those left are more like football before Sky. When it was infinitely fairer, better and more enjoyable.

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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 18:17 - Jun 12 with 688 viewsRadlett_blue

Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 13:27 - Jun 12 by JimmyJazz

Isn't what you are suggesting similar to what may have been hoped for at the start of the Premier League? Let the top clubs do their thing - we'll enjoy the competitiveness of what was leagues 1, 2 and 3 (before the Championship) and our FA and League cups will be competitive again.

How did that all work out?


And maybe the "domestic" English clubs wouldn't keep virtually bankrupting themselves to try to get to the Premier League?
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Oh and on the subject of ruining football on 23:45 - Jun 12 with 589 viewsxrayspecs

Being Machiavellian, the initial closed shop proposal was always going to be opposed and UEFA are super political. Likely desired end game was a bigger EU tournament as a move to the desired Euro league. This way their opponents propose what they wanted all along and EUFA will in the spirit of solidarity go along with it.

It is how politics works
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