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I'll not make a further comment on this thread but thought it would be useful to at least link to this which highlights the other view of the Labour Antisemitism crisis.
Watch it, skim it, ignore it, savage it, downvote it. But remember that almost all the contributors are Jewish. Even if they're very rarely referred to as Jewish when they're mentioned in the media or being attacked as anti-semites by the self-styled spokespeople of the "Jewish community".
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The other side of the story ... on 12:16 - Jul 3 with 2133 views
The other side of the story ... on 12:12 - Jul 3 by pickles110564
What credibility? He has none.
If just like to pause for a moment and enjoy the delicious irony of you, the naked did he or didn't he vote orc, talking about credibility.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
The other side of the story ... on 12:15 - Jul 3 by Ryorry
Maybe some of those people "spouting off" have actually experienced anti-Semitism themselves (I know for a fact that at least two have), and are therefore unfortunately all too well aware of the problem. You seem to be talking as someone who never actually has.
Your arrogance in this reply highlights why you never get anywhere in trying to persuade people over to your point of view on the subject, which you post regularly on. People have physical problems with the small screen, as I do, and are not going to spend an hour on a rare sunny summer weekday morning watching it. I asked you to post a transcript*, all you replied with was a snide comment "But the responses as they do everything but watch the thing or address other links I've given them are very revealing and damning."
*You could also try to find it on iPlayer or similar
We're not talking about their legitimate views of what they've experienced, we're talking about the legitimate views and experiences of the Jewish people in the film. Why are their views irrelevant and being ignored?
Here's the link on Vimeo. Just copy and paste it into your browser and take out the dash in "vimeo"
The other side of the story ... on 12:35 - Jul 3 by brazil1982
Dk wants people to watch it, disagree with his POV, so he can start arguments again. Despite stating he wouldn't comment again.
No, I don't.
(By the way, do you want the 5-minute argument or the full half-hour?)
I'm just amazed people can't even watch or read any of this. Certainly they're never going to address it if they do. And, of course, the main protagonists on here have seen it.
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The other side of the story ... on 12:41 - Jul 3 with 2069 views
The other side of the story ... on 12:28 - Jul 3 by Darth_Koont
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I'm talking about your baseless opinion of a point of view and facts you just won't investigate. It's Brexiteer-like.
That there is anti-semitism within the left, and specifically the Labour Party means that people there need to take action against it. For the last two years the Labour leadership has vacillated over this issue, repeatedly refusing to take action until forced to by the weight of MPs demands. Some other people saying that racism doesn't exist or isn't that serious doesn't change that however much you want it to.
That's the point and that's not a baseless opinion either.
The other side of the story ... on 12:41 - Jul 3 by Steve_M
That there is anti-semitism within the left, and specifically the Labour Party means that people there need to take action against it. For the last two years the Labour leadership has vacillated over this issue, repeatedly refusing to take action until forced to by the weight of MPs demands. Some other people saying that racism doesn't exist or isn't that serious doesn't change that however much you want it to.
That's the point and that's not a baseless opinion either.
"Some other people saying that racism doesn't exist or isn't that serious doesn't change that however much you want it to."
Well, it sort of does. That's the point. And by the way, I don't think anyone's saying that racism doesn't exist so please let's not play those games to dismiss a separate weaponisation aspect and political battle.
Edit: Your opinion on these people here is baseless as you haven't seen the film.
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The other side of the story ... on 12:46 - Jul 3 with 2054 views
The other side of the story ... on 12:41 - Jul 3 by Steve_M
That there is anti-semitism within the left, and specifically the Labour Party means that people there need to take action against it. For the last two years the Labour leadership has vacillated over this issue, repeatedly refusing to take action until forced to by the weight of MPs demands. Some other people saying that racism doesn't exist or isn't that serious doesn't change that however much you want it to.
That's the point and that's not a baseless opinion either.
Steve, during Miliband's time as leader why did the Labour party face desertion by Jewish donors and supporters?
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The other side of the story ... on 13:23 - Jul 3 with 1981 views
The other side of the story ... on 13:23 - Jul 3 by Steve_M
I don't know that it did but the insidious anti-semitism on the left may well be a factor, it certainly pre-dates Corbyn.
No it wasn't because of anti-semitism, it was down to Miliband's stance on Palestine.
"Ed Miliband was on a collision course on Sunday with the Board of Deputies, which speaks for Britain’s Jews, as he insisted that Labour MPs who are in Parliament on Monday must back a motion to recognise Palestine as an independent state."
"The Labour party is facing desertion by Jewish donors and supporters because of Ed Mili-band's "toxic" anti-Israeli stance over Gaza and Palestine. In a fresh headache for the Labour leader, it is understood that Mr Miliband has been warned that Jewish backers are deserting the party in droves over what community leaders perceive to be a new, aggressive pro-Palestine policy at the expense of Israeli interests."
The other side of the story ... on 13:36 - Jul 3 by Bluesquid
No it wasn't because of anti-semitism, it was down to Miliband's stance on Palestine.
"Ed Miliband was on a collision course on Sunday with the Board of Deputies, which speaks for Britain’s Jews, as he insisted that Labour MPs who are in Parliament on Monday must back a motion to recognise Palestine as an independent state."
"The Labour party is facing desertion by Jewish donors and supporters because of Ed Mili-band's "toxic" anti-Israeli stance over Gaza and Palestine. In a fresh headache for the Labour leader, it is understood that Mr Miliband has been warned that Jewish backers are deserting the party in droves over what community leaders perceive to be a new, aggressive pro-Palestine policy at the expense of Israeli interests."
A stance shared by Corbyn, Williamson, Walker, Livingstone, Galloway, etc, etc, etc.
See a pattern?
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So some Jewish people left over Labour being more pro-Palestinian. I'll take your word for it here but they didn't cite relentless anti-semitic abuse on the way out did they though?
The other side of the story ... on 13:50 - Jul 3 by Steve_M
So some Jewish people left over Labour being more pro-Palestinian. I'll take your word for it here but they didn't cite relentless anti-semitic abuse on the way out did they though?
No, not my word, it's in the article.
They really didn't like that stance did they?
"Maureen Lipman, the actress, has announced she is ending five decades of support for the Labour Party, as she furiously denounced Ed Miliband’s stance on Israel."
The other side of the story ... on 13:57 - Jul 3 by Bluesquid
No, not my word, it's in the article.
They really didn't like that stance did they?
"Maureen Lipman, the actress, has announced she is ending five decades of support for the Labour Party, as she furiously denounced Ed Miliband’s stance on Israel."
The other side of the story ... on 14:07 - Jul 3 by Bluesquid
All attacked and taken down (or in the process of) and they all share the same stance.
You're deliberately leaving out who you think is doing this and why. Go on - take ownership of the point. If you believe it then follow through the whole way.
I'd also say it's a convenient way of looking at things. Saying "it's because they believe X rather than doing Y" means you can ignore Y whilst looking for any common X.
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The other side of the story ... on 14:34 - Jul 3 with 1840 views
The other side of the story ... on 12:34 - Jul 3 by Darth_Koont
We're not talking about their legitimate views of what they've experienced, we're talking about the legitimate views and experiences of the Jewish people in the film. Why are their views irrelevant and being ignored?
Here's the link on Vimeo. Just copy and paste it into your browser and take out the dash in "vimeo"
Don't know how many times I have to say this, but I cannot watch vids for more than 30-60 seconds on a 12 inch screen.
The people in the film are only being "ignored" by me because I cannot physically watch; nor have I or anyone else said their views are "irrelevant" - that's you twisting things, for the thousandth etc time as you always do, to suit your own entrenched standpoint.
I personally have said that I'll read a transcript of the film, or watch on my 40" via iPlayer, but you seem unable to find a link.
The other side of the story ... on 14:12 - Jul 3 by StokieBlue
You're deliberately leaving out who you think is doing this and why. Go on - take ownership of the point. If you believe it then follow through the whole way.
I'd also say it's a convenient way of looking at things. Saying "it's because they believe X rather than doing Y" means you can ignore Y whilst looking for any common X.
SB
i take him to be blaming maureen lipman. which in many ways is fair enough.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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The other side of the story ... on 14:48 - Jul 3 with 1812 views
The other side of the story ... on 14:34 - Jul 3 by Ryorry
Don't know how many times I have to say this, but I cannot watch vids for more than 30-60 seconds on a 12 inch screen.
The people in the film are only being "ignored" by me because I cannot physically watch; nor have I or anyone else said their views are "irrelevant" - that's you twisting things, for the thousandth etc time as you always do, to suit your own entrenched standpoint.
I personally have said that I'll read a transcript of the film, or watch on my 40" via iPlayer, but you seem unable to find a link.
Edit: I missed your bit about a 12" screen the first time. Can't you stream it to your TV? How do you get iPlayer on there?
Here's the Youtube version anyway.
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The other side of the story ... on 14:50 - Jul 3 with 1809 views
The other side of the story ... on 14:12 - Jul 3 by StokieBlue
You're deliberately leaving out who you think is doing this and why. Go on - take ownership of the point. If you believe it then follow through the whole way.
I'd also say it's a convenient way of looking at things. Saying "it's because they believe X rather than doing Y" means you can ignore Y whilst looking for any common X.
SB
Watch the film Stokie.
The first few minutes explains the background and why the political "debate" has been ramped up post-Gaza.
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The other side of the story ... on 14:54 - Jul 3 with 1793 views
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