| Webster 20m 13:17 - Aug 1 with 3664 views | Westcountryblue |
It's incredibly frustrating to see a club like Bristol City cash potentially 25m for Adam Webster. In terms of our size, backing, infrastructure we are a bigger club than City, but are a real soft touch when any sizeable bid being tabled for any of our players. Fair play to City though for saying early on in the summer that they want 30m.
Whereas the Webster deal we negotiated and more so the Tommy Smith deal to Colorado Rapids underline a real naivety and lack of business acumen...letting a seasoned Championship CB with nearly 300 games under his belt go essentially on a gap year for free because it was a 'great opportunity for the lad'. The championship is one of the biggest leagues in the world commercially.
Same with Mings, probably a case of holding on to him for another season and slapping another 5m on his price tag at the end of the season rather than being lulled in by 1 good loanee and an average striker.
I think Lambert is a more straight shooter when it comes to playing hard ball in terms of negotiations, and it's pleasing to see us show more resolve with Judge and Dozzell. |  | | |  |
| Webster 20m on 13:19 - Aug 1 with 2541 views | braveblue |
One word. Evans. | | | |
| Webster 20m on 13:19 - Aug 1 with 2540 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
The Mings deal was a very good deal at the time!! |  |
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| Webster 20m on 13:23 - Aug 1 with 2514 views | Westcountryblue |
| Webster 20m on 13:19 - Aug 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The Mings deal was a very good deal at the time!! |
Really?
The 3m Palace bid aside, we accepted at the first sniff of big money.
How many other Championship clubs play hard ball, keep the asset and let it appreciate over 1-2 seasons before selling big.
It's also farcical how we get bent over a barrel to the whims of Berra and McGoldrick over location. We pay their wages and they play in the one of the best leagues in the world.
We are a big club acting little time ! | | | |
| Webster 20m on 13:23 - Aug 1 with 2504 views | J2BLUE |
People need to realise that our long term trajectory under Evans is down. We might win the league this season but we will have the same investment issues next year. If we were in the Championship this season we could not compete with Luton when it comes to fees.
For a long time Evans funded the basics but did not invest. As the years go by it seems he is increasingly reluctant to even fund the basics. How many times have we had three CBs or been short of basic cover? This season it looks like the gaps in the squad will be filled with a trialist and a loan striker we probably wouldn't want if he had more choice.
Evans took a gamble on our club and he failed. Now Town fans are going to pay for it until someone else buys the club which might never happen. Evans isn't a bad man. I fully understand his reluctance to throw money at the club just to stand still but now he doesn't even want to do that we are going to fall down the pyramid. In five years we will likely be an established league one side.
My biggest concern is the possible creation of a closed shop two tier Premier League while we are mid table in league one and completely irrelevant. |  |
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| Webster 20m on 13:24 - Aug 1 with 2499 views | Herbivore |
| Webster 20m on 13:23 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
Really?
The 3m Palace bid aside, we accepted at the first sniff of big money.
How many other Championship clubs play hard ball, keep the asset and let it appreciate over 1-2 seasons before selling big.
It's also farcical how we get bent over a barrel to the whims of Berra and McGoldrick over location. We pay their wages and they play in the one of the best leagues in the world.
We are a big club acting little time ! |
The Mings deal was an excellent deal. |  |
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| Webster 20m on 13:25 - Aug 1 with 2483 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Webster 20m on 13:23 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
Really?
The 3m Palace bid aside, we accepted at the first sniff of big money.
How many other Championship clubs play hard ball, keep the asset and let it appreciate over 1-2 seasons before selling big.
It's also farcical how we get bent over a barrel to the whims of Berra and McGoldrick over location. We pay their wages and they play in the one of the best leagues in the world.
We are a big club acting little time ! |
Get a grip man!! | |
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| Webster 20m on 13:26 - Aug 1 with 2475 views | Durovigutum |
| Webster 20m on 13:19 - Aug 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The Mings deal was a very good deal at the time!! |
The Mings deal was decent, Fraser on loan as well remember.
The Webster deal was terrible - sell the family china to buy some Tupperware. |  | | |
| Webster 20m on 13:26 - Aug 1 with 2465 views | itfcjoe |
| Webster 20m on 13:23 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
Really?
The 3m Palace bid aside, we accepted at the first sniff of big money.
How many other Championship clubs play hard ball, keep the asset and let it appreciate over 1-2 seasons before selling big.
It's also farcical how we get bent over a barrel to the whims of Berra and McGoldrick over location. We pay their wages and they play in the one of the best leagues in the world.
We are a big club acting little time ! |
So we held onto him and saw his value double and cashed in then? We did play hard ball and sell big - the money has only really got ridiculous this season for selling into the PL.
Also, Berra was finished when he left here, and McGoldrick was out of contract and had barely been fit for 3 seasons - think everyone agreed they were the right moves. |  |
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| Webster 20m on 13:35 - Aug 1 with 2387 views | LKW15 |
| Webster 20m on 13:23 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
Really?
The 3m Palace bid aside, we accepted at the first sniff of big money.
How many other Championship clubs play hard ball, keep the asset and let it appreciate over 1-2 seasons before selling big.
It's also farcical how we get bent over a barrel to the whims of Berra and McGoldrick over location. We pay their wages and they play in the one of the best leagues in the world.
We are a big club acting little time ! |
it was big money at the time. We sold him four years ago, transfer fees have inflated massively since then, you only have to look at his fee this summer after half a good season in the championship to see how true that is | | | |
| Webster 20m on 13:38 - Aug 1 with 2358 views | Westcountryblue |
| Webster 20m on 13:26 - Aug 1 by itfcjoe |
So we held onto him and saw his value double and cashed in then? We did play hard ball and sell big - the money has only really got ridiculous this season for selling into the PL.
Also, Berra was finished when he left here, and McGoldrick was out of contract and had barely been fit for 3 seasons - think everyone agreed they were the right moves. |
Not too sure Berra was finished...especially with what came afterwards.
McGoldrick was managed badly. Obviously issues with sports science set up and training workload. He went to Sheff Utd, got managed well and played superbly.
Multi-million pound assets leaving for nothing. I'd rather sell personally ! | | | |
| Webster 20m on 13:38 - Aug 1 with 2355 views | ITFCBlues |
In what way are we a bigger club? Because we won a European trophy 30 years ago?
Haven't they got 20k season ticket holders? |  |
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| Webster 20m on 13:39 - Aug 1 with 2347 views | Westcountryblue |
Would you not argue we are soft touch when it comes to contract negotiations, retention of our best assets and playing hard ball with other clubs? | | | |
| Webster 20m on 13:42 - Aug 1 with 2318 views | Herbivore |
| Webster 20m on 13:39 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
Would you not argue we are soft touch when it comes to contract negotiations, retention of our best assets and playing hard ball with other clubs? |
Not really. There's been mismanagement in a few cases but I imagine we're hardly alone in that. | |
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| Webster 20m on 13:43 - Aug 1 with 2316 views | Westcountryblue |
| Webster 20m on 13:38 - Aug 1 by ITFCBlues |
In what way are we a bigger club? Because we won a European trophy 30 years ago?
Haven't they got 20k season ticket holders? |
Better academy, bigger stadium, better local scouting network, better training facilities, a more established supporters network.
As per PL interview, ITFC fans have been disenfranchised for years. Not too long ago, only a decade ago PR used to see crowds of 24-25k..and that was with poorly thought through season ticket prices and near Premiership match day prices. Things can change quickly in football, but a lot of damage was done to our support network during the Keane, Jewell, McCarthy areas.
Small time management at corporate level, small time attitude that's our issue.
What PL said about maintaining and developing our infrastructure throughout the club was spot on this morning in EADT. [Post edited 1 Aug 2019 13:55]
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| Webster 20m on 13:49 - Aug 1 with 2282 views | itfcjoe |
| Webster 20m on 13:38 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
Not too sure Berra was finished...especially with what came afterwards.
McGoldrick was managed badly. Obviously issues with sports science set up and training workload. He went to Sheff Utd, got managed well and played superbly.
Multi-million pound assets leaving for nothing. I'd rather sell personally ! |
We should have been able to improve on Berra by the time he left, he was struggling at that point, and was out of contract.
You are conflating different issues with McGoldrick, that we couldn't get our highest paid player fit is clearly an issue - but it's nothing to do with him leaving here on the cheap, he left because he couldn't stay fit and not worthy of a new contract. | |
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| Webster 20m on 13:54 - Aug 1 with 2255 views | Westcountryblue |
| Webster 20m on 13:49 - Aug 1 by itfcjoe |
We should have been able to improve on Berra by the time he left, he was struggling at that point, and was out of contract.
You are conflating different issues with McGoldrick, that we couldn't get our highest paid player fit is clearly an issue - but it's nothing to do with him leaving here on the cheap, he left because he couldn't stay fit and not worthy of a new contract. |
He went on to play 45 games last year and score 15 goals.
If we couldn't manage him correctly that's our fault as a club, not his as a player.
It's short sighted to think without changes we couldn't get the likes of him fit and unfortunately it's hit us 9m in the back pocket. Very much a grass is greener mindset last summer which absolutely ravaged us. | | | |
| Webster 20m on 14:03 - Aug 1 with 2218 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Webster 20m on 13:54 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
He went on to play 45 games last year and score 15 goals.
If we couldn't manage him correctly that's our fault as a club, not his as a player.
It's short sighted to think without changes we couldn't get the likes of him fit and unfortunately it's hit us 9m in the back pocket. Very much a grass is greener mindset last summer which absolutely ravaged us. |
We turned down £7m for McGoldrick, so how does that fit with your not hanging on for a better price theory? |  |
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| Webster 20m on 14:06 - Aug 1 with 2198 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Webster 20m on 13:39 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
Would you not argue we are soft touch when it comes to contract negotiations, retention of our best assets and playing hard ball with other clubs? |
I was simply taking issues and stating that the Mings deal was a good deal at the time.
Your suggestion that it wasnt is fanciful, and damages any credibility you may have had. | |
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| Webster 20m on 14:07 - Aug 1 with 2191 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Webster 20m on 13:42 - Aug 1 by Herbivore |
Not really. There's been mismanagement in a few cases but I imagine we're hardly alone in that. |
Agreed. | |
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| Webster 20m on 14:07 - Aug 1 with 2183 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Webster 20m on 14:03 - Aug 1 by BrixtonBlue |
We turned down £7m for McGoldrick, so how does that fit with your not hanging on for a better price theory? |
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| Webster 20m on 14:11 - Aug 1 with 2160 views | Herbivore |
| Webster 20m on 13:54 - Aug 1 by Westcountryblue |
He went on to play 45 games last year and score 15 goals.
If we couldn't manage him correctly that's our fault as a club, not his as a player.
It's short sighted to think without changes we couldn't get the likes of him fit and unfortunately it's hit us 9m in the back pocket. Very much a grass is greener mindset last summer which absolutely ravaged us. |
McGoldrick himself has said that a lot of the injuries he picked up here were random, freak injuries. It's not like he kept breaking down with the same thing because we weren't rehabing him properly. | |
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| Webster 20m on 14:19 - Aug 1 with 2104 views | clive_baker |
£8m + Pitman + Fraser on loan. It was an excellent deal.
Quite a few captain hindsights on here who on the one hand claim we should've snapped £8m off Leicester for McGoldrick but are critical that we sold Mings for that. Very easy after the event.
I do agree we were robbed for Webster and Cresswell. £3m a piece for 2 young, English players like that who were clearly very, very good footballers was daylight robbery. [Post edited 1 Aug 2019 14:22]
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| Webster 20m on 14:21 - Aug 1 with 2089 views | Westcountryblue |
| Webster 20m on 14:06 - Aug 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I was simply taking issues and stating that the Mings deal was a good deal at the time.
Your suggestion that it wasnt is fanciful, and damages any credibility you may have had. |
Might not be a conventional or popular view.
But I stand by what I say. We could hang on to young, English players a lot longer and see more money from it.
I posted something similar last year
Evans bent over the negotiations table...again ! by Westcountryblue 27 Jun 2018 16:10Here are the facts...
1 . Norwich showed much more resolve at the negotiations table. 22m for Maddison is a cracking deal, 5m for Webster is pathetic.
2. Bristol have sold a 28 year old CB, who is a similar standard of player to Webster for 7m. Webster is 23 years old, with the potential to be a far superior defender. Yet somehow Bristol City have ended up banking 2m...We should have asked for 7m at least.
3. PH will have to spend a decent amount of the money he receives on replacing Webster. A similar quality replacement won't be cheap.
4. Nothing over the past few years suggests that PH will see much of this money.
5. Selling to a division rival...smacks of a lack of ambition.
6. Portsmouth will see some of this money.
I'd have like to have seen a bit more backbone from ME at the negotiation table.
We've been robbed here.
And got absolutely hammered for it. A 25 million pound bid one year later and I’d say my credibility isn’t all that bad | | | |
| Webster 20m on 14:23 - Aug 1 with 2078 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Webster 20m on 13:23 - Aug 1 by J2BLUE |
People need to realise that our long term trajectory under Evans is down. We might win the league this season but we will have the same investment issues next year. If we were in the Championship this season we could not compete with Luton when it comes to fees.
For a long time Evans funded the basics but did not invest. As the years go by it seems he is increasingly reluctant to even fund the basics. How many times have we had three CBs or been short of basic cover? This season it looks like the gaps in the squad will be filled with a trialist and a loan striker we probably wouldn't want if he had more choice.
Evans took a gamble on our club and he failed. Now Town fans are going to pay for it until someone else buys the club which might never happen. Evans isn't a bad man. I fully understand his reluctance to throw money at the club just to stand still but now he doesn't even want to do that we are going to fall down the pyramid. In five years we will likely be an established league one side.
My biggest concern is the possible creation of a closed shop two tier Premier League while we are mid table in league one and completely irrelevant. |
To be fair that's a pretty balanced summary.
If we think life as a fan of an EFL club is hard... imagine being the owner.
...and there lies the problem, you'd have to be an idiot to buy the club from Evans. [Post edited 1 Aug 2019 14:23]
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| Webster 20m on 14:23 - Aug 1 with 2070 views | footers |
"It's incredibly frustrating"
It certainly is. So frustrating. |  |
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