| Socialist types 19:34 - Nov 6 with 13011 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
are some of the most annoying people ever to walk the planet. Especially those who all get the benefits of living in a capitalist society.
Why should people feel guilty for working hard being successful and earning lots of money? Not to mention they pay a lot more in tax. Listening to Corbyn makes me want to throw up. |  | | |  |
| Socialist types on 19:53 - Nov 6 with 3434 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 19:51 - Nov 6 by footers |
Charity is a failure of the state. If you spend your time and money doing something the state should be doing, doesn't that give you a bit of a hint? Probably not in your case. |
Nah mate. Rich people are rich because they did it all themselves. Poor people are lazy obviously. |  |
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| Socialist types on 19:54 - Nov 6 with 3430 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Socialist types on 19:47 - Nov 6 by No9 |
OK how do you plan to change that without taxing the well off?
Look at what the charities are saying and you should be able to work out that circa 40% of the population are struggling. |
Personally I think a lot more focus on education, youth programs and a change in attitude would do a lot of good in some of these communities. Pay those in education a lot more money to go and work there than the posh schools. There's also poverty and poverty. There are not 5 millions children living on the streets, so it's social mobility shouldn't be impossible. A decent education is attainable for the middle to lower social class in the UK, at least it used to be. The other problem is England being so London centric I guess. I assume the wage disparity is bad without other major markets in various big cities, that's tougher to tackle. | | | |
| Socialist types on 19:54 - Nov 6 with 3429 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 19:52 - Nov 6 by Funge |
No one actually *needs* a billion quid though, do they?
Few million quid in the bank, buy some silly house, your own cove in Cornwall, that bloke from Blur making your own personalised cheese, all that guff.
But a billion? Whats the point? |
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| Socialist types on 19:55 - Nov 6 with 3425 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 19:54 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Personally I think a lot more focus on education, youth programs and a change in attitude would do a lot of good in some of these communities. Pay those in education a lot more money to go and work there than the posh schools. There's also poverty and poverty. There are not 5 millions children living on the streets, so it's social mobility shouldn't be impossible. A decent education is attainable for the middle to lower social class in the UK, at least it used to be. The other problem is England being so London centric I guess. I assume the wage disparity is bad without other major markets in various big cities, that's tougher to tackle. |
Jesus wept.
How do you think all that will be funded...? Maybe some of the wealthiest people in the land could put their hands in their pockets... [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 19:57]
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| Socialist types on 19:57 - Nov 6 with 3411 views | Funge |
Yeah, I suppose. But what's the point?
We all sleep, we all eat, we all sh1t. I'm pretty happy doing what I'm doing, with my family, loved ones and mates around me, sitting around in my pants watching Norwood wrestling GIFs.
I don't actually know what point I'm making here. The central heating is on, and I've drunk most of a bottle of red wine. [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 19:58]
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| Socialist types on 19:58 - Nov 6 with 3406 views | footers |
| Socialist types on 19:55 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose |
Jesus wept.
How do you think all that will be funded...? Maybe some of the wealthiest people in the land could put their hands in their pockets... [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 19:57]
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Perhaps a tax increase from those who could afford it? |  |
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| Socialist types on 19:58 - Nov 6 with 3406 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 19:57 - Nov 6 by Funge |
Yeah, I suppose. But what's the point?
We all sleep, we all eat, we all sh1t. I'm pretty happy doing what I'm doing, with my family, loved ones and mates around me, sitting around in my pants watching Norwood wrestling GIFs.
I don't actually know what point I'm making here. The central heating is on, and I've drunk most of a bottle of red wine. [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 19:58]
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I guess if you had a billion or two you could employ Norwood to do nothing else but make wrestling gifs? | |
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| Socialist types on 19:59 - Nov 6 with 3406 views | tractordownsouth |
| Socialist types on 19:53 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose |
Nah mate. Rich people are rich because they did it all themselves. Poor people are lazy obviously. |
It makes me laugh that some right wingers think there is a direct correlation between hard work/ importance of work and earnings and that people who do not earn much are lazy. Yet asking people to pay a little more to help people in poverty is ' idealistic' |  |
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| Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 with 3401 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 19:59 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth |
It makes me laugh that some right wingers think there is a direct correlation between hard work/ importance of work and earnings and that people who do not earn much are lazy. Yet asking people to pay a little more to help people in poverty is ' idealistic' |
It's just a fancy way of avoiding having to say 'yeah I'm selfish and I just don't care'. | |
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| Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 with 3403 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Socialist types on 19:47 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth |
The UK does have rich people and people in poverty. His argument is that people at the top should bear the burden of taxation to help people out of poverty, rather than people who are in low paid work ( many of whom are in poverty themselves.) Under Labour's tax plan, someone earning £85,000 per year would pay an extra £21 in tax per month, hardly revolutionary stuff.
And going back to your previous point about working hard, surely you don't believe that all people in poverty don't work hard? |
You're putting words in my mouth. The end of the day some people will be successful, some won't, we can't all be equal. I think a lot of it is being smart, taking calculated risks and working hard to make your way up. Overall I do believe in a meritocracy doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with me. Of course some people will be born in tougher circumstances but a lot manage to work there way out of it.
The UK Tax payer does pay more money the money they make, Just like out here, earnings based in certain tax brackets, correct? We need to be smart with that money though. The burden should not just be on the wealthy, whatever wealthy is these days. | | | |
| Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 with 3394 views | Funge |
| Socialist types on 19:58 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose |
I guess if you had a billion or two you could employ Norwood to do nothing else but make wrestling gifs? |
It would be forced, man.
I like Norwood more than any other Towun player in a little while. | | | |
| Socialist types on 20:02 - Nov 6 with 3375 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Socialist types on 19:52 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth |
How is that relevant to what I said? Where have labour said people should feel guilty for working hard or making money, or that they want a non- capitalist society?
If the labour manifesto says they will introduce a tax on all wealth above £999m then come back and have the conversation. |
A billion quid is a lot of money. A labour spokesman said "“I don't think anyone in this country should be a billionaire”. So that's a clear statement that he wishes to cap how much money somebody has. That is completely different to wanting people to pay more tax.
As for not wanting a non capitalist society.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44189922/john-mcdonnell-says-overthrow |  |
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| Socialist types on 20:03 - Nov 6 with 3384 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're putting words in my mouth. The end of the day some people will be successful, some won't, we can't all be equal. I think a lot of it is being smart, taking calculated risks and working hard to make your way up. Overall I do believe in a meritocracy doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with me. Of course some people will be born in tougher circumstances but a lot manage to work there way out of it.
The UK Tax payer does pay more money the money they make, Just like out here, earnings based in certain tax brackets, correct? We need to be smart with that money though. The burden should not just be on the wealthy, whatever wealthy is these days. |
That's just a long winded way of saying 'someone needs to pay for all this, but it shouldn't be me'. | |
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| Socialist types on 20:03 - Nov 6 with 3382 views | jeera |
| Socialist types on 19:59 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth |
It makes me laugh that some right wingers think there is a direct correlation between hard work/ importance of work and earnings and that people who do not earn much are lazy. Yet asking people to pay a little more to help people in poverty is ' idealistic' |
And unfamiliar with the term 'exploitation' apparently.
No one just 'gets' wealthy alone. |  |
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| Socialist types on 20:03 - Nov 6 with 3383 views | footers |
| Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're putting words in my mouth. The end of the day some people will be successful, some won't, we can't all be equal. I think a lot of it is being smart, taking calculated risks and working hard to make your way up. Overall I do believe in a meritocracy doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with me. Of course some people will be born in tougher circumstances but a lot manage to work there way out of it.
The UK Tax payer does pay more money the money they make, Just like out here, earnings based in certain tax brackets, correct? We need to be smart with that money though. The burden should not just be on the wealthy, whatever wealthy is these days. |
So you're arguing for a flat tax rate? | |
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| Socialist types on 20:04 - Nov 6 with 3378 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Socialist types on 19:55 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose |
Jesus wept.
How do you think all that will be funded...? Maybe some of the wealthiest people in the land could put their hands in their pockets... [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 19:57]
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All what? I am saying more focus and more money into this and it absolutely should be funded, smartly, by taxes. I don't think I have said that rich people shouldn't pay tax have I? The notion that we shouldn't have such a disparity in society is nonsense though just because some people have worked their way to wealth. The free market actually gives people opportunity rather than restricting them, from all walks of life. | | | |
| Socialist types on 20:05 - Nov 6 with 3371 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Socialist types on 20:03 - Nov 6 by footers |
So you're arguing for a flat tax rate? |
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| Socialist types on 20:05 - Nov 6 with 3370 views | footers |
It's so much that you can pay off ten bigoted MPs with it! | |
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| Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 with 3368 views | tractordownsouth |
| Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're putting words in my mouth. The end of the day some people will be successful, some won't, we can't all be equal. I think a lot of it is being smart, taking calculated risks and working hard to make your way up. Overall I do believe in a meritocracy doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with me. Of course some people will be born in tougher circumstances but a lot manage to work there way out of it.
The UK Tax payer does pay more money the money they make, Just like out here, earnings based in certain tax brackets, correct? We need to be smart with that money though. The burden should not just be on the wealthy, whatever wealthy is these days. |
Yeah of course most people who become rich do so from working hard and taking, and I don't begrudge that at all. But what I dispute is the idea that people who aren't rich don't work as hard ( I know you haven't said this but it's implied.)
Yeah of course we should all pay our way, but the tax band for earners over £150k has actually fallen, and Boris Johnson advocated further tax cuts for earners of 80k or above in his manifesto, so it's not as if Income Tax has been rising. The fact that inequality is at its worst since the Victorian era can only be solved by increasing taxation at the top end and not the bottom. | |
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| Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 with 3363 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 20:04 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
All what? I am saying more focus and more money into this and it absolutely should be funded, smartly, by taxes. I don't think I have said that rich people shouldn't pay tax have I? The notion that we shouldn't have such a disparity in society is nonsense though just because some people have worked their way to wealth. The free market actually gives people opportunity rather than restricting them, from all walks of life. |
I feel sorry for you that you think economic disparity in society is something that we need to tolerate. | |
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| Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 with 3362 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Socialist types on 20:03 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose |
That's just a long winded way of saying 'someone needs to pay for all this, but it shouldn't be me'. |
Again you're making things up but that doesn't surprise me. | | | |
| Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 with 3370 views | factual_blue |
| Socialist types on 19:41 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose |
Is the concept of charity really that alien to you? |
It's just that some people are really suckered by the American Dream, which is and only ever was social control to keep the numerous poor of the US content with their lot with the utterly false notion that 'anybody can become President'.
(Although trumpy-wumpy has shown an allied concept to be true; that a nobody can become President). |  |
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| Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 with 3353 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Socialist types on 19:52 - Nov 6 by Funge |
No one actually *needs* a billion quid though, do they?
Few million quid in the bank, buy some silly house, your own cove in Cornwall, that bloke from Blur making your own personalised cheese, all that guff.
But a billion? Whats the point? |
I agree that nobody "needs" that amount of money but it's a bi product of owning or running a multi national successful company that employs millions of people in the country.
Branson for example, is a billionaire. Now when he started flogging records out of the boot of his car he didn't imagine the billions he would be worth but imagine this country without his contribution to culture and travel. Bill Gates in US is a multi billionaire. How many billions does he give to good causes.
Tax people by all means, which is a completely different subject. [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 20:08]
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| Socialist types on 20:08 - Nov 6 with 3350 views | SpruceMoose |
| Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Again you're making things up but that doesn't surprise me. |
How did you expect this thread to go though? 90% of your posts on here are thinly veiled brags about how rich you are. So surely you weren't expecting an outpouring of sympathy? | |
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| Socialist types on 20:09 - Nov 6 with 3346 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 by factual_blue |
It's just that some people are really suckered by the American Dream, which is and only ever was social control to keep the numerous poor of the US content with their lot with the utterly false notion that 'anybody can become President'.
(Although trumpy-wumpy has shown an allied concept to be true; that a nobody can become President). |
Oh my god what a load of nonsense. | | | |
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