| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... 12:57 - Dec 15 with 4017 views | itfcjoe |
....hold the Government to account. And not one led by Corbyn and his followers.
Now is the time to join the party so that you can have your say on the direction it goes in.
If you leave it any longer then it may be too late. |  |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:27 - Dec 16 with 604 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:21 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
If Labour people truly think a female leader who will inevitably come across as or be cast as a shrill, scolding, nagging wife can beat Johnson then they really have lost the plot. |
Sadly there’s probably some truth to that
However I think what will really be key is what the Tories do in the next 5 years. If Brexit is delivered and not an unmitigated disaster, plus a few vague austerity reversals then whoever is leading Labour will probably be irrelevant |  |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:29 - Dec 16 with 595 views | chicoazul |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:27 - Dec 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Sadly there’s probably some truth to that
However I think what will really be key is what the Tories do in the next 5 years. If Brexit is delivered and not an unmitigated disaster, plus a few vague austerity reversals then whoever is leading Labour will probably be irrelevant |
It's pretty much irrelevant anyway, no party has ever turned around anything approaching the lead the Tories have. They need a solid pair of hands, someone experienced & patriotic and who can tone down the socialist rhetoric a bit. |  |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:34 - Dec 16 with 580 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:29 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
It's pretty much irrelevant anyway, no party has ever turned around anything approaching the lead the Tories have. They need a solid pair of hands, someone experienced & patriotic and who can tone down the socialist rhetoric a bit. |
I don’t buy the never done before narrative
We live in turbulent times, and the next election could well be fought between a Labour Party that doesn’t have one of its worst ever leaders in charge vs a Tory Party which has been in charge of the country for 14 horrible years plus either not delivering or delivering an absolute Brexit disaster
Labour should still be aiming high | |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:37 - Dec 16 with 576 views | chicoazul |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:34 - Dec 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I don’t buy the never done before narrative
We live in turbulent times, and the next election could well be fought between a Labour Party that doesn’t have one of its worst ever leaders in charge vs a Tory Party which has been in charge of the country for 14 horrible years plus either not delivering or delivering an absolute Brexit disaster
Labour should still be aiming high |
Well it's not a narrative is it, it's just a fact. But I do take your point. Labour are a wreck though, sadly it is almost inevitable they wont learn anything from this, I see the Maximum Leader himself claims they "won the arguments" despite getting thumped. They truly are letting down the poorest & most disadvantaged people in our society. | |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:42 - Dec 16 with 567 views | artsbossbeard |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:29 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
It's pretty much irrelevant anyway, no party has ever turned around anything approaching the lead the Tories have. They need a solid pair of hands, someone experienced & patriotic and who can tone down the socialist rhetoric a bit. |
I was looking at the voting map and was obviously saddened to see the swathes of blue in the northern territories and you do wonder what next for Labour. People have rightly pointed out that Johnson is well aware he's got some on-loan votes to Get Brexit Done.
Now, from an old socialist like myself, I should be glad if Johnson and his team feck up royally on the trade negotiations but there's a bigger picture here which goes way and beyond political bickering.
If he does deliver on these decent trading terms and we come out of this self imposed austerity and allow some public spend, then (hopefully) we will see an end to child poverty, reliance on food banks and some much needed funding to the NHS.
Whether we can trust Johnson to deliver is another matter, I sincerely hope so.
Joe's spot on with a previous post, your local tory MP needs haranguing to deliver on the promises made and remain accountable. |  |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:43 - Dec 16 with 563 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:37 - Dec 16 by chicoazul |
Well it's not a narrative is it, it's just a fact. But I do take your point. Labour are a wreck though, sadly it is almost inevitable they wont learn anything from this, I see the Maximum Leader himself claims they "won the arguments" despite getting thumped. They truly are letting down the poorest & most disadvantaged people in our society. |
Sorry I know it’s never been done - but meant that I don’t buy the narrative that it means Labour should just assume the next one is lost and focus 10 years down the line
If Labour don’t learn anything and offer up more of the same it will be an absolute travesty | |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:52 - Dec 16 with 543 views | chicoazul |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:42 - Dec 16 by artsbossbeard |
I was looking at the voting map and was obviously saddened to see the swathes of blue in the northern territories and you do wonder what next for Labour. People have rightly pointed out that Johnson is well aware he's got some on-loan votes to Get Brexit Done.
Now, from an old socialist like myself, I should be glad if Johnson and his team feck up royally on the trade negotiations but there's a bigger picture here which goes way and beyond political bickering.
If he does deliver on these decent trading terms and we come out of this self imposed austerity and allow some public spend, then (hopefully) we will see an end to child poverty, reliance on food banks and some much needed funding to the NHS.
Whether we can trust Johnson to deliver is another matter, I sincerely hope so.
Joe's spot on with a previous post, your local tory MP needs haranguing to deliver on the promises made and remain accountable. |
I'm sure from that perspective Johnson will be ok. He is a classical Liberal so you and I can expect to get walloped for tax as he pays for his no-doubt-stupid white elephant infrastructure projects and "Green" (sigh) policies. He's basically a fatter, stupider Tony Blair. And the EU will scare him into taking what they offer him. | |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:53 - Dec 16 with 538 views | chicoazul |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 09:43 - Dec 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Sorry I know it’s never been done - but meant that I don’t buy the narrative that it means Labour should just assume the next one is lost and focus 10 years down the line
If Labour don’t learn anything and offer up more of the same it will be an absolute travesty |
agreed! | |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 10:09 - Dec 16 with 514 views | StokieBlue |
Not sure if this is true but saw it on the Guardian - if fake news then someone can please point it out but it's relevant to your OP:
A man who knows Labour rule book inside out says 20th January is likely cut off for new members eligible to vote in the leadership contest. Don’t expect to hear much about it from Lab leadership this time though, worry will be of new joiners voting against RLB/left candidate.
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 10:11 - Dec 16 with 507 views | Darth_Koont |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 19:40 - Dec 15 by hampstead_blue |
Not at all.
If you look I've quoted, highlighted interviews on R4 and the like.
When I've offered opinion it's been from experience.
I will concede that I've been pointed and direct but that ought not distract from the point.
Some have railed against the tone and regularly ignored the point.
I've long held the view that JC is dangerous on so many levels. He still is. So many in high office have agreed it's become embarrassing for his supporters. |
I don't think he's dangerous at all. At least, not compared to the real danger which is what is happening in the country now. And with Brexit and another 5 years of a government that doesn't care still to come.
The UK risks breaking up and is looking at a self-imposed recession thanks to Brexit, never mind any global recession on the way. Meanwhile, before we even get there, huge structural issues and imbalances continue to exist and are getting worse, not least our foundering productivity, deep poverty and crippled public services. If any politician had actually proposed this scenario 10 years after the financial crisis they'd have been rightly called an enemy of the state. |  |
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 12:31 - Dec 16 with 452 views | hampstead_blue |
| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 10:11 - Dec 16 by Darth_Koont |
I don't think he's dangerous at all. At least, not compared to the real danger which is what is happening in the country now. And with Brexit and another 5 years of a government that doesn't care still to come.
The UK risks breaking up and is looking at a self-imposed recession thanks to Brexit, never mind any global recession on the way. Meanwhile, before we even get there, huge structural issues and imbalances continue to exist and are getting worse, not least our foundering productivity, deep poverty and crippled public services. If any politician had actually proposed this scenario 10 years after the financial crisis they'd have been rightly called an enemy of the state. |
We are happy to sit on either side of this, that's cool.
I do think that HE lost the vote. Many people are stating that from the doorstep. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| For those who think we need a strong Labour party to.... on 13:28 - Dec 16 with 432 views | ElephantintheRoom |
This assumes that thopse voting for Corbyn last time round voted for him as leader rather than loser.
I think Labour have made it £50 now to join which will perhaps filter out some self-harm - but I doubt it. |  |
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