| Town's best manager since SBR 11:16 - Feb 3 with 11961 views | The_Last_Baron |
Here's my list:
George Burley
John Lyall
Joe Royle
Mick McCarthy
Jim Magilton
Bobby Ferguson
John Duncan
Roy Keane
Paul Jewell
Mick McGivern
Paul Lambert
Paul Hurst [Post edited 3 Feb 2020 11:33]
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 13:15 - Feb 3 with 4014 views | ElephantintheRoom |
George Burley looks a bit high on that list to me. He IS the only manager to get Town relegated twice and only enjoyed successful spells when 'experienced coaches' helped him out. HIs one promotion in five attempts with a very good team was as a distant third. Even his belated success in the Prem came when his chronic confusion to the Johnson/stewart conundrum solved itself. And he is also the main reason, Keane aside, we are where we are,
Royle quickly showed that a decent manager could achieve with the same players. I'd put Royle and Lyall above Burley - what Lyall achieved was remarkable and is only overlooked because of what had gone so recently before.
And as someone else has already said...Keane should be bottom by a country mile |  |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 13:43 - Feb 3 with 3987 views | Radlett_blue |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 13:15 - Feb 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
George Burley looks a bit high on that list to me. He IS the only manager to get Town relegated twice and only enjoyed successful spells when 'experienced coaches' helped him out. HIs one promotion in five attempts with a very good team was as a distant third. Even his belated success in the Prem came when his chronic confusion to the Johnson/stewart conundrum solved itself. And he is also the main reason, Keane aside, we are where we are,
Royle quickly showed that a decent manager could achieve with the same players. I'd put Royle and Lyall above Burley - what Lyall achieved was remarkable and is only overlooked because of what had gone so recently before.
And as someone else has already said...Keane should be bottom by a country mile |
Yes, I think I have over-rated GB. I saw a lot of Town during our ultimately successful promotion campaign, where you could always see what he was trying to do in terms of a pattern of play & team building. The contrast with the current shambles couldn't be greater as Lambert has thrown out what he first tried to do & now seems to make it up as he goes along. |  |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:16 - Feb 3 with 3977 views | vapour_trail |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 11:43 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
Jonh Lyall may be even above SBR for me, certainly latter SBR when we definitely should have won more than we did. What he did was truly amazing. |
Possibly the stupidest post in twtd history.
Astonishing. |  |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:24 - Feb 3 with 3967 views | PJH |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 11:43 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
Jonh Lyall may be even above SBR for me, certainly latter SBR when we definitely should have won more than we did. What he did was truly amazing. |
John Lyall did what Alf Ramsey, Bill McGarry and George Burley did in as much as he got ITFC promoted to the top division.
Bobby Robson never had the opportunity to get us promoted because we were always in the top division under him.
I agree that we should have won more under SBR but can see absolutely no logic in your opinion that Lyall should perhaps be seen as better than Robson at ITFC. |  | | |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:36 - Feb 3 with 3958 views | chicoazul |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:24 - Feb 3 by PJH |
John Lyall did what Alf Ramsey, Bill McGarry and George Burley did in as much as he got ITFC promoted to the top division.
Bobby Robson never had the opportunity to get us promoted because we were always in the top division under him.
I agree that we should have won more under SBR but can see absolutely no logic in your opinion that Lyall should perhaps be seen as better than Robson at ITFC. |
I think the promotion Lyall achieved is the second greatest achievement in the club's history. He did it against a backdrop of big spenders in Newcastle Derby and Blackburn with a bunch of rejects and kids who were absolutely awful the season before, and he did it with style good play and excellent team spirit. |  |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:37 - Feb 3 with 3956 views | chicoazul |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:16 - Feb 3 by vapour_trail |
Possibly the stupidest post in twtd history.
Astonishing. |
Someone's still sore. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:39 - Feb 3 with 3950 views | PJH |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:36 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
I think the promotion Lyall achieved is the second greatest achievement in the club's history. He did it against a backdrop of big spenders in Newcastle Derby and Blackburn with a bunch of rejects and kids who were absolutely awful the season before, and he did it with style good play and excellent team spirit. |
Fine but how does that compare with winning the F.A. Cup, winning the UEFA Cup and seven times finishing in the top 4 in English football?
Yes we should have got more trophies under SBR But... | | | |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:41 - Feb 3 with 3952 views | tractordownsouth |
Burley
Lyall
Royle
McCarthy
Magilton
Ferguson
Duncan
Lambert
McGiven
Jewell
Keane
Hurst |  |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:44 - Feb 3 with 3938 views | chicoazul |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:39 - Feb 3 by PJH |
Fine but how does that compare with winning the F.A. Cup, winning the UEFA Cup and seven times finishing in the top 4 in English football?
Yes we should have got more trophies under SBR But... |
SBR was blessed with brilliant kids coming through over 4 or 5 years and got slightly lucky with signing Arnold and Frans. Lyall didnt enjoy any of those advantages and also did it at a time when money was starting to dictate success rather than the other way round. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:08 - Feb 3 with 3919 views | Pecker |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:44 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
SBR was blessed with brilliant kids coming through over 4 or 5 years and got slightly lucky with signing Arnold and Frans. Lyall didnt enjoy any of those advantages and also did it at a time when money was starting to dictate success rather than the other way round. |
" lucky "???? He saw 2 Dutch players who could take us to a different level. How I wish more of our managers since could have been so "lucky". |  | | |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:33 - Feb 3 with 3909 views | Radlett_blue |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:36 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
I think the promotion Lyall achieved is the second greatest achievement in the club's history. He did it against a backdrop of big spenders in Newcastle Derby and Blackburn with a bunch of rejects and kids who were absolutely awful the season before, and he did it with style good play and excellent team spirit. |
Really?
Lyall lucked out with Dozzell & Kiwomya coming of age. Without even one of those 2, I don;t think we would have gone up.
Whitton & Goddard were effective signings; credit to him for that & he also found a settled team & stuck with it.
He also made poor signings once we were promoted, such as Slater & Paz.
He also never really integrated into the club, preferring to commute from London. I think he didn't really want to be here, which led to him handing over the first team to McGiven, with disastrous results in 1993-94 & his solution was to sideline McGiven & put the totally inexperienced Goddard & Wark in charge as first team coaches, with even more disastrous results. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:46 - Feb 3 with 3896 views | solemio |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:33 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue |
Really?
Lyall lucked out with Dozzell & Kiwomya coming of age. Without even one of those 2, I don;t think we would have gone up.
Whitton & Goddard were effective signings; credit to him for that & he also found a settled team & stuck with it.
He also made poor signings once we were promoted, such as Slater & Paz.
He also never really integrated into the club, preferring to commute from London. I think he didn't really want to be here, which led to him handing over the first team to McGiven, with disastrous results in 1993-94 & his solution was to sideline McGiven & put the totally inexperienced Goddard & Wark in charge as first team coaches, with even more disastrous results. |
I thought he moved to Ipswich after his time with the club. | | | |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:46 - Feb 3 with 3896 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 12:16 - Feb 3 by PJH |
Mick McGiven was never actually our manager as in club manager but other than that the list in the OP is just about right for me except I would have Keane below Jewell and at the moment Lambert above both of them. |
He was the de facto manager. Mick McNegative. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:49 - Feb 3 with 3890 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:33 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue |
Really?
Lyall lucked out with Dozzell & Kiwomya coming of age. Without even one of those 2, I don;t think we would have gone up.
Whitton & Goddard were effective signings; credit to him for that & he also found a settled team & stuck with it.
He also made poor signings once we were promoted, such as Slater & Paz.
He also never really integrated into the club, preferring to commute from London. I think he didn't really want to be here, which led to him handing over the first team to McGiven, with disastrous results in 1993-94 & his solution was to sideline McGiven & put the totally inexperienced Goddard & Wark in charge as first team coaches, with even more disastrous results. |
Lyall lived on a farm in Suffolk for the rest of his life! | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:50 - Feb 3 with 3889 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:33 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue |
Really?
Lyall lucked out with Dozzell & Kiwomya coming of age. Without even one of those 2, I don;t think we would have gone up.
Whitton & Goddard were effective signings; credit to him for that & he also found a settled team & stuck with it.
He also made poor signings once we were promoted, such as Slater & Paz.
He also never really integrated into the club, preferring to commute from London. I think he didn't really want to be here, which led to him handing over the first team to McGiven, with disastrous results in 1993-94 & his solution was to sideline McGiven & put the totally inexperienced Goddard & Wark in charge as first team coaches, with even more disastrous results. |
You've missed Taricco out... which again shows how luck comes into it.
I'm not sure if the original post was a wind up but its basically true...in an era when Luton and Norwich won trophies Town's one FA Cup after a very streaky draw in an otherwise disastrous year was a poor domestic return when you consider how good the team was from 1975 onwards.
I think the lucky Dutch signings quip is basically true too... Robson wanted Butch WIlkins for £1million... Thijssen only turned up after Muehren insisted on his Twente sidekick | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:51 - Feb 3 with 3888 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:36 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
I think the promotion Lyall achieved is the second greatest achievement in the club's history. He did it against a backdrop of big spenders in Newcastle Derby and Blackburn with a bunch of rejects and kids who were absolutely awful the season before, and he did it with style good play and excellent team spirit. |
John Lyall had good players, Kiwomya and Dozzell at their peak, Forrest a fine keeper, Neil Thompson, Gavin Johnson when he was good, Zondervan was a calm ball player, Steve Whitton for 100k was a brilliant signing. Wark coming back was a stroke of luck but he was magnificent in 91-92.
Even Steve Palmer had a fine season in 91-92. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:52 - Feb 3 with 3888 views | chicoazul |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:33 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue |
Really?
Lyall lucked out with Dozzell & Kiwomya coming of age. Without even one of those 2, I don;t think we would have gone up.
Whitton & Goddard were effective signings; credit to him for that & he also found a settled team & stuck with it.
He also made poor signings once we were promoted, such as Slater & Paz.
He also never really integrated into the club, preferring to commute from London. I think he didn't really want to be here, which led to him handing over the first team to McGiven, with disastrous results in 1993-94 & his solution was to sideline McGiven & put the totally inexperienced Goddard & Wark in charge as first team coaches, with even more disastrous results. |
No, he lived in a village near Alton Water.
All good Managers have an element of luck when they're successful but it was Lyall who paired the 2 up front, Jason was a MFer until that point. You're right about how it ended but don't forget he was Manager for 2 seasons after promotion when we stayed up without spending any money at all (apart from on Paul Mason and Bontcho, Bontcho Bontcho, Bontcho Bontcho, Bontcho Bontcho Guentchev) as the military-industrial Premier League was formed. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:02 - Feb 3 with 3886 views | Radlett_blue |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:51 - Feb 3 by The_Last_Baron |
John Lyall had good players, Kiwomya and Dozzell at their peak, Forrest a fine keeper, Neil Thompson, Gavin Johnson when he was good, Zondervan was a calm ball player, Steve Whitton for 100k was a brilliant signing. Wark coming back was a stroke of luck but he was magnificent in 91-92.
Even Steve Palmer had a fine season in 91-92. |
Although the team only really went on a promotion winning run after Palmer lost his place. I thought he was poor - ran around chasing the ball like an angry bull although he did carve out a career as a 2nd division centre back/utility player. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:04 - Feb 3 with 3885 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:02 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue |
Although the team only really went on a promotion winning run after Palmer lost his place. I thought he was poor - ran around chasing the ball like an angry bull although he did carve out a career as a 2nd division centre back/utility player. |
When he played that season he did well, I remember him having a stormer in the 3-2 win at home to Newcastle.
He had a fine career with Watford after us. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:05 - Feb 3 with 3889 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 14:41 - Feb 3 by tractordownsouth |
Burley
Lyall
Royle
McCarthy
Magilton
Ferguson
Duncan
Lambert
McGiven
Jewell
Keane
Hurst |
Lambert is making Keane & Jewell look good, there is no way he is above them.
Him & Hurst are bottom 2 by a distance. |  |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:08 - Feb 3 with 3882 views | peterleeblue |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 11:27 - Feb 3 by BryanPlug |
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He should be bottom.
He openly admitted he made a mistake when he turned up on day one and realised he was wearing blue.......BLUE!!!
He started the rot. |  | | |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:12 - Feb 3 with 3880 views | Radlett_blue |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:50 - Feb 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
You've missed Taricco out... which again shows how luck comes into it.
I'm not sure if the original post was a wind up but its basically true...in an era when Luton and Norwich won trophies Town's one FA Cup after a very streaky draw in an otherwise disastrous year was a poor domestic return when you consider how good the team was from 1975 onwards.
I think the lucky Dutch signings quip is basically true too... Robson wanted Butch WIlkins for £1million... Thijssen only turned up after Muehren insisted on his Twente sidekick |
There is luck in football, especially with signings. However, SBR really knew when to let a player go. I can hardly remember anyone leaving Town when he was in charge & going on to have much more of a career. You should know what you have; new signings are obviously riskier.
Yes, that team should have won more trophies. We were cheated out of the Fa Cup in 1975 by Clive Thomas, but should certainly have won the League a couple of times. While injuries & a thin squad chasing too many trophies did for us in 1981, I did feel that SBR got very anxious & agitated when the heat was on & that must have transmitted itself through to the players. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:21 - Feb 3 with 3870 views | chicoazul |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:02 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue |
Although the team only really went on a promotion winning run after Palmer lost his place. I thought he was poor - ran around chasing the ball like an angry bull although he did carve out a career as a 2nd division centre back/utility player. |
Incorrect, it was Milton Palmer in midfield when we went on our best runs that season. Zondervan and Goddard always slowed us down. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:24 - Feb 3 with 3867 views | Radlett_blue |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:21 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
Incorrect, it was Milton Palmer in midfield when we went on our best runs that season. Zondervan and Goddard always slowed us down. |
Palmer lost his place after we lost to Watford in March 1992. He started one of Town's last 11 games that season. | |
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| Town's best manager since SBR on 16:31 - Feb 3 with 3864 views | PJH |
| Town's best manager since SBR on 15:49 - Feb 3 by The_Last_Baron |
Lyall lived on a farm in Suffolk for the rest of his life! |
In or near Tattingstone wasn't it? | | | |
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