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I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 16:56 - Feb 3 by JammyDodgerrr
Burley relegated us twice.
Well, rather like Lambert, he got a free pass from me of the first relegation as we had an awful squad. Yes, he messed up royal when we went down, by making terrible signings. If only he'd managed to get Hassan Kachloul it all might have been very different.
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 17:11 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue
Well, rather like Lambert, he got a free pass from me of the first relegation as we had an awful squad. Yes, he messed up royal when we went down, by making terrible signings. If only he'd managed to get Hassan Kachloul it all might have been very different.
Burley is being eulogised in this thread for doing what Lambert is doing.... albeit at a higher level. He 'acheived' relegation in his first season, comfortably making a dire season much worse.... a mirror image of what Lambert has done.
He then made a relative pig's ear of getting a very good team promoted, which realtively speaking is what Lambert is now doing. Maybe after a four failed attempts and then coming third in the fifth year of his contract (call it a five year plan maybe) Lambert will become a hero.
Maybe the real one that got away for Burley was Mark Poom.... a sensible goalie signing when Wright left would have been very useful
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 17:25 - Feb 3 by ElephantintheRoom
Burley is being eulogised in this thread for doing what Lambert is doing.... albeit at a higher level. He 'acheived' relegation in his first season, comfortably making a dire season much worse.... a mirror image of what Lambert has done.
He then made a relative pig's ear of getting a very good team promoted, which realtively speaking is what Lambert is now doing. Maybe after a four failed attempts and then coming third in the fifth year of his contract (call it a five year plan maybe) Lambert will become a hero.
Maybe the real one that got away for Burley was Mark Poom.... a sensible goalie signing when Wright left would have been very useful
Yes, I was joking about Kachloul, whose subsequent career suggested he would have been another GB dud. GB did put in a sizeable bid for Poom, which Derby rejected so we ended up with the Marshall/Sereni flip flopping. Credit to GB for building that promotion team though, as the relegated squad didn't exactly look promising & we initially made very few additions. He did bring in Mathie before we were relegated, then the season after Petta, who eventually came good plus Cundy & then Venus, Johnson , Wilnis, Clapham, Mowbray, Magilton, Jermaine Wright, Reuser, McGreal & Stewart. So he pretty much built an excellent team despite having to sell the better players. Yes, we did bottle it a couple of times & used to get bullied in big games.
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 17:11 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue
Well, rather like Lambert, he got a free pass from me of the first relegation as we had an awful squad. Yes, he messed up royal when we went down, by making terrible signings. If only he'd managed to get Hassan Kachloul it all might have been very different.
I think Burley had far less chance of keeping us up in a shorter period and tougher league in 94/95 than Lambert did last season.
I think Burley having a free pass that season is acceptable but I just wish Lambert had made a serious attempt to keep us up last season, his task was difficult but far far from impossible.
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Town's best manager since SBR on 18:42 - Feb 3 with 2142 views
I agree with that list. Apart from Lambert for now.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt as he inherited the worst mess we've ever seen. And arguably staying up would have been an utter miracle probably equalling or surpassing Mick turning us around.
Lambert couldn't do that but he's not (yet) left us in a worse position. A worse position will be staying here for another season and possibly even if we scrape up and have a team that's totally not ready to compete. Both will be blown opportunities that could have justified this League One "adventure".
I'd put him just above or below Keane at the moment.
George Burley John Lyall Jim Magilton Mick McCarthy Joe Royle Bobby Ferguson Mick McGiven John Duncan Paul Jewell Paul Hurst Paul Lambert (to date) Roy Keane
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 18:25 - Feb 3 by PJH
I think Burley had far less chance of keeping us up in a shorter period and tougher league in 94/95 than Lambert did last season.
I think Burley having a free pass that season is acceptable but I just wish Lambert had made a serious attempt to keep us up last season, his task was difficult but far far from impossible.
At this moment in time Lambert is below Jewell for me.
At least under Jewell we at times played some great football (doubling West Ham etc) before it went wrong. I also think he deserves half a point for admitting when the game was up and walked away.
Jewell meant well but forgot to bother with the defence
At least in some cases, Jewell's signings in some cases actually proved successful
Cresswell and Chambers off the top of my head, are there any others in there?
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
Town's best manager since SBR on 21:59 - Feb 3 by Bluefish
The numbskulls work so hard to outdo themselves
I've always defended McCarthy but pointing out that McGiven did the job for two seasons in the Premier League is hardly a numbskull act, so get back in your box.
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Town's best manager since SBR on 23:48 - Feb 3 with 2005 views
Town's best manager since SBR on 22:21 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue
McGiven? Better than McCarthy? He was in charge of the first team for one season & it was diabolical.
Context is all in making that choice and I don't disagree with you about the standard of football but McGiven did the job for two seasons, not one (see attached MOTD lineup from 1992-93) and led us to league wins over Manchester United among others. He also has 3 East Anglian derby wins and progress in both cups including our last FA Cup quarter-final under his belt too.
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I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 23:55 - Feb 3 with 2002 views
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 18:11 - Feb 3 by Radlett_blue
Yes, I was joking about Kachloul, whose subsequent career suggested he would have been another GB dud. GB did put in a sizeable bid for Poom, which Derby rejected so we ended up with the Marshall/Sereni flip flopping. Credit to GB for building that promotion team though, as the relegated squad didn't exactly look promising & we initially made very few additions. He did bring in Mathie before we were relegated, then the season after Petta, who eventually came good plus Cundy & then Venus, Johnson , Wilnis, Clapham, Mowbray, Magilton, Jermaine Wright, Reuser, McGreal & Stewart. So he pretty much built an excellent team despite having to sell the better players. Yes, we did bottle it a couple of times & used to get bullied in big games.
Town agreed a fee with Derby for Poom £5m. Poom agreed terms with Town. The deal was basically done. Then at the 11th hour Derby pulled the deal as the deal they had lined up as a replacement fell through. That led to Sereni being signed instead just before the season started for £4.8m, of which £2.4m went to Sereni.
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 23:55 - Feb 3 by The_Last_Baron
Town agreed a fee with Derby for Poom £5m. Poom agreed terms with Town. The deal was basically done. Then at the 11th hour Derby pulled the deal as the deal they had lined up as a replacement fell through. That led to Sereni being signed instead just before the season started for £4.8m, of which £2.4m went to Sereni.
The interesting thing about this list is how many managers there have been post-Robson. And IF Robson had been fired after the 'Robson, Robson you must go!" chants, he'd probably have been judged the worst of the post-McGarry managers.
The other interesting thing about the list is that pre-Robson, Town managers went on to better things by and large. After Robson it's more or less downhill all the way. Which perhaps tells its own story
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 08:52 - Feb 4 by ElephantintheRoom
The interesting thing about this list is how many managers there have been post-Robson. And IF Robson had been fired after the 'Robson, Robson you must go!" chants, he'd probably have been judged the worst of the post-McGarry managers.
The other interesting thing about the list is that pre-Robson, Town managers went on to better things by and large. After Robson it's more or less downhill all the way. Which perhaps tells its own story
I suppose technically you are right but we only had four full time managers as a league club prior to SBR. Scott Duncan-retired. Alf Ramsey-obviously went on to bigger and better. Jackie Milburn-certainly did not go on to bigger and better. Bill McGarry-probably went on to bigger and better(for a while).
There might be some relevance to the comment if there had been ten or a dozen managers before SBR but not sure with there only being four of which two did not go on to better things means too much.
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I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 09:13 - Feb 4 with 1949 views
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 09:07 - Feb 4 by PJH
I suppose technically you are right but we only had four full time managers as a league club prior to SBR. Scott Duncan-retired. Alf Ramsey-obviously went on to bigger and better. Jackie Milburn-certainly did not go on to bigger and better. Bill McGarry-probably went on to bigger and better(for a while).
There might be some relevance to the comment if there had been ten or a dozen managers before SBR but not sure with there only being four of which two did not go on to better things means too much.
Different times. Back in the 1950s most clubs kept their managers for years, even if the club was relegated. Of course, they had far less control then as well, with directors often picking the team. Very few stay at a League club these days for more than a couple of years. If you have the continental Director of Football/first team coach model that can be OK as you can have a consistent footballing strategy. Firing the manager plus their myriad of assistants, coaches & bottle washers every 2 years is a recipe for disaster. So while I have little confidence in Lambert, replacing him now or in the summer would probably be worse.
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 09:13 - Feb 4 by Radlett_blue
Different times. Back in the 1950s most clubs kept their managers for years, even if the club was relegated. Of course, they had far less control then as well, with directors often picking the team. Very few stay at a League club these days for more than a couple of years. If you have the continental Director of Football/first team coach model that can be OK as you can have a consistent footballing strategy. Firing the manager plus their myriad of assistants, coaches & bottle washers every 2 years is a recipe for disaster. So while I have little confidence in Lambert, replacing him now or in the summer would probably be worse.
Agree with all that except I would say that if we are still a third division club in the summer then there should be doubts about Paul Lambert still being here because by then he would have lost a lot of the fan base that he has helped to build up. With what will then be about twenty months of failing to achieve what was achievable I would find it hard to justify him still being here.
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Town's best manager since SBR on 09:30 - Feb 4 with 1939 views
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 09:07 - Feb 4 by PJH
I suppose technically you are right but we only had four full time managers as a league club prior to SBR. Scott Duncan-retired. Alf Ramsey-obviously went on to bigger and better. Jackie Milburn-certainly did not go on to bigger and better. Bill McGarry-probably went on to bigger and better(for a while).
There might be some relevance to the comment if there had been ten or a dozen managers before SBR but not sure with there only being four of which two did not go on to better things means too much.
hmmm the point being that Town didn't shed managers like confetti for the first 40 years of their existance.... and if you include Robson in my comment, as intended then yes indeed they largely went onto to much better things. Mcgarry was taking wolves into Europe whilst Robson battled relegation.
Granted, even now they don't sack managers as enthusiastically as most clubs - but not having a single one who has bettered himself since leaving Portman Road in nigh on forty years.... it does rather tell a story.
I'm sure some people actually forget.... on 17:25 - Feb 3 by ElephantintheRoom
Burley is being eulogised in this thread for doing what Lambert is doing.... albeit at a higher level. He 'acheived' relegation in his first season, comfortably making a dire season much worse.... a mirror image of what Lambert has done.
He then made a relative pig's ear of getting a very good team promoted, which realtively speaking is what Lambert is now doing. Maybe after a four failed attempts and then coming third in the fifth year of his contract (call it a five year plan maybe) Lambert will become a hero.
Maybe the real one that got away for Burley was Mark Poom.... a sensible goalie signing when Wright left would have been very useful
I like the way you’ve completely glossed over the whole finishing 5th in the Premier League part of Burley’s reign there
Highlighting crass stupidity since sometime around 2010
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