| Kill your pets 17:48 - Feb 12 with 11955 views | Lord_Lucan |
The New Scientist, in a recent editorial entitled "Cute, fluffy and horribly greedy", largely agreed with the book's findings that some pets, due to the food they eat, have a surprisingly high "ecological footprint" (a way of quantifying human demand on the planet's ecosystems using a measure called "global hectares"). "According to the authors . . . it takes 0.84 hectares [2.07 acres] of land to keep a medium-sized dog fed. In contrast, running a 4.6-litre Toyota Land Cruiser, including the energy required to construct the thing and drive it 10,000km a year, requires 0.41 hectares. Dogs are not the only environmental sinners. The eco-footprint of a cat equates to that of a Volkswagen Golf. If that's troubling, there is an even more shocking comparison. In 2004, the average citizen of Vietnam had an ecological footprint of 0.76 hectares. For an Ethiopian, it was just 0.67 hectares. In a world where scarce resources are already hogged by the rich, can we really justify keeping pets that take more than some people?"
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427313-200-cute-fluffy-and-horribly-gre |  |
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| Kill your pets on 13:32 - Feb 13 with 2011 views | Herbivore |
| Kill your pets on 13:25 - Feb 13 by monytowbray |
I was depressed and lonely. Seems reasonable to me. I had two cats but my ex took them when we broke up. |
Sure, but it's essentially a similar version of the cognitive dissonance that you point out when telling meat eaters they wouldn't eat their pet dog so they shouldn't eat another animal. You think it's wrong to farm animals for human consumption but you buy pet food that is made from farmed animals. It's hard to square that circle, which is why I wouldn't get another pet that needs to eat meat. None of us is perfect, but it's really hard to justify owning a carnivorous pet as a vegan without some mental gymnastics to get around the hypocrisy. I'm just owning my hypocrisy for now. |  |
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| Kill your pets on 13:41 - Feb 13 with 1992 views | GeoffSentence |
| Kill your pets on 13:32 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Sure, but it's essentially a similar version of the cognitive dissonance that you point out when telling meat eaters they wouldn't eat their pet dog so they shouldn't eat another animal. You think it's wrong to farm animals for human consumption but you buy pet food that is made from farmed animals. It's hard to square that circle, which is why I wouldn't get another pet that needs to eat meat. None of us is perfect, but it's really hard to justify owning a carnivorous pet as a vegan without some mental gymnastics to get around the hypocrisy. I'm just owning my hypocrisy for now. |
You can get vegan dog food, I'd hazard a guess that Callis does so.
But even so, should vegan's have pets? |  |
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| Kill your pets on 13:44 - Feb 13 with 1979 views | monytowbray |
| Kill your pets on 13:32 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Sure, but it's essentially a similar version of the cognitive dissonance that you point out when telling meat eaters they wouldn't eat their pet dog so they shouldn't eat another animal. You think it's wrong to farm animals for human consumption but you buy pet food that is made from farmed animals. It's hard to square that circle, which is why I wouldn't get another pet that needs to eat meat. None of us is perfect, but it's really hard to justify owning a carnivorous pet as a vegan without some mental gymnastics to get around the hypocrisy. I'm just owning my hypocrisy for now. |
Owe I own it for sure, was just saying why I got a cat and I'm in a similar boat to you.
I just can't be arsed to be lectured about having a pet by any meat eater who's looking for a stick to beat with rather than, you know, a discussion because they actually care. Which is why I've replied to you. |  |
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| Kill your pets on 13:50 - Feb 13 with 1959 views | Herbivore |
| Kill your pets on 13:41 - Feb 13 by GeoffSentence |
You can get vegan dog food, I'd hazard a guess that Callis does so.
But even so, should vegan's have pets? |
Dogs are omnivores so can (potentially) survive on a vegan diet. Cats are obligate carnivores and although there have been attempts to make vegan food that they can have I don't know that it's very good for them. | |
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| Kill your pets on 13:53 - Feb 13 with 1953 views | monytowbray |
| Kill your pets on 13:50 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Dogs are omnivores so can (potentially) survive on a vegan diet. Cats are obligate carnivores and although there have been attempts to make vegan food that they can have I don't know that it's very good for them. |
If I saw the evidence it was fine for a cat to eat vegan I'd switch immediately but I'm not convinced yet. | |
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| Kill your pets on 14:04 - Feb 13 with 1938 views | Herbivore |
| Kill your pets on 13:53 - Feb 13 by monytowbray |
If I saw the evidence it was fine for a cat to eat vegan I'd switch immediately but I'm not convinced yet. |
I've read some worrying stuff otherwise I'd do the same. | |
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| Kill your pets on 14:15 - Feb 13 with 1930 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Kill your pets on 13:50 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Dogs are omnivores so can (potentially) survive on a vegan diet. Cats are obligate carnivores and although there have been attempts to make vegan food that they can have I don't know that it's very good for them. |
Historically dogs are omnivores but if that is sill the case why did my mates dog eat her guinea pig last week?
He whoofed it down in seconds. | |
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| Kill your pets on 14:16 - Feb 13 with 1929 views | Herbivore |
| Kill your pets on 14:15 - Feb 13 by Lord_Lucan |
Historically dogs are omnivores but if that is sill the case why did my mates dog eat her guinea pig last week?
He whoofed it down in seconds. |
They will literally eat anything, hence they are omnivores. | |
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| Kill your pets on 14:18 - Feb 13 with 1927 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Kill your pets on 14:16 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
They will literally eat anything, hence they are omnivores. |
Yes but he didn't make a beeline for the hay. | |
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| Kill your pets on 14:20 - Feb 13 with 1915 views | Herbivore |
| Kill your pets on 14:18 - Feb 13 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes but he didn't make a beeline for the hay. |
He'd had a wheatgrass juice shot for breakfast I expect. | |
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| Kill your pets on 14:34 - Feb 13 with 1898 views | flimflam |
| Kill your pets on 18:21 - Feb 12 by Pecker |
I haven't looked it up, but I will take a wild guess that they are living off the state. |
You would be wrong.
Remember reading about them and they claim child benefit which everyone I know claims but live on husbands 400 quid a week bakers job. |  |
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| Kill your pets on 15:17 - Feb 13 with 1869 views | GeoffSentence |
| Kill your pets on 14:15 - Feb 13 by Lord_Lucan |
Historically dogs are omnivores but if that is sill the case why did my mates dog eat her guinea pig last week?
He whoofed it down in seconds. |
A friend of mine spent over £200 on getting her Guinea Pig's teeth fixed twice. It died two weeks later.
What a waste of hard earned dosh though, Guinea Pig's don't live long and cost peanuts, she would have been better off feeding it to the dog and getting a new one. [Post edited 13 Feb 2020 15:20]
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| Kill your pets on 15:41 - Feb 13 with 1844 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Kill your pets on 13:31 - Feb 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
#5 - not really acceptable to say that....imagine the meltdown on here if one was to replace with muslims for example....
#justSaying |
Apart from those two things being incomparable, I wasn't actually being serious |  |
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| Kill your pets on 15:42 - Feb 13 with 1841 views | footers |
| Kill your pets on 15:41 - Feb 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Apart from those two things being incomparable, I wasn't actually being serious |
The carrot-top outed himself easy enough tho 'eh. |  |
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| Kill your pets on 15:45 - Feb 13 with 1837 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Kill your pets on 15:41 - Feb 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Apart from those two things being incomparable, I wasn't actually being serious |
why are they incomparable? |  | | |
| Kill your pets on 15:52 - Feb 13 with 1828 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Kill your pets on 15:42 - Feb 13 by footers |
The carrot-top outed himself easy enough tho 'eh. |
Hilarious. | | | |
| Kill your pets on 15:54 - Feb 13 with 1824 views | WeWereZombies |
| Kill your pets on 15:42 - Feb 13 by footers |
The carrot-top outed himself easy enough tho 'eh. |
Can't you just leave Ed alone, at least until he has bought out Marcus... |  |
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| Kill your pets on 15:59 - Feb 13 with 1812 views | footers |
| Kill your pets on 15:54 - Feb 13 by WeWereZombies |
Can't you just leave Ed alone, at least until he has bought out Marcus... |
'fraid not. I dislike Ed's music almost as much as I hate the Home Counties. Which is a lot. | |
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| Kill your pets on 16:07 - Feb 13 with 1800 views | Pecker |
| Kill your pets on 13:41 - Feb 13 by GeoffSentence |
You can get vegan dog food, I'd hazard a guess that Callis does so.
But even so, should vegan's have pets? |
Having a pet is preserving the life of that animal, so yes, vegans should have pets. |  | | |
| Kill your pets on 16:10 - Feb 13 with 1794 views | GeoffSentence |
| Kill your pets on 16:07 - Feb 13 by Pecker |
Having a pet is preserving the life of that animal, so yes, vegans should have pets. |
That's the same argument as 'those cows wouldn't be alive if they weren't going to be eaten', more or less. I'm not convinced that pets are compatible with veganism, even if they feed them vegan food.
But hey-ho, pets are great (well dogs anyway), so if they want to stretch the boundaries a bit, that's fine by me. | |
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| Kill your pets on 16:13 - Feb 13 with 1789 views | Pecker |
| Kill your pets on 16:10 - Feb 13 by GeoffSentence |
That's the same argument as 'those cows wouldn't be alive if they weren't going to be eaten', more or less. I'm not convinced that pets are compatible with veganism, even if they feed them vegan food.
But hey-ho, pets are great (well dogs anyway), so if they want to stretch the boundaries a bit, that's fine by me. |
Cows are there to be milked and then eaten. Pets are there to be loved and die naturally (hopefully). Hardly the same at all. | | | |
| Kill your pets on 17:39 - Feb 13 with 1761 views | jeera |
| Kill your pets on 15:17 - Feb 13 by GeoffSentence |
A friend of mine spent over £200 on getting her Guinea Pig's teeth fixed twice. It died two weeks later.
What a waste of hard earned dosh though, Guinea Pig's don't live long and cost peanuts, she would have been better off feeding it to the dog and getting a new one. [Post edited 13 Feb 2020 15:20]
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Shocking attitude GS.
I kept guinea pigs as a child and they can be fantastic creatures.
Mind you, as a big dog fan I struggle a bit with the dog wolfing a guinea pig story.
Hmm. It's the owner's fault. |  |
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