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total deaths still slightly below the numbers killed on UK roads every day
all virus deaths have been of 'elderly' patients in very poor health
This was all explained to you last time you made a thread playing it down.
Please stop playing down something that has the potential to be very bad. Did you ever bother to go and read about r0 and mortality rates?
The mortality rate in the elderly in China was announced as 20% today but the WHO. The very poor health is not correct either. Sweeping statements are helpful.
So your fine as your not in that age bracket or have any health issues! That’s ok then.
'We should do nothing because it's only old people, the very sick, the disabled, the very young and the very vulnerable who'll die' sounds like something straight out of a Tory Party conference speech justifying austerity.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
or should I just chalk it up as you making up stuff yet again ?
'It's alright because more people were killed on the roads yesterday' isn't really a masterwork of compassion is it?
If people are dying of potentially fatal things then we should take measures to prevent them, be it by RTC or global pandemic.
We should take this seriously because every indication is that the mortality rate for Covid-19 is presently significantly higher than that of 'real' flu. Couple that to the fact that it's clearly highly contaigious and has a long incubation period presents a serious public health problem which threatens to have implications for the running of the country as a whole.
A 2-4% mortality rate doesn't sound that scary, but scale it up to say, 10 million people getting infected and that's a lot of grieving families.
For one so proud of presenting their Labour credentials, you sure seem happy to espouse the 'I'm young and fit, I'm alright jack' ethos of the proudest of young Conservatives.
Want to do something to genuinely protect the vulnerable? Wash you bloody hands, stay away from your friends, family and work colleagues if you're unwell and have some bloody empathy.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 20:09]
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
'It's alright because more people were killed on the roads yesterday' isn't really a masterwork of compassion is it?
If people are dying of potentially fatal things then we should take measures to prevent them, be it by RTC or global pandemic.
We should take this seriously because every indication is that the mortality rate for Covid-19 is presently significantly higher than that of 'real' flu. Couple that to the fact that it's clearly highly contaigious and has a long incubation period presents a serious public health problem which threatens to have implications for the running of the country as a whole.
A 2-4% mortality rate doesn't sound that scary, but scale it up to say, 10 million people getting infected and that's a lot of grieving families.
For one so proud of presenting their Labour credentials, you sure seem happy to espouse the 'I'm young and fit, I'm alright jack' ethos of the proudest of young Conservatives.
Want to do something to genuinely protect the vulnerable? Wash you bloody hands, stay away from your friends, family and work colleagues if you're unwell and have some bloody empathy.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 20:09]
In all fairness I think it was a just a bad-taste attempt to put some context and balance on this winter's bug - at best it appears to be very matter-of fact rather than be from a compassion point of view.
As is turns out the sensible routine/drill to prevent unnecessary spreading is very similar to any other virus/bug doing the rounds at any other time. Sad inditement that it needs spelling out to the masses.
'It's alright because more people were killed on the roads yesterday' isn't really a masterwork of compassion is it?
If people are dying of potentially fatal things then we should take measures to prevent them, be it by RTC or global pandemic.
We should take this seriously because every indication is that the mortality rate for Covid-19 is presently significantly higher than that of 'real' flu. Couple that to the fact that it's clearly highly contaigious and has a long incubation period presents a serious public health problem which threatens to have implications for the running of the country as a whole.
A 2-4% mortality rate doesn't sound that scary, but scale it up to say, 10 million people getting infected and that's a lot of grieving families.
For one so proud of presenting their Labour credentials, you sure seem happy to espouse the 'I'm young and fit, I'm alright jack' ethos of the proudest of young Conservatives.
Want to do something to genuinely protect the vulnerable? Wash you bloody hands, stay away from your friends, family and work colleagues if you're unwell and have some bloody empathy.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 20:09]
'It's alright because more people were killed on the roads yesterday' isn't really a masterwork of compassion is it?
And is not a quote from me is it - just you making up stuff as is the rest of your post - given that you have no knowledge of my age, nor my political credentials.
Opposing the hate and bigotry of the Tories does not mean I am a member of the Labour party, support it or have voted for it. In fact I amnot nor have down the other two.
However in a probably futile attempt to stop you making up any more about me let me put it up again. Perhaps in words that even you might be able to grasp.
People die. Those who have died of this virus were vunerable healthwise. Many more in that situation die of flu but are not recorded as such. My other half is a nurse.
We can only deal with what happens. If roads deaths and life changing traffic accidents were treated with the same hysteria then there would be a break down in society as few would be travelling.
This hysteria is in part fed by the silly posts of the OP whereby this matter is regarded like a score in a sports game where the tally is to be commented upon. My point being that what is needed is a bit more rational thought and behaviour instead,
And for the record the other half states that the hand washing bit has been vastly over played so as to encourage folk to think they are 'doing something'.
Though in your case it appears more about hand wringing.
In all fairness I think it was a just a bad-taste attempt to put some context and balance on this winter's bug - at best it appears to be very matter-of fact rather than be from a compassion point of view.
As is turns out the sensible routine/drill to prevent unnecessary spreading is very similar to any other virus/bug doing the rounds at any other time. Sad inditement that it needs spelling out to the masses.
It's not the first thread he's done it in and he even started one doing the same thing so not sure about your first paragraph.
'It's alright because more people were killed on the roads yesterday' isn't really a masterwork of compassion is it?
And is not a quote from me is it - just you making up stuff as is the rest of your post - given that you have no knowledge of my age, nor my political credentials.
Opposing the hate and bigotry of the Tories does not mean I am a member of the Labour party, support it or have voted for it. In fact I amnot nor have down the other two.
However in a probably futile attempt to stop you making up any more about me let me put it up again. Perhaps in words that even you might be able to grasp.
People die. Those who have died of this virus were vunerable healthwise. Many more in that situation die of flu but are not recorded as such. My other half is a nurse.
We can only deal with what happens. If roads deaths and life changing traffic accidents were treated with the same hysteria then there would be a break down in society as few would be travelling.
This hysteria is in part fed by the silly posts of the OP whereby this matter is regarded like a score in a sports game where the tally is to be commented upon. My point being that what is needed is a bit more rational thought and behaviour instead,
And for the record the other half states that the hand washing bit has been vastly over played so as to encourage folk to think they are 'doing something'.
Though in your case it appears more about hand wringing.
Spare me the 'my partner is a nurse, so it's alright to dismiss the deaths of these people'. I'M a registered nurse too(20 years qualified this year, 12 years intensive care experience, 6 years Weird Specialist Things, a year's agency work and currently working in critical care outreach, if you're interested) and the who whole 'ahh well they would have died anyway' thing(your actual quote 'total deaths still slightly below the numbers killed on UK roads every day. All virus deaths have been of 'elderly' patients in very poor health') is a bit of a d1ckish thing to be saying.
'We can only deal with what happens' - no, we can take active steps to minimise risk and fatalities. Just because people will die doens't mean we should do nothing. People die of flu, so we offer vaccines and advise regarding infection prevention, this is no different.
'what is needed is a bit more rational thought and behaviour instead' - that doesn't give anyone a licence to suspend their compassion.
'It's alright because more people were killed on the roads yesterday' isn't really a masterwork of compassion is it?
And is not a quote from me is it - just you making up stuff as is the rest of your post - given that you have no knowledge of my age, nor my political credentials.
Opposing the hate and bigotry of the Tories does not mean I am a member of the Labour party, support it or have voted for it. In fact I amnot nor have down the other two.
However in a probably futile attempt to stop you making up any more about me let me put it up again. Perhaps in words that even you might be able to grasp.
People die. Those who have died of this virus were vunerable healthwise. Many more in that situation die of flu but are not recorded as such. My other half is a nurse.
We can only deal with what happens. If roads deaths and life changing traffic accidents were treated with the same hysteria then there would be a break down in society as few would be travelling.
This hysteria is in part fed by the silly posts of the OP whereby this matter is regarded like a score in a sports game where the tally is to be commented upon. My point being that what is needed is a bit more rational thought and behaviour instead,
And for the record the other half states that the hand washing bit has been vastly over played so as to encourage folk to think they are 'doing something'.
Though in your case it appears more about hand wringing.
Get used to it....it isn't what you say it is what people think you are saying that is currently de rigueur with the fact check, rational, objective reality brigade. Your post though factually correct somehow offends the fake news gang...it's a bit odd.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Get used to it....it isn't what you say it is what people think you are saying that is currently de rigueur with the fact check, rational, objective reality brigade. Your post though factually correct somehow offends the fake news gang...it's a bit odd.
And you can p1ss off as well with your desperate 'it's all a hoax by the Illuminati' attempts at looking edgy.
But hey, you've got your reaction here, so you can knock it on the head now.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 20:45]
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
'It's alright because more people were killed on the roads yesterday' isn't really a masterwork of compassion is it?
And is not a quote from me is it - just you making up stuff as is the rest of your post - given that you have no knowledge of my age, nor my political credentials.
Opposing the hate and bigotry of the Tories does not mean I am a member of the Labour party, support it or have voted for it. In fact I amnot nor have down the other two.
However in a probably futile attempt to stop you making up any more about me let me put it up again. Perhaps in words that even you might be able to grasp.
People die. Those who have died of this virus were vunerable healthwise. Many more in that situation die of flu but are not recorded as such. My other half is a nurse.
We can only deal with what happens. If roads deaths and life changing traffic accidents were treated with the same hysteria then there would be a break down in society as few would be travelling.
This hysteria is in part fed by the silly posts of the OP whereby this matter is regarded like a score in a sports game where the tally is to be commented upon. My point being that what is needed is a bit more rational thought and behaviour instead,
And for the record the other half states that the hand washing bit has been vastly over played so as to encourage folk to think they are 'doing something'.
Though in your case it appears more about hand wringing.
Soap (and alcohol based products) work by dissolving the fatty membrane that holds a virus together. Once that is gone the integrity of the virus is compromised and it falls apart and is unable to function. That is why washing correctly and for a decent amount of time is important.
Frankly I am worried that a professional such as your partner is giving out such scientifically unsound and frankly rubbish advice.
If you actually want to understand the molecular and nanoscale science of what is happening this is a good description in laymens terms:
Spare me the 'my partner is a nurse, so it's alright to dismiss the deaths of these people'. I'M a registered nurse too(20 years qualified this year, 12 years intensive care experience, 6 years Weird Specialist Things, a year's agency work and currently working in critical care outreach, if you're interested) and the who whole 'ahh well they would have died anyway' thing(your actual quote 'total deaths still slightly below the numbers killed on UK roads every day. All virus deaths have been of 'elderly' patients in very poor health') is a bit of a d1ckish thing to be saying.
'We can only deal with what happens' - no, we can take active steps to minimise risk and fatalities. Just because people will die doens't mean we should do nothing. People die of flu, so we offer vaccines and advise regarding infection prevention, this is no different.
'what is needed is a bit more rational thought and behaviour instead' - that doesn't give anyone a licence to suspend their compassion.
Yes, Sitters does sound a bit like a flappy fanny, but your attempt at being too-cool-for-school is just as tragic.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 20:43]
It gets worse. Badger is now in full Jeffrey Archer mode.
I am not dismissing anyone's death though I am happy to point out the hypocrisy of you and others whining about deaths that would have gone totally unoticed previously. And as pointed out the deaths were of those susceptical to any virus be it this hysterical one or a one that passes most folk by.
Of course we can work to reduce risk. You spout this as if it were some previously unknown wisdom. What is previous, is that we have to now reinforce this message. Check how much faceal matter is found on bar peanuts or ice.
So stop with the holier than though guff. Stop lying about 'doing nothing' as no one is saying that and maybe get a grip. The average Joe will over react, think nothing of stock piling goods and abusing ' oriental looking folk. Shades of dachshunds being attacked in WW1.
And if I choose to point out that hysteria or even mock it then so be it. As with Brass Eye's take on the media's reaction to paedophilia there will always be your sort who will seek to twist what is said so as to have a pulpit to preach from.
You've just been very silly for the last few days IMO.
I like him as well, and more often than not tend to be on the same side as Harry's morals.
But I can barely make head nor tail of their stances on this subject.
It's all a bit weird.
You get the odd cryptic clue from Bankster which in isolation makes little sense and then pages of stuff from Harry which is really hard work.
Harry, you can't write zillions of words and then complain you're misunderstood mate.
Maybe a few bullet points would be a better starting point.
As it has read so far Badger was well within his rights to submit his post and certainly didn't appear holier than thou or anyone else for that matter. He simply stated facts.
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