| Incredible story 21:12 - Mar 16 with 4588 views | itfcjoe |
The UK only realised "in the last few days" that attempts to "mitigate" the coronavirus pandemic would not work, and that it needed to shift to a strategy to "suppress", according to a report by a team of experts who have been advising the government
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| Incredible story on 00:09 - Mar 17 with 1555 views | monytowbray |
| Incredible story on 00:03 - Mar 17 by pointofblue |
Other nations have proven something in the short term which may not work in the long. Will those countries manage to cope with a second wave? Will we? 18 months before a vaccine can be mass produced... |
We can’t cope with a first wave. That’s proven. Our options are buy time or send the country down the sh1tter with a completely guessed up first guess that gets so out of control we won’t even dread to think about the second wave.
Today they actually did something drastically closer to the right thing. With all evidence and scientific review of THE ENTIRE WORLD considered correctly. Today we saved lives. Be happy.
Johnson is not the messiah and his party are not automatically correct on everything. |  |
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| Incredible story on 00:14 - Mar 17 with 1543 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Incredible story on 21:45 - Mar 16 by Guthrum |
I didn't say caught out. More they thought they could strike a slightly easier balance (for a while at least) between disease control and the economy, but time ran out and they had to switch (phase change rather than radical reversal). Perhaps things kicked off in earnest a bit sooner than our experts hoped. After all, nobody really knows exactly where the UK is on the Covid-19 timeline and parts of the country are in different places anyway. |
It looks like you're being far too generous. FT reporting that the first analysis significantly underestimated impact as it was based on viral pneumonia. Quite incredible when there would have been relevant data availbale for them to use.
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| Incredible story on 00:18 - Mar 17 with 1532 views | pointofblue |
| Incredible story on 00:09 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
We can’t cope with a first wave. That’s proven. Our options are buy time or send the country down the sh1tter with a completely guessed up first guess that gets so out of control we won’t even dread to think about the second wave.
Today they actually did something drastically closer to the right thing. With all evidence and scientific review of THE ENTIRE WORLD considered correctly. Today we saved lives. Be happy.
Johnson is not the messiah and his party are not automatically correct on everything. |
Who said they were? The final line is the cheap political point-scoring which should be avoided.
There was logic behind the scientific experts approach. They were trying to control the disease to allow immunity to lessen the second wave whilst protecting those at risk. If it had worked then we would have been ahead of the game and more prepared than any other nation. Should we have taken that risk? Now they’ve decided to beat a retreat it’s easy to say no. The only hope is they haven’t left it too late. |  |
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| Incredible story on 00:54 - Mar 17 with 1490 views | monytowbray |
| Incredible story on 00:18 - Mar 17 by pointofblue |
Who said they were? The final line is the cheap political point-scoring which should be avoided.
There was logic behind the scientific experts approach. They were trying to control the disease to allow immunity to lessen the second wave whilst protecting those at risk. If it had worked then we would have been ahead of the game and more prepared than any other nation. Should we have taken that risk? Now they’ve decided to beat a retreat it’s easy to say no. The only hope is they haven’t left it too late. |
Are you saying if we didn’t retreat we’d be fine?
F*cking hell. | |
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| Incredible story on 00:57 - Mar 17 with 1481 views | monytowbray |
| Incredible story on 00:14 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
It looks like you're being far too generous. FT reporting that the first analysis significantly underestimated impact as it was based on viral pneumonia. Quite incredible when there would have been relevant data availbale for them to use.
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If this is true, in complete context of what it looks like, we need a vote of no confidence and need to get them out now.
This is madness. | |
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| Incredible story on 00:58 - Mar 17 with 1476 views | pointofblue |
| Incredible story on 00:54 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
Are you saying if we didn’t retreat we’d be fine?
F*cking hell. |
No - where did I say that? | |
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| Incredible story on 01:06 - Mar 17 with 1458 views | monytowbray |
| Incredible story on 00:58 - Mar 17 by pointofblue |
No - where did I say that? |
“ Should we have taken that risk? Now they’ve decided to beat a retreat it’s easy to say no.”
Unless you meant something else? | |
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| Incredible story on 01:59 - Mar 17 with 1437 views | Guthrum |
| Incredible story on 00:14 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
It looks like you're being far too generous. FT reporting that the first analysis significantly underestimated impact as it was based on viral pneumonia. Quite incredible when there would have been relevant data availbale for them to use.
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It's the pneumonia aspect of C-19 which puts people in intensive care. But, on the other hand, reports of how bad it was have been around for some time. |  |
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| Incredible story on 07:49 - Mar 17 with 1365 views | No9 |
| Incredible story on 21:16 - Mar 16 by sparks |
One scientist disagrees with another. Thats basically the story. |
Well, maybe not. It is more likely they had a call from the WHO ? | | | |
| Incredible story on 08:01 - Mar 17 with 1359 views | TractorWood |
They have escalated their actions to suppression but as everyone is saying there is no exit strategy bar a vaccine, which will be 12 months plus. This will basically guarantee a global recession. The alternative being let it rip through society at the cost of potentially hundreds of thousands of lives.
Both are horrendous and I couldn't fathom having to make these decisions in Government. |  |
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| Incredible story on 08:05 - Mar 17 with 1345 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Incredible story on 08:01 - Mar 17 by TractorWood |
They have escalated their actions to suppression but as everyone is saying there is no exit strategy bar a vaccine, which will be 12 months plus. This will basically guarantee a global recession. The alternative being let it rip through society at the cost of potentially hundreds of thousands of lives.
Both are horrendous and I couldn't fathom having to make these decisions in Government. |
It's the first one. |  |
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| Incredible story on 08:15 - Mar 17 with 1319 views | monytowbray |
Why isn’t Joe being told off for posting with political angle? | |
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| Incredible story on 08:18 - Mar 17 with 1316 views | TractorWood |
Absolutely.
I always look at this website https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ Germany has 7,188 cases of which 2 are critical. Italy is many magnitudes worse. Making these decisions is really hard because the data globally is a shambles.
I suspect Italy actually has 100,000s of cases. Maybe millions.
Equally, when the restrictions are lifted, we need to have guaranteed that it's actually under control, with a strategy for it not becoming a pandemic again. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 8:34]
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| Incredible story on 08:25 - Mar 17 with 1300 views | DanTheMan |
| Incredible story on 08:18 - Mar 17 by TractorWood |
Absolutely.
I always look at this website https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ Germany has 7,188 cases of which 2 are critical. Italy is many magnitudes worse. Making these decisions is really hard because the data globally is a shambles.
I suspect Italy actually has 100,000s of cases. Maybe millions.
Equally, when the restrictions are lifted, we need to have guaranteed that it's actually under control, with a strategy for it not becoming a pandemic again. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 8:34]
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They made a good point yesterday that the real test they need is one for people who have already had it, so they can get some true numbers. They're reserving what tests they do have for hospitalisation but they don't get the data they need from that. |  |
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| Incredible story on 18:28 - Mar 17 with 1254 views | pointofblue |
| Incredible story on 01:06 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
“ Should we have taken that risk? Now they’ve decided to beat a retreat it’s easy to say no.”
Unless you meant something else? |
No, what I meant is in hindsight it seems obvious we should have shut down the country and been far firmer earlier. At the time, logic seemed to suggested easing the virus through the fittest of the community and keeping the economy moving wasn’t the worst approach to take. | |
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| Incredible story on 18:49 - Mar 17 with 1242 views | WicklowBlue |
| Incredible story on 18:28 - Mar 17 by pointofblue |
No, what I meant is in hindsight it seems obvious we should have shut down the country and been far firmer earlier. At the time, logic seemed to suggested easing the virus through the fittest of the community and keeping the economy moving wasn’t the worst approach to take. |
But the UK was the only country applying such logic! So now you need to play catch up to contain the spread. Placing further stress on your medical services. |  | | |
| Incredible story on 22:29 - Mar 17 with 1172 views | sparks |
| Incredible story on 18:49 - Mar 17 by WicklowBlue |
But the UK was the only country applying such logic! So now you need to play catch up to contain the spread. Placing further stress on your medical services. |
It wasnt.
Would you suggest the government ignore sneior scientific advisers?
What is of note- of course- is those advisers have developed and changed their advice as evidence develops. Politicians would have doubled down. |  |
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| Incredible story on 22:46 - Mar 17 with 1153 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Incredible story on 18:49 - Mar 17 by WicklowBlue |
But the UK was the only country applying such logic! So now you need to play catch up to contain the spread. Placing further stress on your medical services. |
I'm not sure where all this is coming from, I just looked through my whatsapp feed and 5 days ago my mate in Pontadera could still go out for a coffee in the cafe - albeit with restricted hours. |  |
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| Incredible story on 22:48 - Mar 17 with 1150 views | Bugs |
| Incredible story on 22:29 - Mar 17 by sparks |
It wasnt.
Would you suggest the government ignore sneior scientific advisers?
What is of note- of course- is those advisers have developed and changed their advice as evidence develops. Politicians would have doubled down. |
From what I understand they didn't provide the evidence for their original stance which went against the advise of of the WHO and others, who has experience of these things (although admittedly not at this scale).
If your policy on something like this is an outlier you sure as hell should publish your workings out to the scientific community for peer review. They didn't do this, which ironically is anti-science.
I would always want a government to listen experts, but when they are recommending going against WHO advise, the evidence needs to be compelling to say the least. Even I could see it didn't seem right and I'm thick as sh!t. |  | | |
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