| Our EU friends 13:16 - Apr 10 with 6634 views | BlueNomad |
The German Army are bringing us ventilators. Is the irony of this lost on the little-England, bigoted, “two world wars and one World Cup, let’s get Brexit done, Brussels dictatorship” crowd?
Ok - rhetorical question. Thank you Germany and EU for your continued friendship despite the ill-will expressed by people allegedly acting in my name. |  | | |  |
| Our EU friends on 21:33 - Apr 11 with 763 views | jeera |
| Our EU friends on 21:31 - Apr 11 by BloomBlue |
So every lorry driver bringing in supplies from the EU would have to self isolate for 15 days? |
No silly.
Dip him in a tank of chlorine. |  |
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| Our EU friends on 21:35 - Apr 11 with 762 views | jeera |
| Our EU friends on 21:29 - Apr 11 by Lord_Lucan |
You cannot compare New Zealand to UK, it is spread out and the whole country has half the population of London |
See also Sweden. | |
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| Our EU friends on 21:45 - Apr 11 with 749 views | BloomBlue |
| Our EU friends on 21:33 - Apr 11 by jeera |
No silly.
Dip him in a tank of chlorine. |
Now you're confusing me you were praising NZ for forcing everyone entering the Country to self isolate for 15 days and complaining the UK were doing nothing for people entering the UK from CV hotspots. The EU is a CV hotspot so if we copy NZ then that means forcing lorry driver delivering stuff from the EU to self isolate. |  | | |
| Our EU friends on 21:58 - Apr 11 with 743 views | monytowbray |
| Our EU friends on 21:22 - Apr 11 by Darth_Koont |
But the strategy will be a bit of letting the virus spread and a bit of lockdown (targeted and local) to protect risk groups and healthcare resources.
The long-term approach is only just emerging but it won't be lockdown in the same way as it won't be herd immunity. Neither on their own get us to the end of the year in the shape we need to be in in. [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 21:23]
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At the end of the day though, to get around this it looks most likely...
Initial lock down to curve violent spread and overwhelm health care.
Limited social interaction for the foreseeable until there’s a vaccine or if magically dies out).
When we get there a herd immunity approach can go full speed whilst gradually unlocking the world and going again.
In the interim...
Get the curve under control and get some industries working again.
Social distancing to be a norm, non-essential travel will still be discouraged. Shops will still limit customers and you can forget about holidays and social events this year.
Mass testing and lockdowns/travel blocks by region when there is a flare up.
This would mean building some level of herd immunity as we go. And that’s what annoys me about the defence of our initial approach. Will herd immunity be needed to some level? Yes, 100%. Was our approach therefore justified and smart? Can’t see it myself. We had f*ck all (if any) of the above considered, it was just one way of doing the bare minimal and keeping business going. And that’s before you factor in the oversight of the NHS and modelling on the wrong illness. [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 22:15]
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| Our EU friends on 22:00 - Apr 11 with 741 views | BlueNomad |
| Our EU friends on 18:56 - Apr 11 by flimflam |
Less ill-informed than the original post |
Made the OP yesterday morning based on the first report which made no mention of NATO. So I made a mistake. The sentiment is the same - after all the nationalistic jingoism of the past few years it is ironic that we have been desperate for equipment from countries who we apparently didn’t need in order to be a success. [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 22:01]
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| Our EU friends on 22:02 - Apr 11 with 737 views | jeera |
| Our EU friends on 21:45 - Apr 11 by BloomBlue |
Now you're confusing me you were praising NZ for forcing everyone entering the Country to self isolate for 15 days and complaining the UK were doing nothing for people entering the UK from CV hotspots. The EU is a CV hotspot so if we copy NZ then that means forcing lorry driver delivering stuff from the EU to self isolate. |
Was I?
Where's that then? | |
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| Our EU friends on 22:13 - Apr 11 with 724 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Our EU friends on 21:29 - Apr 11 by Lord_Lucan |
You cannot compare New Zealand to UK, it is spread out and the whole country has half the population of London |
Ah, so our figures should pale into insignificance compared to really highly populated countries like China and the US.
There is a link to the approaches taken on "herd immunity" and lockdowns and mixed messages given about what they mean.
I actually think this Government hasn't done too bad a job from once they decided to lock down. The big mistakes were made early and are still being paid for. I also hope the way they treated the NHS before and how they treat them after will be kept prominent in people's minds. |  |
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| Our EU friends on 22:18 - Apr 11 with 721 views | Bugs |
| Our EU friends on 21:45 - Apr 11 by BloomBlue |
Now you're confusing me you were praising NZ for forcing everyone entering the Country to self isolate for 15 days and complaining the UK were doing nothing for people entering the UK from CV hotspots. The EU is a CV hotspot so if we copy NZ then that means forcing lorry driver delivering stuff from the EU to self isolate. |
Don't be daft. The thing about lorries is that they can be unloaded or unhitched fairly easily. There are many way's to mitigate the risks.It would take intelligence, planning and imagination. Unfortunately, pretty much like our government, I have little of those attributes myself. |  | | |
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| Our EU friends on 07:24 - Apr 12 with 682 views | Ely_Blue |
| Our EU friends on 12:12 - Apr 11 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't know if that's the cse or not, but there are sadly NHS staff who have died who's family/colleagues believe wouldn't have had they had the correct PPE.
There needs to be a proper review when this is all over into the many areas that are causing a few eyebrows to be raised, to put it mildly. |
Of course people’s families are going to say “with more PPE my family member wouldn’t have died” there are always those who want someone or something to blame.
It has been discussed numerous times on here in recent days about PPE from what I have seen and I don’t genuinely believe that people in the nhs are dying because of a lack of PPE caused by government negligence so why the need for an enquiry or review? |  |
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| Our EU friends on 07:38 - Apr 12 with 669 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Our EU friends on 23:53 - Apr 11 by jaykay |
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yes. That’s precisely what you do.
Unfortunately it’s something you are incapable stopping, so another spell on the div list for you. |  |
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| Our EU friends on 08:25 - Apr 12 with 660 views | flimflam |
We may not require them if new research suggesting ventilators are not overly effective helping covid-19 victims and that how oxygen is administered is possibly the way forward.
Just repeating what I heard an expert quoting on the roger melly. [Post edited 12 Apr 2020 8:26]
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| Our EU friends on 10:27 - Apr 12 with 632 views | jimmyvet |
| Our EU friends on 21:58 - Apr 11 by monytowbray |
At the end of the day though, to get around this it looks most likely...
Initial lock down to curve violent spread and overwhelm health care.
Limited social interaction for the foreseeable until there’s a vaccine or if magically dies out).
When we get there a herd immunity approach can go full speed whilst gradually unlocking the world and going again.
In the interim...
Get the curve under control and get some industries working again.
Social distancing to be a norm, non-essential travel will still be discouraged. Shops will still limit customers and you can forget about holidays and social events this year.
Mass testing and lockdowns/travel blocks by region when there is a flare up.
This would mean building some level of herd immunity as we go. And that’s what annoys me about the defence of our initial approach. Will herd immunity be needed to some level? Yes, 100%. Was our approach therefore justified and smart? Can’t see it myself. We had f*ck all (if any) of the above considered, it was just one way of doing the bare minimal and keeping business going. And that’s before you factor in the oversight of the NHS and modelling on the wrong illness. [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 22:15]
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Do you actually read what you write? You do realise your not a professor in viral infections your some bloke who reads a few bits on the internet then try telling this forum you know more than some of the greatest scientific brains in the world. Unbelievable. |  | | |
| Our EU friends on 10:54 - Apr 12 with 606 views | monytowbray |
| Our EU friends on 10:27 - Apr 12 by jimmyvet |
Do you actually read what you write? You do realise your not a professor in viral infections your some bloke who reads a few bits on the internet then try telling this forum you know more than some of the greatest scientific brains in the world. Unbelievable. |
You clearly don’t understand how reading facts to form an opinion works, do you?
It’s okay, I’d already assumed you’re a bit dim. | |
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| Our EU friends on 10:56 - Apr 12 with 604 views | midastouch |
| Our EU friends on 10:27 - Apr 12 by jimmyvet |
Do you actually read what you write? You do realise your not a professor in viral infections your some bloke who reads a few bits on the internet then try telling this forum you know more than some of the greatest scientific brains in the world. Unbelievable. |
Just a polite note that "your" in the way you've written it should actually be "you're". Just politely pointing that out given you were so quick to pull up Callis for apparently not reading what he writes. Please feel free to edit it if you wish.
You seem very quick to judge others on Easter Sunday of all days. How about a bit of love and forgiveness on this day? You called me a pathetic person on another thread already today. Did you perhaps get out of bed the wrong side this morning? |  |
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| Our EU friends on 10:56 - Apr 12 with 603 views | Ely_Blue |
| Our EU friends on 10:54 - Apr 12 by monytowbray |
You clearly don’t understand how reading facts to form an opinion works, do you?
It’s okay, I’d already assumed you’re a bit dim. |
The problem is callis you’ve formed you leftie loonie anti Tory opinion on everything before you post them and not opinions based on what you read | |
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| Our EU friends on 11:00 - Apr 12 with 578 views | monytowbray |
| Our EU friends on 10:56 - Apr 12 by midastouch |
Just a polite note that "your" in the way you've written it should actually be "you're". Just politely pointing that out given you were so quick to pull up Callis for apparently not reading what he writes. Please feel free to edit it if you wish.
You seem very quick to judge others on Easter Sunday of all days. How about a bit of love and forgiveness on this day? You called me a pathetic person on another thread already today. Did you perhaps get out of bed the wrong side this morning? |
Don’t be bothered, the Boris Is Doing A Great Jobâ„¢ï¸ lot are trying to find a saving grace to justify what they’ve voted for. Let them be and they make wake from their nightmare soon. | |
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| Our EU friends on 11:13 - Apr 12 with 560 views | midastouch |
| Our EU friends on 11:00 - Apr 12 by monytowbray |
Don’t be bothered, the Boris Is Doing A Great Jobâ„¢ï¸ lot are trying to find a saving grace to justify what they’ve voted for. Let them be and they make wake from their nightmare soon. |
I'll come clean, I voted for Brexit so I'm not very popular round these parts. I didn't vote in the general election though, couldn't bring myself to vote for any of them, frankly none of them seemed fit for purpose! If we had proportional representation (if only!) I would of probably voted for the Greens last time out. But this first past the post stitch up makes keeping the faith in democracy that much harder! When trying to decide if to lend your vote to either the likes of HanCOCK or Abbott, it's enough to make you think, "what's the bl**dy point!" I'm not very excited about Starmer (as I've already said in another post), I'm also not impressed at all with the Tory handling of the coronavirus crisis, so right now I'm politically lost at sea. | |
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