| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... 08:23 - Apr 15 with 3876 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
our government have been sh1t in the build up to this!
Care home provider saying she was a fool for listening to government advice not to stockpile PPE in Feb because now her residents and staff are dying. |  |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:57 - Apr 15 with 930 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:49 - Apr 15 by giant_stow |
I remember the report about the import company that offered the govt loads of ventilators, but their call was never returned and the machines went elsewhere.
Also the report about one of the small uk producers not being contacted (that one was on the telly).
You're getting a neadlessly rough ride here - no doubt big mistakes were made. [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 13:50]
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What importer and what ventilators - out of interest. |  |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:59 - Apr 15 with 928 views | monytowbray |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:57 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
What importer and what ventilators - out of interest. |
You don't read anything I post, take issue with me on a personal level instead, I pass go and collect £200.
I've shared links on these issues before. |  |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:02 - Apr 15 with 923 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:59 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
You don't read anything I post, take issue with me on a personal level instead, I pass go and collect £200.
I've shared links on these issues before. |
I don't spend my life reading your posts Callis, I apologise.
Post it again. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:04 - Apr 15 with 913 views | itfcjoe |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:54 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
I've been posting this stuff live as it was unfolding and was told to shut up and called several names because I was political point scoring apparently.
My "narrative" has remained the same throughout, and I've even said some things the government have done have been better (like finally going into lockdown and supporting employees even if the latter is still full of holes).
There's a lot of stuff going on in the UK where the writing was on the wall for weeks and we've done too little, too late, with countless fumbles and lies along the way.
The fact we may likely hit Italy and Spain levels of death tolls when other countries have mitigated damage says a lot. I'd be surprised if there is any freak reason for that. What needs to happen after this is an independent investigation and those responsible are held accountable. |
It is totally unacceptable if we hit Italian death levels, and it will happen.
People can make excuses but we had weeks more information than the Italians did when it hit them, weeks to prepare more and were too slow.
Italy getting caught how it did is a tragedy, but they clearly didn't know what they were dealing with at the start and made mistakes - that we didn't learn from them is so wrong.
I can understand not wanting to crash the economy, but we've ended up with the worst of both worlds - lots of deaths and crashing the economy |  |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:06 - Apr 15 with 908 views | monytowbray |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:02 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
I don't spend my life reading your posts Callis, I apologise.
Post it again. |
You've replied enough times though.
I'll dig them out later as I have to get back to work post lunch break. I'm sure you can find them with some Googling though. I posted one link above of a manufacturer who offered 500 then and there but was not responded to.
I imagine with the budget going to Dyson and co some of that money could have went towards upping manufacturing to smaller companies who already have approved and used ventilator designs. Instead we're sat around weeks later waiting for the green light for the big boys to go ahead: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/ventilators-from-dyson-yet-to-recei
The whole dealing of this crisis from top to bottom has been a disgrace. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:06 - Apr 15 with 906 views | peterleeblue |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:54 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
I've been posting this stuff live as it was unfolding and was told to shut up and called several names because I was political point scoring apparently.
My "narrative" has remained the same throughout, and I've even said some things the government have done have been better (like finally going into lockdown and supporting employees even if the latter is still full of holes).
There's a lot of stuff going on in the UK where the writing was on the wall for weeks and we've done too little, too late, with countless fumbles and lies along the way.
The fact we may likely hit Italy and Spain levels of death tolls when other countries have mitigated damage says a lot. I'd be surprised if there is any freak reason for that. What needs to happen after this is an independent investigation and those responsible are held accountable. |
Always someone to blame?
Isn't this a just an unprecedented global pandemic the likes of which have never been seen by most people alive.
Do we always have to have a head on a stick? |  | | |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:10 - Apr 15 with 896 views | monytowbray |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:06 - Apr 15 by peterleeblue |
Always someone to blame?
Isn't this a just an unprecedented global pandemic the likes of which have never been seen by most people alive.
Do we always have to have a head on a stick? |
There’s stuff out of our control and then there is utter incompetence. A lot of the last few weeks have been the latter. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:17 - Apr 15 with 884 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:06 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
You've replied enough times though.
I'll dig them out later as I have to get back to work post lunch break. I'm sure you can find them with some Googling though. I posted one link above of a manufacturer who offered 500 then and there but was not responded to.
I imagine with the budget going to Dyson and co some of that money could have went towards upping manufacturing to smaller companies who already have approved and used ventilator designs. Instead we're sat around weeks later waiting for the green light for the big boys to go ahead: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/ventilators-from-dyson-yet-to-recei
The whole dealing of this crisis from top to bottom has been a disgrace. |
Looks to me as if there is a specification issue, no more no less.
With the money the government have shelled out already I doubt they would skimp on some ventilators if they were in need of them. I would think they would buy some for the PR alone.
On a side note has it not been suggested that ventilators may not be as useful as once thought with Covid? Someone with more knowledge than you and I may be able to answer this.
"The whole dealing of this crisis from top to bottom has been a disgrace".
This is your opinion. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:27 - Apr 15 with 850 views | portmanking |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:04 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
It is totally unacceptable if we hit Italian death levels, and it will happen.
People can make excuses but we had weeks more information than the Italians did when it hit them, weeks to prepare more and were too slow.
Italy getting caught how it did is a tragedy, but they clearly didn't know what they were dealing with at the start and made mistakes - that we didn't learn from them is so wrong.
I can understand not wanting to crash the economy, but we've ended up with the worst of both worlds - lots of deaths and crashing the economy |
Why would weeks more information have helped? Since Feb, procurement has been a nightmare, as Lord Lucan has already alluded to. |  | | |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:35 - Apr 15 with 840 views | itfcjoe |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:27 - Apr 15 by portmanking |
Why would weeks more information have helped? Since Feb, procurement has been a nightmare, as Lord Lucan has already alluded to. |
Firstly, procurement is even more of a nightmare if you aren't trying to do it - we were still effectively on a herd immunity strategy when plenty of other countries were gearing up to follow WHO advice of test,test test.
Secondly, with regards to the timing of the lockdown - going ahead with Cheltenham, going ahead with letting Madrid fans come to Liverpool were utter madness. Plus the mixed messaging of Boris saying how we will fight this head on, been shaking hands etc.
Some stuff has been done well, the capacity of ITU especially and the Nightingale hospital - but there are other ares where major errors have occured and we had the warning, we knew where this was going, we knew a lockdown was coming | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:39 - Apr 15 with 836 views | Lord_Lucan |
This is the problem Ulla. Normally for a budgie you are an ok guy but you are falling into the believe what you read trap. This sort of thing will be read and shared by thousands. It has taken me a few minutes to debunk this bloke as a chancer. His company is worth feck all and the director (as in the report) has a history of failed or closed businesses.
Some of the loons on here are transparent but I thought better of you.
I'm loving some of his retired directorships.
Out of the following what is everyones favourite? I like The Composite Stable Door Company Ltd
Company & Function Status
Direct Access Consultancy Limited
05185023 (Active)
Director, Director
20 Jul 2004 - Present (15 years, 8 months, 26 days)
Open
DVD In Your Car Limited
04725216 (Dissolved)
Director, Managing Director
07 Apr 2003 - 25 Jul 2006 (Close)
Closed
Aspire Occupational Health Limited
06596601 (Dissolved)
Director, Director
21 Dec 2011 - 05 Feb 2013 (Close)
Closed
The Composite Stable Door Company Ltd
07433302 (Dissolved)
Director, Company Director
09 Nov 2010 - 01 Apr 2012 (1 year, 4 months, 22 days)
Retired
Curite Cassettes and Imports Ltd
07096722 (Dissolved)
Director
05 Dec 2009 - 01 Feb 2011 (1 year, 1 month, 27 days)
Retired
Gentoo Associates Limited
06248996 (Dissolved)
Director, Director
16 May 2007 - 01 Nov 2008 (1 year, 5 months, 16 days)
5000 ventilators MY ARSE! [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 14:42]
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:39 - Apr 15 with 833 views | gordon |
Just announced the 'rolling out' of testing to care homes.
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:40 - Apr 15 with 831 views | portmanking |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:35 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
Firstly, procurement is even more of a nightmare if you aren't trying to do it - we were still effectively on a herd immunity strategy when plenty of other countries were gearing up to follow WHO advice of test,test test.
Secondly, with regards to the timing of the lockdown - going ahead with Cheltenham, going ahead with letting Madrid fans come to Liverpool were utter madness. Plus the mixed messaging of Boris saying how we will fight this head on, been shaking hands etc.
Some stuff has been done well, the capacity of ITU especially and the Nightingale hospital - but there are other ares where major errors have occured and we had the warning, we knew where this was going, we knew a lockdown was coming |
The only way this would have been remotely better in terms of UK death toll was if the lockdown was enforced at the same time as Italy and Spain, surely?
The government is doing its best to help as many people to recover from this, both physically and economically. In some people's eyes, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. | | | |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:44 - Apr 15 with 823 views | giant_stow |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:39 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
This is the problem Ulla. Normally for a budgie you are an ok guy but you are falling into the believe what you read trap. This sort of thing will be read and shared by thousands. It has taken me a few minutes to debunk this bloke as a chancer. His company is worth feck all and the director (as in the report) has a history of failed or closed businesses.
Some of the loons on here are transparent but I thought better of you.
I'm loving some of his retired directorships.
Out of the following what is everyones favourite? I like The Composite Stable Door Company Ltd
Company & Function Status
Direct Access Consultancy Limited
05185023 (Active)
Director, Director
20 Jul 2004 - Present (15 years, 8 months, 26 days)
Open
DVD In Your Car Limited
04725216 (Dissolved)
Director, Managing Director
07 Apr 2003 - 25 Jul 2006 (Close)
Closed
Aspire Occupational Health Limited
06596601 (Dissolved)
Director, Director
21 Dec 2011 - 05 Feb 2013 (Close)
Closed
The Composite Stable Door Company Ltd
07433302 (Dissolved)
Director, Company Director
09 Nov 2010 - 01 Apr 2012 (1 year, 4 months, 22 days)
Retired
Curite Cassettes and Imports Ltd
07096722 (Dissolved)
Director
05 Dec 2009 - 01 Feb 2011 (1 year, 1 month, 27 days)
Retired
Gentoo Associates Limited
06248996 (Dissolved)
Director, Director
16 May 2007 - 01 Nov 2008 (1 year, 5 months, 16 days)
5000 ventilators MY ARSE! [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 14:42]
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I'll readily eat sh1t if wrong mr and happy to take your word for it, for now (too busy to argue!) |  |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:46 - Apr 15 with 814 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:35 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
Firstly, procurement is even more of a nightmare if you aren't trying to do it - we were still effectively on a herd immunity strategy when plenty of other countries were gearing up to follow WHO advice of test,test test.
Secondly, with regards to the timing of the lockdown - going ahead with Cheltenham, going ahead with letting Madrid fans come to Liverpool were utter madness. Plus the mixed messaging of Boris saying how we will fight this head on, been shaking hands etc.
Some stuff has been done well, the capacity of ITU especially and the Nightingale hospital - but there are other ares where major errors have occured and we had the warning, we knew where this was going, we knew a lockdown was coming |
It's going to matter nothing when this is all over as after the third lockdown the current death counts are going to look like nothing.
IMHO of course. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:59 - Apr 15 with 798 views | itfcjoe |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:46 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
It's going to matter nothing when this is all over as after the third lockdown the current death counts are going to look like nothing.
IMHO of course. |
Then the first lockdown should have been earlier surely?
Once this sweeps through the care homes, which it sounds as though it is beginning to do so then numbers could go anywhere | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 15:13 - Apr 15 with 790 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:59 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
Then the first lockdown should have been earlier surely?
Once this sweeps through the care homes, which it sounds as though it is beginning to do so then numbers could go anywhere |
Personally I don't think it was viable to have locked down sooner, the public weren't ready for it IMHO.
In hindsight (great isn't it) Goodwood and Anfield should have been pulled and I thought this at the time. Pubs could probably have been closed a week or even two earlier, I certainly abstained from them and was in dismay when I saw the amount of people still going.
Everyone has an opinion which is fair enough but I just get annoyed at all the experts piping up, it's like a nuclear Brexit.
I honestly think that the current death rate is nothing to what it's going to be, it's going to be a hell of a cull. Mind you the death rate is still just a blip on usual annual deaths, this week last year 12,788 people died in England and Wales.
The care home thing is a big problem and I would say pretty much unstoppable. It's tragic, especially for the relatives who can't visit them. Some care homes are doing as well as they can with their residents but I can imagine some are like hell on earth. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 15:29 - Apr 15 with 779 views | itfcjoe |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 15:13 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
Personally I don't think it was viable to have locked down sooner, the public weren't ready for it IMHO.
In hindsight (great isn't it) Goodwood and Anfield should have been pulled and I thought this at the time. Pubs could probably have been closed a week or even two earlier, I certainly abstained from them and was in dismay when I saw the amount of people still going.
Everyone has an opinion which is fair enough but I just get annoyed at all the experts piping up, it's like a nuclear Brexit.
I honestly think that the current death rate is nothing to what it's going to be, it's going to be a hell of a cull. Mind you the death rate is still just a blip on usual annual deaths, this week last year 12,788 people died in England and Wales.
The care home thing is a big problem and I would say pretty much unstoppable. It's tragic, especially for the relatives who can't visit them. Some care homes are doing as well as they can with their residents but I can imagine some are like hell on earth. |
I don't think it took hindsight to see that CHeltenham and letting 3k fans come in from Madrid which was one of the global hot spots was a bad idea - and feels like they leaned too heavily into asking people not to do things rather than just telling them.
There was a graph in the FT yesterday which showed how this isn't a blip - last week was the worst for deaths in England and Wales since records began, and the spike for last week was almost off the scale, will try and find it
Care homes will do as well as they can, but a lot of the staff are just lowly paid workers doing what they can without anywhere near the levels of training or equipment required - my wife's cousin is one and in no way physically or mentally equipped to deal with anything, and she's been in there a few years, 5 years ago she would have been even less equipped when she first started. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 17:08 - Apr 15 with 763 views | monytowbray |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 12:13 - Apr 15 by GlasgowBlue |
That’s odd. Callis has be responding to posts on this thread within minutes. As soon as somebody posts something that doesn’t fit his narrative he disappears. [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 12:19]
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Glassers hasn’t been on the forum a while. Must not fit his narrative LOL. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 17:09 - Apr 15 with 762 views | monytowbray |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:17 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
Looks to me as if there is a specification issue, no more no less.
With the money the government have shelled out already I doubt they would skimp on some ventilators if they were in need of them. I would think they would buy some for the PR alone.
On a side note has it not been suggested that ventilators may not be as useful as once thought with Covid? Someone with more knowledge than you and I may be able to answer this.
"The whole dealing of this crisis from top to bottom has been a disgrace".
This is your opinion. |
They did skimp out on ventilators though. Through incompetence and wanting to give their mates the cash I’d guess. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 17:14 - Apr 15 with 759 views | StokieBlue |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 15:13 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
Personally I don't think it was viable to have locked down sooner, the public weren't ready for it IMHO.
In hindsight (great isn't it) Goodwood and Anfield should have been pulled and I thought this at the time. Pubs could probably have been closed a week or even two earlier, I certainly abstained from them and was in dismay when I saw the amount of people still going.
Everyone has an opinion which is fair enough but I just get annoyed at all the experts piping up, it's like a nuclear Brexit.
I honestly think that the current death rate is nothing to what it's going to be, it's going to be a hell of a cull. Mind you the death rate is still just a blip on usual annual deaths, this week last year 12,788 people died in England and Wales.
The care home thing is a big problem and I would say pretty much unstoppable. It's tragic, especially for the relatives who can't visit them. Some care homes are doing as well as they can with their residents but I can imagine some are like hell on earth. |
"I honestly think that the current death rate is nothing to what it's going to be, it's going to be a hell of a cull. Mind you the death rate is still just a blip on usual annual deaths, this week last year 12,788 people died in England and Wales."
It's starting to look like the excess deaths are actually quite large. Someone posted a 5 year average for a couple of weeks ago versus the number this year and it was something like 50% higher.
We won't know the actual excess mortality for a while though.
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 17:52 - Apr 15 with 730 views | jimmyvet |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 13:54 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
I've been posting this stuff live as it was unfolding and was told to shut up and called several names because I was political point scoring apparently.
My "narrative" has remained the same throughout, and I've even said some things the government have done have been better (like finally going into lockdown and supporting employees even if the latter is still full of holes).
There's a lot of stuff going on in the UK where the writing was on the wall for weeks and we've done too little, too late, with countless fumbles and lies along the way.
The fact we may likely hit Italy and Spain levels of death tolls when other countries have mitigated damage says a lot. I'd be surprised if there is any freak reason for that. What needs to happen after this is an independent investigation and those responsible are held accountable. |
With all your undoubted knowledge, wisdom and hindsight no doubt your work takes you to a scientific lab or similar that focuses on CR19. So what exciting update have you got today from your first hand scientific knowledge and expertise. | | | |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 18:10 - Apr 15 with 713 views | monytowbray |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 17:52 - Apr 15 by jimmyvet |
With all your undoubted knowledge, wisdom and hindsight no doubt your work takes you to a scientific lab or similar that focuses on CR19. So what exciting update have you got today from your first hand scientific knowledge and expertise. |
You can actually read what I post and discuss it with counterpoints.
Or you can carry on with sarcastic remarks that add nothing to the point and just make you look a bit childish.
I'm fine either way, but you'd get more productive responses if you did the former. | |
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| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 18:46 - Apr 15 with 687 views | giant_stow |
| Judging by telly this morning we are now allowed to say..... on 14:39 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
This is the problem Ulla. Normally for a budgie you are an ok guy but you are falling into the believe what you read trap. This sort of thing will be read and shared by thousands. It has taken me a few minutes to debunk this bloke as a chancer. His company is worth feck all and the director (as in the report) has a history of failed or closed businesses.
Some of the loons on here are transparent but I thought better of you.
I'm loving some of his retired directorships.
Out of the following what is everyones favourite? I like The Composite Stable Door Company Ltd
Company & Function Status
Direct Access Consultancy Limited
05185023 (Active)
Director, Director
20 Jul 2004 - Present (15 years, 8 months, 26 days)
Open
DVD In Your Car Limited
04725216 (Dissolved)
Director, Managing Director
07 Apr 2003 - 25 Jul 2006 (Close)
Closed
Aspire Occupational Health Limited
06596601 (Dissolved)
Director, Director
21 Dec 2011 - 05 Feb 2013 (Close)
Closed
The Composite Stable Door Company Ltd
07433302 (Dissolved)
Director, Company Director
09 Nov 2010 - 01 Apr 2012 (1 year, 4 months, 22 days)
Retired
Curite Cassettes and Imports Ltd
07096722 (Dissolved)
Director
05 Dec 2009 - 01 Feb 2011 (1 year, 1 month, 27 days)
Retired
Gentoo Associates Limited
06248996 (Dissolved)
Director, Director
16 May 2007 - 01 Nov 2008 (1 year, 5 months, 16 days)
5000 ventilators MY ARSE! [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 14:42]
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I've had a look now and think you've been a bit harsh on me too!
The company Direct Access was good enough to fool the local MP into backing them too, so I don't think it's wrong of me to link to the story. It was also mentioned in Callis's FT link, so more credence there, so i think you're a bit quick to call fake news. Were the Cabinet Office wrong to send him an apology?!
Also, just because the guy has business failures behind him, does that mean he's crap now?
Apart from that, it looks like they were the middle guys - what about Topland (who look like the actual suppliers? Are they also crap and lying too?
Could be - I can't see what site you've used to check it out, but all told, I reject your disaproval (with a smile)! [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 18:53]
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