| Lockdown exit strategy 12:39 - Apr 15 with 3975 views | Guthrum |
How can the Government (or anyone else) set out a lockdown exit strategy when we can't yet say where we are in the progress of C-19 in the UK, when we have little (non-Chinese) info on the effects of doing so? We have no timeline and no route map yet to base anything on. |  |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:36 - Apr 15 with 543 views | hampstead_blue |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 13:48 - Apr 15 by StokieBlue |
C19 Lotto.
If your number comes up you're allowed to go about your business until you catch it or prove your immune.
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....or die.....not being glib but that's a serious consideration. |  |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:38 - Apr 15 with 535 views | hampstead_blue |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:06 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
I honestly don't think it's asking too much for a broad strokes picture of how we plan to come out of lockdown. We really do have such a low bar when it comes to expectations of our government sometimes. Of course plans can and will be subject to change but the situation being uncertain doesn't justify not developing a plan (or plans) to ultimately ease restrictions. [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 16:39]
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If you can deliver a broad strokes plan then please share.
No plan will last more than 24 hrs I'm afraid. Starmer has misjudged this one. Not sure what on earth he is thinking! | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:40 - Apr 15 with 527 views | Herbivore |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:38 - Apr 15 by hampstead_blue |
If you can deliver a broad strokes plan then please share.
No plan will last more than 24 hrs I'm afraid. Starmer has misjudged this one. Not sure what on earth he is thinking! |
It's not my job to deliver an exit strategy from lockdown. The government, however, needs to have a strategy and is responsible for devising and implementing one. What a ridiculous counter argument. |  |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:42 - Apr 15 with 519 views | eireblue |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:38 - Apr 15 by hampstead_blue |
If you can deliver a broad strokes plan then please share.
No plan will last more than 24 hrs I'm afraid. Starmer has misjudged this one. Not sure what on earth he is thinking! |
A strategy will last longer than 24 hrs.
What you do day to day is different that a strategy.
Even you should understand the difference between a military strategy, and what a particular unit intends to do tomorrow am. |  | | |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:43 - Apr 15 with 515 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:40 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
It's not my job to deliver an exit strategy from lockdown. The government, however, needs to have a strategy and is responsible for devising and implementing one. What a ridiculous counter argument. |
Indeed. And the stupid thing is that the government is saying they're following the science without letting anyone know what particular data they're looking at or letting other scientists review and possibly question it/improve the insight.
To me that's not following the science. |  |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:45 - Apr 15 with 511 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:42 - Apr 15 by eireblue |
A strategy will last longer than 24 hrs.
What you do day to day is different that a strategy.
Even you should understand the difference between a military strategy, and what a particular unit intends to do tomorrow am. |
I think Hampstead is more a minute by minute guy. Putting on underpants in the morning is the big-picture stuff. | |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:49 - Apr 15 with 483 views | eireblue |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:45 - Apr 15 by Darth_Koont |
I think Hampstead is more a minute by minute guy. Putting on underpants in the morning is the big-picture stuff. |
True, you could start with the left leg, then realise that your underpants are inside out, and so have to make a decision on whether to abandon and regroup, or continue and be slightly sub-optimal for the rest of the day.
Whereas the overall strategy is not to appear b*llock naked during a Zoom with the in-laws. | | | |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:55 - Apr 15 with 469 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:49 - Apr 15 by eireblue |
True, you could start with the left leg, then realise that your underpants are inside out, and so have to make a decision on whether to abandon and regroup, or continue and be slightly sub-optimal for the rest of the day.
Whereas the overall strategy is not to appear b*llock naked during a Zoom with the in-laws. |
In my defence, I said "Fancy a bit of how's your father?" Turns out she didn't know it was an expression. | |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:00 - Apr 15 with 454 views | hampstead_blue |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:40 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
It's not my job to deliver an exit strategy from lockdown. The government, however, needs to have a strategy and is responsible for devising and implementing one. What a ridiculous counter argument. |
My point is that there is no point is devising an exit plan now. As such we may as well all have a go.
It's up to the scientists to decide and from the interview I heard yesterday with one of them on the strategy team that ain't going to be anytime which will make Starmer happy. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:02 - Apr 15 with 449 views | hampstead_blue |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 16:42 - Apr 15 by eireblue |
A strategy will last longer than 24 hrs.
What you do day to day is different that a strategy.
Even you should understand the difference between a military strategy, and what a particular unit intends to do tomorrow am. |
you're right.
Strategy and Tactical planning. Am on that.
I really don't think there is a strategy which they can pin their hat too.
What would it be? Partial lifting, kids back to school, certain trades/professions go back?
Any of them could be deemed wrong in a short space of time. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:03 - Apr 15 with 447 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:00 - Apr 15 by hampstead_blue |
My point is that there is no point is devising an exit plan now. As such we may as well all have a go.
It's up to the scientists to decide and from the interview I heard yesterday with one of them on the strategy team that ain't going to be anytime which will make Starmer happy. |
That might make political sense but doesn't make much scientific or decision-making sense.
If they don't know then it's time to discuss the options and the parameters. Even if that is the way towards finding out the broad approach we're following. | |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:04 - Apr 15 with 444 views | eireblue |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:00 - Apr 15 by hampstead_blue |
My point is that there is no point is devising an exit plan now. As such we may as well all have a go.
It's up to the scientists to decide and from the interview I heard yesterday with one of them on the strategy team that ain't going to be anytime which will make Starmer happy. |
I think you are missing the point.
Doesn't matter when the exit is.
The circumstances that make an exit of possible, and how that exit should be managed can be prepared.
Lets try it from your angle.
If you can't do anything definitive within a 24hr period.
Can you explain the difference between setting a target publicly and describing an exit strategy? | | | |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:21 - Apr 15 with 416 views | Herbivore |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:00 - Apr 15 by hampstead_blue |
My point is that there is no point is devising an exit plan now. As such we may as well all have a go.
It's up to the scientists to decide and from the interview I heard yesterday with one of them on the strategy team that ain't going to be anytime which will make Starmer happy. |
Of course there is a point in having an exit strategy now. If, for example, the strategy is going to involve mandatory wearing of masks in public then having that as part of a strategy now would lead to us ensuring we have sufficient masks to make that possible. If our strategy involves contact tracing and ramping up testing then we need the tech and resources to do that. If we have no strategy then how are we meant to adequately prepare for leaving lockdown? We have been on the back foot throughout, hence lack of PPE and testing capacity for example, so why continue with a reactive approach that leaves us still on the back foot? You don't fail to strategise just because elements of the plan might have to change. [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 17:22]
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:36 - Apr 15 with 394 views | Sharkey |
a bit off-topic, but I believe all Danish primary schools re-opened today. |  | | |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 18:13 - Apr 15 with 356 views | Guthrum |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:36 - Apr 15 by Sharkey |
a bit off-topic, but I believe all Danish primary schools re-opened today. |
Yes. That and Austria provide something of a ray of hope, in that we will get essential data from what happens to them now. Which will allow us to plan what we can do and in what order. | |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 18:17 - Apr 15 with 354 views | monytowbray |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:36 - Apr 15 by Sharkey |
a bit off-topic, but I believe all Danish primary schools re-opened today. |
Didn't realise they made Danish schools as well as Danish pastries and Danish bread.
Every day is a school day. |  |
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| Lockdown exit strategy on 18:54 - Apr 15 with 328 views | gordon |
| Lockdown exit strategy on 17:21 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
Of course there is a point in having an exit strategy now. If, for example, the strategy is going to involve mandatory wearing of masks in public then having that as part of a strategy now would lead to us ensuring we have sufficient masks to make that possible. If our strategy involves contact tracing and ramping up testing then we need the tech and resources to do that. If we have no strategy then how are we meant to adequately prepare for leaving lockdown? We have been on the back foot throughout, hence lack of PPE and testing capacity for example, so why continue with a reactive approach that leaves us still on the back foot? You don't fail to strategise just because elements of the plan might have to change. [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 17:22]
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Exactly - if we are to, for example, mandate that pubs and restaurants will go back to business as usual, or can open under certain conditions, or are to be closed until September, then giving people some idea of this would be really useful.
Despite what lots of people are saying on here, there isn't actually that much that's going to change over the next few months in terms of our understanding of the key variables - we (approximately) know what the infection rate was before the lockdown, we know what it is during the lockdown, and we know how this translates to critical care / deaths.
What we need to start thinking about as soon as possible is innovative, clever ways for things to get back to some semblance of normal as quickly as possible while also maintaining physical distancing. |  | | |
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