| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" 09:22 - Jun 4 with 16798 views | uefacup81 |
Yeah, they certainly do...
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| McCann - on 18:45 - Jun 4 with 2418 views | BarcaBlue |
| McCann - on 18:31 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
Everything I have posted is a fact and is in the public domain. A lot of people seem to be going on what has been portrayed by the MSM and nothing else. If people can't actually be bothered to do read the official police report and do a bit of research then as far as I am concerned they are being ignorant to the facts and seem happy to remain so. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 18:32]
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This isn't the first time you've presented "facts" on here. I assume your research has led you to the conclusion you wanted it to. The same when you were claiming there were widespread anti-lockdown protests in Spain, turned out it was a handful of far right nutters in a posh neighbourhood in Madrid. What kicks do you get from spreading this stuff? |  | | |
| McCann - on 18:46 - Jun 4 with 2418 views | Ryorry |
| McCann - on 18:31 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
Everything I have posted is a fact and is in the public domain. A lot of people seem to be going on what has been portrayed by the MSM and nothing else. If people can't actually be bothered to do read the official police report and do a bit of research then as far as I am concerned they are being ignorant to the facts and seem happy to remain so. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 18:32]
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This case has been through endless scrutiny and umpteen police enquiries without the McCanns being found guilty on the "evidence" you have provided in this very non-court of law.
Not sure what makes you arrogant enough to think you're right, without any new evidence being provided.
As others have said, the McCanns messed up on one night, chose to actually prolong the enquiries & investigations as much as they could - not the actions of guilty people - and have suffered far more punishment than could be imposed by any court.
If you'd ever been falsely accused of something you were innocent of in any way, never mind on social media, you'd soon stop hounding people with your theories.
Oh, and I (and many others on here no doubt) have read all about it extensively previously, and come to very different conclusions to you. |  |
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| McCann - on 18:50 - Jun 4 with 2395 views | Shawsey |
| McCann - on 18:46 - Jun 4 by Ryorry |
This case has been through endless scrutiny and umpteen police enquiries without the McCanns being found guilty on the "evidence" you have provided in this very non-court of law.
Not sure what makes you arrogant enough to think you're right, without any new evidence being provided.
As others have said, the McCanns messed up on one night, chose to actually prolong the enquiries & investigations as much as they could - not the actions of guilty people - and have suffered far more punishment than could be imposed by any court.
If you'd ever been falsely accused of something you were innocent of in any way, never mind on social media, you'd soon stop hounding people with your theories.
Oh, and I (and many others on here no doubt) have read all about it extensively previously, and come to very different conclusions to you. |
Just for the record, they have admitted to leaving their children unattended on numerous other occasions. Just for the record. |  | | |
| McCann - on 18:56 - Jun 4 with 2382 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 18:45 - Jun 4 by BarcaBlue |
This isn't the first time you've presented "facts" on here. I assume your research has led you to the conclusion you wanted it to. The same when you were claiming there were widespread anti-lockdown protests in Spain, turned out it was a handful of far right nutters in a posh neighbourhood in Madrid. What kicks do you get from spreading this stuff? |
Please go over my posts and point out to me where I have given 'my 'conclusion.
Or have I just stated facts as per the official Police report? |  | | |
| McCann - on 18:56 - Jun 4 with 2377 views | Ryorry |
| McCann - on 18:50 - Jun 4 by Shawsey |
Just for the record, they have admitted to leaving their children unattended on numerous other occasions. Just for the record. |
And?
Obviously doesn't mean they were guilty of murdering Madeleine or covering up her accidental death. | |
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| McCann - on 18:56 - Jun 4 with 2376 views | jeera |
| McCann - on 18:50 - Jun 4 by Shawsey |
Just for the record, they have admitted to leaving their children unattended on numerous other occasions. Just for the record. |
There's no context to be taken from that at all.
People doing something deemed irresponsible does not make them child killers.
The speculative nonsense is unacceptable to any semi-decent human being, or at least should be.
As Ryorry has said, all the facts are out there, as simple or a scientific as anyone likes to involve themselves in.
Much of the disgusting accusatory stuff has come straight from tabloid headlines who in turn grabbed what they could early doors from dodgy local Portuguese sources. They all reported the same stories because that's all they had to sell more copies.
People aren't interested in facts, only gossip and making things up.
Not many science based links on here so far. |  |
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| McCann - on 18:58 - Jun 4 with 2368 views | Shawsey |
| McCann - on 18:56 - Jun 4 by jeera |
There's no context to be taken from that at all.
People doing something deemed irresponsible does not make them child killers.
The speculative nonsense is unacceptable to any semi-decent human being, or at least should be.
As Ryorry has said, all the facts are out there, as simple or a scientific as anyone likes to involve themselves in.
Much of the disgusting accusatory stuff has come straight from tabloid headlines who in turn grabbed what they could early doors from dodgy local Portuguese sources. They all reported the same stories because that's all they had to sell more copies.
People aren't interested in facts, only gossip and making things up.
Not many science based links on here so far. |
Never said there was, I was just correcting the other poster. | | | |
| McCann - on 18:59 - Jun 4 with 2362 views | Shawsey |
| McCann - on 18:56 - Jun 4 by Ryorry |
And?
Obviously doesn't mean they were guilty of murdering Madeleine or covering up her accidental death. |
You said they "messed up on one night". I was just saying it wasn't the first time, that is all. I have no judgement either way. | | | |
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| McCann - on 19:05 - Jun 4 with 2346 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 18:45 - Jun 4 by BarcaBlue |
This isn't the first time you've presented "facts" on here. I assume your research has led you to the conclusion you wanted it to. The same when you were claiming there were widespread anti-lockdown protests in Spain, turned out it was a handful of far right nutters in a posh neighbourhood in Madrid. What kicks do you get from spreading this stuff? |
I don't get any kicks from spreading anything I have merely provided facts of circumstantial evidence as per the official Police report.
As for the widespread anti lockdown protests in Madrid i conceded that it was exaggerated but guess where I got that information from in the first place, MSM. Funny that isn't it.
But I think you are now being a bit disingenuous claiming that it was only really a handfull. It was clearly more than that. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 19:20]
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| McCann - on 19:07 - Jun 4 with 2331 views | Ryorry |
| McCann - on 18:59 - Jun 4 by Shawsey |
You said they "messed up on one night". I was just saying it wasn't the first time, that is all. I have no judgement either way. |
OK, fair enough. | |
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| McCann - on 19:18 - Jun 4 with 2312 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 18:46 - Jun 4 by Ryorry |
This case has been through endless scrutiny and umpteen police enquiries without the McCanns being found guilty on the "evidence" you have provided in this very non-court of law.
Not sure what makes you arrogant enough to think you're right, without any new evidence being provided.
As others have said, the McCanns messed up on one night, chose to actually prolong the enquiries & investigations as much as they could - not the actions of guilty people - and have suffered far more punishment than could be imposed by any court.
If you'd ever been falsely accused of something you were innocent of in any way, never mind on social media, you'd soon stop hounding people with your theories.
Oh, and I (and many others on here no doubt) have read all about it extensively previously, and come to very different conclusions to you. |
I don't think I am right on anything. If you look at my posts i have not given 'My' Opinion, i have merely highlighted circumstantial evidence against the McCann's as was uncovered during the original police investigation as is in the official report.
None of what I have posted in this thread is made up. Are people not allowed to present facts on here and debate?
As for the Metropolitan Police 's subsequent investigation they never bothered investigating any claims against the MCann's. They ruled them out of being suspects before they even started the investigation. Why would they do that? Surely you don't rule anyone out as being a suspect before starting an investigation. Could it be that the McCann's would only agree to cooperate in a new investigation if they weren't considered possible suspects? The Metropolitan Police have only ever pursued the abduction theory. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 19:27]
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| McCann - on 19:27 - Jun 4 with 2299 views | Shawsey |
| McCann - on 19:18 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
I don't think I am right on anything. If you look at my posts i have not given 'My' Opinion, i have merely highlighted circumstantial evidence against the McCann's as was uncovered during the original police investigation as is in the official report.
None of what I have posted in this thread is made up. Are people not allowed to present facts on here and debate?
As for the Metropolitan Police 's subsequent investigation they never bothered investigating any claims against the MCann's. They ruled them out of being suspects before they even started the investigation. Why would they do that? Surely you don't rule anyone out as being a suspect before starting an investigation. Could it be that the McCann's would only agree to cooperate in a new investigation if they weren't considered possible suspects? The Metropolitan Police have only ever pursued the abduction theory. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 19:27]
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Your second sentence isn't fact, it is assumption. | | | |
| McCann - on 19:32 - Jun 4 with 2285 views | PhilTWTD |
| McCann - on 18:07 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
All that article states is the Leicestershire police knew that the DNA evidence wasn't conclusive unlike what the Portuguese were stating at the time but couldn't say anything due to privacy laws. The report based on the investigation of which the Leicestershire police were part of states that the most probable outcome was Maddie died as a result of an accident and the McCann's covered it up.
Don't forget there was blood spatter which matched Madeleine 's found on the wall behind the sofa as well as her blood found under the tiles of the apartment that had seeped in through cracks in the grout. This is all fact and covered in the report. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 18:22]
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Not sure they are re blood splatter: https://metro.co.uk/2007/08/16/traces-of-blood-not-maddies-21885/
And the blood under tiles was attributed to a forensics officer. Ultimately, I'm not sure serious credence is now given to anything other than an abduction by an intruder. |  | | |
| McCann - on 19:40 - Jun 4 with 2252 views | LeoMuff |
| McCann - on 19:18 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
I don't think I am right on anything. If you look at my posts i have not given 'My' Opinion, i have merely highlighted circumstantial evidence against the McCann's as was uncovered during the original police investigation as is in the official report.
None of what I have posted in this thread is made up. Are people not allowed to present facts on here and debate?
As for the Metropolitan Police 's subsequent investigation they never bothered investigating any claims against the MCann's. They ruled them out of being suspects before they even started the investigation. Why would they do that? Surely you don't rule anyone out as being a suspect before starting an investigation. Could it be that the McCann's would only agree to cooperate in a new investigation if they weren't considered possible suspects? The Metropolitan Police have only ever pursued the abduction theory. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 19:27]
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Now I do t claim to be an expert on this but how could it be possible that they could have been involved, they were sat having dinner with friends when she was discovered missing.
They would have to be the coldest criminal genius to carry that through without leaving any incriminating evidence, and how would they have disposed of the body with the worlds press following them 24/7
They are guilty of some neglectful parenting but aren’t most at some point in our life as parents. |  |
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| McCann - on 20:05 - Jun 4 with 2207 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 19:40 - Jun 4 by LeoMuff |
Now I do t claim to be an expert on this but how could it be possible that they could have been involved, they were sat having dinner with friends when she was discovered missing.
They would have to be the coldest criminal genius to carry that through without leaving any incriminating evidence, and how would they have disposed of the body with the worlds press following them 24/7
They are guilty of some neglectful parenting but aren’t most at some point in our life as parents. |
If you read the witness statements of The 'Tapas 7' and Gerry & Kates there are a lot of holes in them and the timing of events that evening doesn't tally with other witnesses in the Tapas bar. The Police theorised that either Gerry or Kate discovered Maddies body much earlier but they didn't raise the alarm until later after they had cleaned the apartment and temporarily hidden the body. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 20:08]
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| McCann - on 20:14 - Jun 4 with 2196 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 18:42 - Jun 4 by bluelagos |
Just had a cursory search of the files you link. I can't find anything matching what you posted ref the Leicestershire police.
I did a search on Leicester and Leicestershire and didn't even get a match. Did the same with "cover" and all I found were some references to the contents of a documentary.
Can you help me out? |
The report is extensive. I read it a few years ago. There is no way I can remember the exact location in the report of every specific thing I have highlighted
This is the link for the table of contents.
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAGE_ORDER.htm
This is the link for the full report translated into English.
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm | | | |
| McCann - on 20:20 - Jun 4 with 2176 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| McCann - on 20:05 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
If you read the witness statements of The 'Tapas 7' and Gerry & Kates there are a lot of holes in them and the timing of events that evening doesn't tally with other witnesses in the Tapas bar. The Police theorised that either Gerry or Kate discovered Maddies body much earlier but they didn't raise the alarm until later after they had cleaned the apartment and temporarily hidden the body. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 20:08]
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“I’m not giving my opinion, but here are a number of reasons it was definitely the McCanns...” 🙄 |  |
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| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 20:21 - Jun 4 with 2174 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 17:52 - Jun 4 by bluelagos |
Zero scrutiny? You being serious? The police and press have been all over the case and if there was any solid evidence, they will have considered it.
The point I make with regards to the McCanns is that they have not stopped from trying to keep the case in the public eye. Not foe a minute. That is not consistent with someone who knows how or was involved in how Maddie died.
Trial by social media is pretty tasteless when there is nothing to go on other than the fact that the McCanns fcked up one night, for which I am 100% sure they beat themselves up for every day of their lives. |
This x 1,000,000 | |
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| McCann - on 20:22 - Jun 4 with 2175 views | PhilTWTD |
This one then? "286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment.
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs. In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm | | | |
| McCann - on 20:37 - Jun 4 with 2142 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 20:20 - Jun 4 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“I’m not giving my opinion, but here are a number of reasons it was definitely the McCanns...” 🙄 |
Definitely the McCann's what? For what it's worth I don't think they killed her deliberately or even by accident. I do believe based on what evidence there is it is more likely they covered up her tragic death and hid the body possibly with help than her being abducted.
There is plenty of circumstantial evidence against a cover-up by the Mcann's and the
Tapas 7 when there is zero evidence that she abducted unless you are aware of some. | | | |
| McCann - on 20:40 - Jun 4 with 2127 views | jeera |
| McCann - on 20:37 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
Definitely the McCann's what? For what it's worth I don't think they killed her deliberately or even by accident. I do believe based on what evidence there is it is more likely they covered up her tragic death and hid the body possibly with help than her being abducted.
There is plenty of circumstantial evidence against a cover-up by the Mcann's and the
Tapas 7 when there is zero evidence that she abducted unless you are aware of some. |
Oh good f*****g grief.
Have a word with yourself. | |
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| McCann - on 20:40 - Jun 4 with 2126 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| McCann - on 20:37 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
Definitely the McCann's what? For what it's worth I don't think they killed her deliberately or even by accident. I do believe based on what evidence there is it is more likely they covered up her tragic death and hid the body possibly with help than her being abducted.
There is plenty of circumstantial evidence against a cover-up by the Mcann's and the
Tapas 7 when there is zero evidence that she abducted unless you are aware of some. |
“I don’t believe they killed her deliberately or even by accident, but I do think they covered up her death”
Umm, what??? | |
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| McCann - on 20:52 - Jun 4 with 2097 views | Ryorry |
| McCann - on 17:28 - Jun 4 by LankHenners |
They feed into each other - like I said on page 1, morons treating the case like a TV show fuels the fire for the media who, like they always do, will publish things they know the public are interested in. |
And this thread is an example of why most print & other MSM would have headlined the case this morning, above racism & riots in the USA, Covid_19 & UK domestic politics. | |
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| McCann - on 21:05 - Jun 4 with 2071 views | BarcaBlue |
| McCann - on 18:56 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
Please go over my posts and point out to me where I have given 'my 'conclusion.
Or have I just stated facts as per the official Police report? |
That aged well! | | | |
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