| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" 09:22 - Jun 4 with 16795 views | uefacup81 |
Yeah, they certainly do...
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| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 15:38 - Jun 4 with 2176 views | Ryorry |
| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 14:23 - Jun 4 by WD19 |
If ever one thread summed up how far up its own arse the human race has disappeared, this is it. |
Kangaroo Courts are the scourge of social media.
I'm pretty sure some on here would soon change their views if they were the innocent victims of one. |  |
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| McCann - on 16:01 - Jun 4 with 2137 views | NewcyBlue |
| McCann - on 13:24 - Jun 4 by J2BLUE |
Yes but it all seems part of your thinly veiled view that they had something to do with her disappearance. |
It's bloody disgusting to be honest. |  |
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| McCann - on 16:09 - Jun 4 with 2121 views | clive_baker |
| McCann - on 13:24 - Jun 4 by J2BLUE |
Yes but it all seems part of your thinly veiled view that they had something to do with her disappearance. |
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| McCann - on 16:19 - Jun 4 with 2093 views | Enigma_Blue |
It wasn't discredited as such more that a match of 15 out of 19 DNA markers is not enough to secure a conviction in the EU. However as I mentioned earlier it is close enough of a match to convict people in certain states in America.
The Portuguese Police were wrong to claim the DNA testing proved conclusively that it was Maddies DNA to try extract a confession from the McCann's. |  | | |
| McCann - on 16:26 - Jun 4 with 2075 views | clive_baker |
| McCann - on 16:01 - Jun 4 by NewcyBlue |
It's bloody disgusting to be honest. |
It is, more so given what the family have already been through. They'll never get over such a horrific thing, and it's made worse by people whispering vicious rumours wherever they go that are based on nothing but people's own morbid fascination with them.
It's utterly heartbreaking. A 3 year old girl, snatched from bed by a stranger in a foreign country. I doesn't bare thinking about what happened to her after that. I can't even imagine how scared she would've been in those moments. Just hours earlier she was probably playing in the pool and enjoying her holiday as a toddler, and then that. It's just so upsetting, it really is. | |
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| McCann - on 16:34 - Jun 4 with 2060 views | itfcjoe |
| McCann - on 16:26 - Jun 4 by clive_baker |
It is, more so given what the family have already been through. They'll never get over such a horrific thing, and it's made worse by people whispering vicious rumours wherever they go that are based on nothing but people's own morbid fascination with them.
It's utterly heartbreaking. A 3 year old girl, snatched from bed by a stranger in a foreign country. I doesn't bare thinking about what happened to her after that. I can't even imagine how scared she would've been in those moments. Just hours earlier she was probably playing in the pool and enjoying her holiday as a toddler, and then that. It's just so upsetting, it really is. |
Yep, she was a similar age to my eldest is now and when you have a child of that age you just know how aware of things they are, how much they understand and how horrifying it must have been.
You can only hope, that if she is dead, that it went badly wrong quickly and she wasn't subjected to days, weeks or months of a living hell.
It seems very much an Occam's Razor type case - do you believe the parents didn't go back enough, and someone knew that and struck.....or do you believe they killed her, covered it up, hid the body somewhere, then whilst massively in the public eye managed to remove it and dispose of it somehow after a clean up operation that only a cadaver dog could discover in days.
I'd never have left mine whilst they had dinner like that, but the punishment they've received is worse than any life sentence |  |
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| McCann - on 16:37 - Jun 4 with 2049 views | PhilTWTD |
| McCann - on 16:19 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
It wasn't discredited as such more that a match of 15 out of 19 DNA markers is not enough to secure a conviction in the EU. However as I mentioned earlier it is close enough of a match to convict people in certain states in America.
The Portuguese Police were wrong to claim the DNA testing proved conclusively that it was Maddies DNA to try extract a confession from the McCann's. |
I think that underplays the dubious nature of the claims re the DNA samples, to me this doesn't read as if it was a case of the evidence not being quite strong enough, as I think you're saying, more that the technique used doesn't yield an accurate enough result to be considered "meaningful".
In his email Mr Lowe reported that a sample from the boot of the car - which the McCanns rented 24 days after Madeleine went missing - contained 15 out of 19 of the young girl’s DNA components.
But he cautioned that this result, based on the controversial “low copy number” DNA analysis technique which uses very small samples, was “too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion”.
Mr Lowe wrote: “Let’s look at the question that is being asked: ’Is there DNA from Madeleine on the swab?’
“It would be very simple to say ’Yes’ simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.
“What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine - because Madeleine has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeleine merely appears to match the result by chance.”
The expert noted that the components of the missing girl’s DNA profile were not unique to her - in fact some of them were present among FSS scientists, including himself.
He concluded: “We cannot answer the question: is the match genuine, or is it a chance match.” |  | | |
| McCann - on 16:43 - Jun 4 with 2034 views | itfcjoe |
| McCann - on 16:37 - Jun 4 by PhilTWTD |
I think that underplays the dubious nature of the claims re the DNA samples, to me this doesn't read as if it was a case of the evidence not being quite strong enough, as I think you're saying, more that the technique used doesn't yield an accurate enough result to be considered "meaningful".
In his email Mr Lowe reported that a sample from the boot of the car - which the McCanns rented 24 days after Madeleine went missing - contained 15 out of 19 of the young girl’s DNA components.
But he cautioned that this result, based on the controversial “low copy number” DNA analysis technique which uses very small samples, was “too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion”.
Mr Lowe wrote: “Let’s look at the question that is being asked: ’Is there DNA from Madeleine on the swab?’
“It would be very simple to say ’Yes’ simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.
“What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine - because Madeleine has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeleine merely appears to match the result by chance.”
The expert noted that the components of the missing girl’s DNA profile were not unique to her - in fact some of them were present among FSS scientists, including himself.
He concluded: “We cannot answer the question: is the match genuine, or is it a chance match.” |
So you are saying that the report doesn't say that both the Leicestershire police and the Portuguese police concluded that the parents did it...?! | |
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| McCann - on 16:44 - Jun 4 with 2031 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 16:26 - Jun 4 by clive_baker |
It is, more so given what the family have already been through. They'll never get over such a horrific thing, and it's made worse by people whispering vicious rumours wherever they go that are based on nothing but people's own morbid fascination with them.
It's utterly heartbreaking. A 3 year old girl, snatched from bed by a stranger in a foreign country. I doesn't bare thinking about what happened to her after that. I can't even imagine how scared she would've been in those moments. Just hours earlier she was probably playing in the pool and enjoying her holiday as a toddler, and then that. It's just so upsetting, it really is. |
There is far more to it than morbid fascination. The main reason some people are so fascinated with them is because the media seems so fascinated with them. Children from the UK go missing every year, some have gone missing while the family have been abroad just like in the McCann's case but none have ever received the same amount of media exposure. What makes Maddie more special than any of the other kids? Don't get me wrong all kids are special and it's is tragic when something awful happens to them but have you ever wondered why the Mccann's receive so much media exposure? [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:22]
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| McCann - on 16:50 - Jun 4 with 2017 views | noggin |
| McCann - on 14:31 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
If you don't believe me read the police report. |
Show me where Leicestershire Police state that The McCanns covered up the death of their daughter. I've never heard that statement before. |  |
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| McCann - on 16:51 - Jun 4 with 2007 views | PhilTWTD |
| McCann - on 14:29 - Jun 4 by Libero |
I'm pretty sure Kennedy's involvement is next to nothing these days, appreciate the article doesn't confirm this and happy to be corrected if any one knows different. |
They may well have enough to cover whatever fees he's due via the various libel awards made against national newspapers over the years. | | | |
| McCann - on 16:52 - Jun 4 with 2005 views | clive_baker |
| McCann - on 16:44 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
There is far more to it than morbid fascination. The main reason some people are so fascinated with them is because the media seems so fascinated with them. Children from the UK go missing every year, some have gone missing while the family have been abroad just like in the McCann's case but none have ever received the same amount of media exposure. What makes Maddie more special than any of the other kids? Don't get me wrong all kids are special and it's is tragic when something awful happens to them but have you ever wondered why the Mccann's receive so much media exposure? [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:22]
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You seem to be replying to a different post, or you've not read my post.
When did I ever suggest MM was 'more special than any other kids' or that there aren't reasons why this story received more coverage than others? If you look at my reply at the top of the thread you'll actually see I said quite the opposite.
None of that has anything to do with this incident being deeply heart breaking. | |
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| McCann - on 17:03 - Jun 4 with 1982 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 16:37 - Jun 4 by PhilTWTD |
I think that underplays the dubious nature of the claims re the DNA samples, to me this doesn't read as if it was a case of the evidence not being quite strong enough, as I think you're saying, more that the technique used doesn't yield an accurate enough result to be considered "meaningful".
In his email Mr Lowe reported that a sample from the boot of the car - which the McCanns rented 24 days after Madeleine went missing - contained 15 out of 19 of the young girl’s DNA components.
But he cautioned that this result, based on the controversial “low copy number” DNA analysis technique which uses very small samples, was “too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion”.
Mr Lowe wrote: “Let’s look at the question that is being asked: ’Is there DNA from Madeleine on the swab?’
“It would be very simple to say ’Yes’ simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.
“What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine - because Madeleine has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeleine merely appears to match the result by chance.”
The expert noted that the components of the missing girl’s DNA profile were not unique to her - in fact some of them were present among FSS scientists, including himself.
He concluded: “We cannot answer the question: is the match genuine, or is it a chance match.” |
Yes it can't be conclusively proved one way or another that the DNA is Maddie's hence why they could not bring charges against them.
The position of the stains from which the DNA was obtained( like fluid had seeped out of the corners of a holdall of some kind as well as the Cadaver dogs Eddie & Keela signalling the presence of cadaverine in the boot of the car as well as their apartment is why the Portuguese & Leicestershire police believe that Mccann's covered up her death. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:24]
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| McCann - on 17:12 - Jun 4 with 1959 views | Fenland_Blue |
Absolute bonkers, to even think about leaving your children, 3 and under on their own at home while you pop a few doors down for a dinner party, let alone in a hotel room, in a foreign country.
While reading on it today, it popped up how over some months, they used the charity money given to them by the public to pay their mortgage. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:20]
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| McCann - on 17:13 - Jun 4 with 1954 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 16:52 - Jun 4 by clive_baker |
You seem to be replying to a different post, or you've not read my post.
When did I ever suggest MM was 'more special than any other kids' or that there aren't reasons why this story received more coverage than others? If you look at my reply at the top of the thread you'll actually see I said quite the opposite.
None of that has anything to do with this incident being deeply heart breaking. |
No I know you didnt. It was to do with your comment that people have a morbid fascination with them. I was making the point that it seems to be a knock on effect of this case being given a really high media profile in the first place IMO. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:17]
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| McCann - on 17:17 - Jun 4 with 1939 views | Enigma_Blue |
| McCann - on 16:50 - Jun 4 by noggin |
Show me where Leicestershire Police state that The McCanns covered up the death of their daughter. I've never heard that statement before. |
The full translated reported can be accessed from the link below.
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ | | | |
| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 17:20 - Jun 4 with 1923 views | noggin |
| McCann - on 17:12 - Jun 4 by Fenland_Blue |
Absolute bonkers, to even think about leaving your children, 3 and under on their own at home while you pop a few doors down for a dinner party, let alone in a hotel room, in a foreign country.
While reading on it today, it popped up how over some months, they used the charity money given to them by the public to pay their mortgage. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:20]
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Maybe you'd rather they and the other 2 kids moved into a bedsit while they mourn the loss of their child? | |
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| McCann - on 17:28 - Jun 4 with 1901 views | LankHenners |
| McCann - on 17:13 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
No I know you didnt. It was to do with your comment that people have a morbid fascination with them. I was making the point that it seems to be a knock on effect of this case being given a really high media profile in the first place IMO. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:17]
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They feed into each other - like I said on page 1, morons treating the case like a TV show fuels the fire for the media who, like they always do, will publish things they know the public are interested in. |  |
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| McCann - on 17:29 - Jun 4 with 1897 views | PhilTWTD |
| McCann - on 17:03 - Jun 4 by Enigma_Blue |
Yes it can't be conclusively proved one way or another that the DNA is Maddie's hence why they could not bring charges against them.
The position of the stains from which the DNA was obtained( like fluid had seeped out of the corners of a holdall of some kind as well as the Cadaver dogs Eddie & Keela signalling the presence of cadaverine in the boot of the car as well as their apartment is why the Portuguese & Leicestershire police believe that Mccann's covered up her death. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 17:24]
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Again, I think that underplays the dubiousness of that evidence, implying it was indicative but not enough to bring charges. And Leicestershire police never believed in that evidence or that there was a cover-up.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/28/leveson-madeleine-mccann-dna-polic | | | |
| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 17:52 - Jun 4 with 1844 views | bluelagos |
| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 13:24 - Jun 4 by uefacup81 |
Precisely.
Zero scrutiny of the McCanns, and any attempt to scrutinise them has been met with threats of legal action, or a complete wall of silence. |
Zero scrutiny? You being serious? The police and press have been all over the case and if there was any solid evidence, they will have considered it.
The point I make with regards to the McCanns is that they have not stopped from trying to keep the case in the public eye. Not foe a minute. That is not consistent with someone who knows how or was involved in how Maddie died.
Trial by social media is pretty tasteless when there is nothing to go on other than the fact that the McCanns fcked up one night, for which I am 100% sure they beat themselves up for every day of their lives. |  |
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| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 17:59 - Jun 4 with 1830 views | jeera |
| McCann - "Someone knows more than they're letting on" on 17:52 - Jun 4 by bluelagos |
Zero scrutiny? You being serious? The police and press have been all over the case and if there was any solid evidence, they will have considered it.
The point I make with regards to the McCanns is that they have not stopped from trying to keep the case in the public eye. Not foe a minute. That is not consistent with someone who knows how or was involved in how Maddie died.
Trial by social media is pretty tasteless when there is nothing to go on other than the fact that the McCanns fcked up one night, for which I am 100% sure they beat themselves up for every day of their lives. |
Absolutely.
It's weird and sickening how people will go to any lengths to invent sh1t on this.
There have been posters on this site (and countless others of course) who are willing to make stuff up in order to feed some unhealthy obsession.
Several on this thread so far too. |  |
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| McCann - on 18:07 - Jun 4 with 1822 views | Enigma_Blue |
All that article states is the Leicestershire police knew that the DNA evidence wasn't conclusive unlike what the Portuguese were stating at the time but couldn't say anything due to privacy laws. The report based on the investigation of which the Leicestershire police were part of states that the most probable outcome was Maddie died as a result of an accident and the McCann's covered it up.
Don't forget there was blood spatter which matched Madeleine 's found on the wall behind the sofa as well as her blood found under the tiles of the apartment that had seeped in through cracks in the grout. This is all fact and covered in the report. [Post edited 4 Jun 2020 18:22]
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| McCann - on 18:42 - Jun 4 with 1743 views | bluelagos |
Just had a cursory search of the files you link. I can't find anything matching what you posted ref the Leicestershire police.
I did a search on Leicester and Leicestershire and didn't even get a match. Did the same with "cover" and all I found were some references to the contents of a documentary.
Can you help me out? | |
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