| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m 17:41 - Jun 8 with 6813 views | BrixtonBlue |
rule. So pointless, and in fact irresponsible IMO, regardless of the science. People are struggling to do (or totally ignoring) 2m, so why make it worse by telling them they can get closer?! |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:36 - Jun 8 with 3316 views | m14_blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:31 - Jun 8 by Chutney |
I'm not looking for one, so your reply seems a bit odd. I'm not one to start arguments.
It's wrong to say custom halves. The distance between tables increases, but in terms of people that's not the same thing. Typically, you could go to a pub for food and be 2m+ from some anyway, pre Covid.
My uncle owns a Turkish restaurant. A 2m social distancing rule will require him to lose c. 10% of covers. It's rare that he's full anyway.
Sometimes it's also OK to not try and quantify things that you're not placed to. |
Ok mate, you’re right, it makes no difference at all and is just an arbitrary debate created by the press.
My staff will be relieved, as will all the other businesses that sit on our hospitality forums up here because they seem to think it will cripple them.
Your uncle must have the weirdest restaurant ever but Turkish food is amazing so I’ll let him off. |  | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:37 - Jun 8 with 3305 views | Enigma_Blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:03 - Jun 8 by WD19 |
I’ve been in a 1m rule relationship for 15 years..... |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:41 - Jun 8 with 3309 views | jas0999 |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:58 - Jun 8 by BrixtonBlue |
"the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses"?!? Really?! 1m is going to make that much of a difference? |
It will firstly allow employers to bring more people back to work - get employment moving again. Get folk off furlough too - more money for people to spend. Allows many businesses to reopen. Overall a 1M rule would be good for the economy, businesses, leisure etc. But it has to be safe to do so. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:46 - Jun 8 with 3299 views | flimflam |
If the government said 1m they would moan about something else.
The press are really doing my head in as ask the same questions over and over just so they have a voice and keep current.
They dont even send their in house scientists which would make more sense but their political correspondents who god forbid would lose some inches in the papers or minutes on the news. |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:49 - Jun 8 with 3287 views | jeera |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:07 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Pubs, cafes, restaurants etc would all be able to seat almost twice as many people.
At 2m they simply can’t open at the capacity to make them viable businesses. |
Quite.
"As per the British Hospitality Association records, tourism and hospitality is comprised of approximately 127,000 businesses and the industry is responsible for providing employment to about 1.6 million people. There are about 22,000 hotels, motels and guest houses in the UK."
And travel companies. Not sure how this will work regarding coaches and aircraft when that's all up and running properly. |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 19:06 - Jun 8 with 3247 views | BlueBadger |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:46 - Jun 8 by flimflam |
If the government said 1m they would moan about something else.
The press are really doing my head in as ask the same questions over and over just so they have a voice and keep current.
They dont even send their in house scientists which would make more sense but their political correspondents who god forbid would lose some inches in the papers or minutes on the news. |
God forbid they do their jobs and try to hold an incompetent government that's working to back-of-fag-packet plan to account, eh? |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 19:17 - Jun 8 with 3231 views | flimflam |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 19:06 - Jun 8 by BlueBadger |
God forbid they do their jobs and try to hold an incompetent government that's working to back-of-fag-packet plan to account, eh? |
No problem with holding the government to account and thats not what I was implying but some of the questions they repeatedly ask for the sake of asking beggars belief sometimes. | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 19:38 - Jun 8 with 3209 views | GeoffSentence |
We had a 6 inch rule at school. Girls and boys were not allowed within 6 inches of each other. Basically to stop any naughty stuff. That didn't work either. |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 19:41 - Jun 8 with 3204 views | ElderGrizzly |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:16 - Jun 8 by BrixtonBlue |
Yeah, fair point, as m14 also makes above. |
Germany is 1.5m, along with a lot of the EU and even holiday companies were suggesting that we should match it.
TUI had sent out messages recently saying if it didn’t change they would have to enforce different rules for different nationalities, which seemed rather weird |  | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 19:57 - Jun 8 with 3179 views | Fixed_It |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 19:38 - Jun 8 by GeoffSentence |
We had a 6 inch rule at school. Girls and boys were not allowed within 6 inches of each other. Basically to stop any naughty stuff. That didn't work either. |
6 inches? I'd have been alright then... ĺ  |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 20:14 - Jun 8 with 3148 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:55 - Jun 8 by Chutney |
I don't see what there is to gain from being able to be 1m from someone that we can't get from being 2m. Just seems like a nonsense, arbitrary debate that the press are keen to stoke for the sake of it. Unless there's a tangible benefit, i.e. perhaps retailers would be allowed more customers in at a time if that's the case? But I can't see one. Even if the appropriate answer is 1m, surely it's best to exercise a little caution anyway, especially as we've come this far with the 2m message.
There's enough sticks to beat the government with without having to make up nonsense ones like that. |
You get 4 times the number of people into a given space if we move to 1m spacing, that’s what this is all about. We’ve reconfigured all our lecture spaces at the uni and as it stands lecture halls that would have housed 170 students house about 30 under the 2m rule. That’s unworkable; you can’t repeat a lecture 3 or 4 times as there just isn’t enough space in the timetable. Change it to 1m and then you can have 120 in there, which means you can deliver most lectures once and re-open teaching. That’s only 1 example. The same will apply across all events/hospitality/work spaces.
There’s a large dose of bollox in all of this though. Studies into the spread of infections in workplaces and restaurants, etc., show that there are other important factors other than distance. There was a restaurant study that showed most people down one side of the restaurant caught the virus off one spreader because of how the air moved through the air con/vents. People many metres away were infected if they were ‘downwind’. The next people on an adjacent table were fine.
There’s a lot of nuance in the detail and ‘the science’, but we can’t have bespoke responses and there needs to be standard guidelines. I’d be happier with 2m as a buffer to offset some of the variables. The economics is taking priority though - the approach seems to be ‘what’s the minimum health interventions we get away to give businesses a chance’.
And don’t forget herd immunity is still on the table. The government were surprised at how successful the lockdown was, claiming it “too successful”. In senior medical/Govt circles they’re also surprised at how low the exposure rate appears to be. Original planning was based around more people catching the virus by now and gaining immunity. Now they’re worried most about a big wave in Nov/Dec in peak flu season. The more people who can achieve immunity by then the better, from their perspective. |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:21 - Jun 8 with 3117 views | Guthrum |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:13 - Jun 8 by BloomBlue |
Doesn't the WHO recommend 1m rather than 2m? |
They did at one point. Altho other experts, some of them linked to the WHO, reckon 2m is far too close. 5m is about right for negating the light droplets/airborne methods of transmission. |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:29 - Jun 8 with 3106 views | jeera |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:21 - Jun 8 by Guthrum |
They did at one point. Altho other experts, some of them linked to the WHO, reckon 2m is far too close. 5m is about right for negating the light droplets/airborne methods of transmission. |
Quite.
You can breathe all over someone from a metre for goodness' sake.
2 metres would never be enough being in someone's company for more than seconds at a time either, but is fine in passing, providing no one is coughing and spluttering everywhere. | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:33 - Jun 8 with 3097 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:36 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Ok mate, you’re right, it makes no difference at all and is just an arbitrary debate created by the press.
My staff will be relieved, as will all the other businesses that sit on our hospitality forums up here because they seem to think it will cripple them.
Your uncle must have the weirdest restaurant ever but Turkish food is amazing so I’ll let him off. |
To be fair, he didn't say "it makes no difference at all." | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:38 - Jun 8 with 3088 views | m14_blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:33 - Jun 8 by BrixtonBlue |
To be fair, he didn't say "it makes no difference at all." |
Whatever.
I really can’t be bothered playing semantics, he said it seems like a nonsense and he couldn’t see what there is to gain.
I was just trying to honestly answer what I thought was a genuine question, some people are just pathologically unable to accept when they’ve made a mistake, even a really small, insignificant one on an internet football forum.
I’m out. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:55 - Jun 8 with 3074 views | jeera |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:38 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Whatever.
I really can’t be bothered playing semantics, he said it seems like a nonsense and he couldn’t see what there is to gain.
I was just trying to honestly answer what I thought was a genuine question, some people are just pathologically unable to accept when they’ve made a mistake, even a really small, insignificant one on an internet football forum.
I’m out. |
Conversation is hard work on here atm.
People are looking for the tiniest crack in anything to try to big themselves up, desperate to appear clever.
It's a pathetic attitude which should only be reserved for pulling up poor grammar.
And those playing innocent are the worst for it. Passive-aggressive trolling mate. [Post edited 8 Jun 2020 22:08]
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 09:17 - Jun 9 with 2976 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:55 - Jun 8 by jeera |
Conversation is hard work on here atm.
People are looking for the tiniest crack in anything to try to big themselves up, desperate to appear clever.
It's a pathetic attitude which should only be reserved for pulling up poor grammar.
And those playing innocent are the worst for it. Passive-aggressive trolling mate. [Post edited 8 Jun 2020 22:08]
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Blimey, I think you and him need to calm down a bit. I've already conceded in this thread that I was wrong/hadn't thought it all through. | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 09:21 - Jun 9 with 2972 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 21:38 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Whatever.
I really can’t be bothered playing semantics, he said it seems like a nonsense and he couldn’t see what there is to gain.
I was just trying to honestly answer what I thought was a genuine question, some people are just pathologically unable to accept when they’ve made a mistake, even a really small, insignificant one on an internet football forum.
I’m out. |
The irony here is breathtaking. I made a mistake and have said in this thread I can see I was wrong. Meanwhile, you've misquoted someone but instead of holding your hands up you've thrown a paddy.
And then you have the gall to say "people are just pathologically unable to accept when they’ve made a mistake"! | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 11:02 - Jun 9 with 2939 views | m14_blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 09:21 - Jun 9 by BrixtonBlue |
The irony here is breathtaking. I made a mistake and have said in this thread I can see I was wrong. Meanwhile, you've misquoted someone but instead of holding your hands up you've thrown a paddy.
And then you have the gall to say "people are just pathologically unable to accept when they’ve made a mistake"! |
Obviously I wasn't talking about you.
I didn't quote anyone, let alone misquote someone. I summarised a position pretty fairly I think. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 11:37 - Jun 9 with 2907 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 11:02 - Jun 9 by m14_blue |
Obviously I wasn't talking about you.
I didn't quote anyone, let alone misquote someone. I summarised a position pretty fairly I think. |
Anyway, I broadly agree with you now I've thought about it.
One thing I would say is people have been talking about this 1m thing for a long time now - long before any talk of pubs and restaurants opening again. If all those comments were "because restaurants" then fair enough. I'm not entirely sure they were, though. | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 11:41 - Jun 9 with 2900 views | m14_blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 11:37 - Jun 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Anyway, I broadly agree with you now I've thought about it.
One thing I would say is people have been talking about this 1m thing for a long time now - long before any talk of pubs and restaurants opening again. If all those comments were "because restaurants" then fair enough. I'm not entirely sure they were, though. |
Yep, that's fair.
I work in hospitality so am directly impacted but perhaps it hasn't always been on everyone's mind. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 11:54 - Jun 9 with 2884 views | jeera |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 09:17 - Jun 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Blimey, I think you and him need to calm down a bit. I've already conceded in this thread that I was wrong/hadn't thought it all through. |
You're being paranoid.
Neither of us were referring to you.
You may be a few things but I don't think I'd accuse you of being false. | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 12:32 - Jun 9 with 2869 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 11:54 - Jun 9 by jeera |
You're being paranoid.
Neither of us were referring to you.
You may be a few things but I don't think I'd accuse you of being false. |
Given he was replying to me, and you were replying to him replying to me, I don't think I was being ENTIRELY paranoid! | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 22:29 - Jun 9 with 2812 views | jeera |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 12:32 - Jun 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Given he was replying to me, and you were replying to him replying to me, I don't think I was being ENTIRELY paranoid! |
Well I would assume that you would believe we think better of you then.
There you go. Everyone's happy.
He was referring to someone else and I was agreeing with him on that.
If you've ever seen Basil the Rat you will know how these things can happen. | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 22:32 - Jun 9 with 2810 views | flimflam |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 12:32 - Jun 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Given he was replying to me, and you were replying to him replying to me, I don't think I was being ENTIRELY paranoid! |
Who said that | |
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