| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:00 - Jul 12 with 552 views | judespiveyg |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 19:47 - Jul 12 by Bluefish |
this is going to hurt but Super Mick will always be remembered as a serial over achiever for Ipswich. Big fat dino Joe will always be an under achiever |
Now I never got to see Royles teams play but from what can tell and have been told Royle and McCarthy were kind of similar in that they both overachieved on a small budget. Weren't Royles team really exciting to watch, lots of goals? |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:02 - Jul 12 with 546 views | Bluefish |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:00 - Jul 12 by judespiveyg |
Now I never got to see Royles teams play but from what can tell and have been told Royle and McCarthy were kind of similar in that they both overachieved on a small budget. Weren't Royles team really exciting to watch, lots of goals? |
He was a dino. He inherited a lot and left an absolute mess. Criminal not to take us up and then utterly clueless in the transfer market. He made Hurst look competent at signing players |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:03 - Jul 12 with 547 views | Herbivore |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:00 - Jul 12 by judespiveyg |
Now I never got to see Royles teams play but from what can tell and have been told Royle and McCarthy were kind of similar in that they both overachieved on a small budget. Weren't Royles team really exciting to watch, lots of goals? |
Royle had comparatively a much better squad and we were bigger fish in the second tier during his tenure than we ever were under Mick. The football under Royle was entertaining fairly often, it wasn't for the purest as it was pretty direct but we did score and concede plenty. Like a better version of the Jewell days. |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:07 - Jul 12 with 537 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 19:59 - Jul 12 by Bluefish |
A premier league squad plus youngsters like D Bent. Not difficult is it? He had Pablo ffs |
What Premier League squad?
A squad that couldn't make a tackle in 2001/02?
Players who stood and watch embarrassing Chris Marsdens run pending the home defeat 1-3 to Southampton?
Premier League squad that goes 0-4 to Bolton at half time in the clubs most important game of the season?
Premier League squad that lost 0-3 to Grimsby and left us near the relegation season?
Premier League squad of primadonnas.
If anything Joe made them play again and repaired the mess. Moreover if we had kept Ambrose and Hreidarsson and didn't have to sell them for peanuts we might have finished in the top 6.
So you see? These are the facts but you'll keep defying them as you always do. [Post edited 12 Jul 2020 20:09]
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:08 - Jul 12 with 534 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 19:59 - Jul 12 by Bluefish |
which ones? |
Do you expect me to copy one of my previous posts just because you aren't interested to read what I said? | | | |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:09 - Jul 12 with 528 views | Herbivore |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:07 - Jul 12 by Mach_foreignBlue |
What Premier League squad?
A squad that couldn't make a tackle in 2001/02?
Players who stood and watch embarrassing Chris Marsdens run pending the home defeat 1-3 to Southampton?
Premier League squad that goes 0-4 to Bolton at half time in the clubs most important game of the season?
Premier League squad that lost 0-3 to Grimsby and left us near the relegation season?
Premier League squad of primadonnas.
If anything Joe made them play again and repaired the mess. Moreover if we had kept Ambrose and Hreidarsson and didn't have to sell them for peanuts we might have finished in the top 6.
So you see? These are the facts but you'll keep defying them as you always do. [Post edited 12 Jul 2020 20:09]
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Quite a lot of the things you've said aren't facts, they're opinions. | |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:29 - Jul 12 with 510 views | SpruceMoose |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 20:09 - Jul 12 by Herbivore |
Quite a lot of the things you've said aren't facts, they're opinions. |
And that there is the main reason why so many people get the hump on here - the inability to differentiate between feelings and facts. |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:08 - Jul 12 with 493 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 19:14 - Jul 12 by Mach_foreignBlue |
What 'embarrassment of riches' did he have? Do you mean that bunch of softies who couldn't make a tackle in 2001/02?
He made them play again.
mccarthy was a dinosaur not Joe. mccarthy lost one player in Murphy and we only finished 4 points of the relegation. Joe had lost 4 key players after 2004/05 and we could have been easily relegated in the following season with a different manager in charge. |
The squad Royle inherited included the following:
Fabian Wilnis, John McGreal, Mark Venus, Jim Magilton, Matt Holland, Pablo Counago, Alun Armstrong, Richard Naylor, Jermaine Wright, Marcus Bent, Darren Bent, Tommy Miller, Thomas Gaardsoe, Darren Ambrose and Martijn Reuser. And that’s before considering some of the other youngsters coming through like Westlake and Richards
The squad Mick McCarthy inherited had Aaron Cresswell, Tommy Smith, Daryl Murphy, DJ Campbell and err, that’s about it (I would include Luke Chambers but you’ve made it clear he’s the worst player in history so you would presumably not count him). It had no recognised right back, 2 centre backs, about 17 loanees who didn’t give a f*ck and Paul Taylor
It’s funny how you are so keen to focus on that one season under Mick all the time rather than the other ones isn’t it? |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:11 - Jul 12 with 489 views | SpruceMoose |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:08 - Jul 12 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The squad Royle inherited included the following:
Fabian Wilnis, John McGreal, Mark Venus, Jim Magilton, Matt Holland, Pablo Counago, Alun Armstrong, Richard Naylor, Jermaine Wright, Marcus Bent, Darren Bent, Tommy Miller, Thomas Gaardsoe, Darren Ambrose and Martijn Reuser. And that’s before considering some of the other youngsters coming through like Westlake and Richards
The squad Mick McCarthy inherited had Aaron Cresswell, Tommy Smith, Daryl Murphy, DJ Campbell and err, that’s about it (I would include Luke Chambers but you’ve made it clear he’s the worst player in history so you would presumably not count him). It had no recognised right back, 2 centre backs, about 17 loanees who didn’t give a f*ck and Paul Taylor
It’s funny how you are so keen to focus on that one season under Mick all the time rather than the other ones isn’t it? |
I still can't read the name of Thomas Gaardsoe without feeling half rage half heartbreak. I loved that man. | |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:20 - Jul 12 with 481 views | midastouch |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:11 - Jul 12 by SpruceMoose |
I still can't read the name of Thomas Gaardsoe without feeling half rage half heartbreak. I loved that man. |
And going back a little further, Claus Thomsen was another decent Dane for us. He was one of our better players at that time if my suspect memory serves me right. |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:30 - Jul 12 with 466 views | SpruceMoose |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:20 - Jul 12 by midastouch |
And going back a little further, Claus Thomsen was another decent Dane for us. He was one of our better players at that time if my suspect memory serves me right. |
Ended up at Everton didn't he? Now widely considered to be, I believe, one of their worst ever players! | |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:55 - Jul 12 with 445 views | jaykay |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 19:38 - Jul 12 by SpruceMoose |
Oh Mach. This is just rewriting history. |
he did lose gaardsoe , venus , holland and hreioarsson that second year so mach is correct there. unless my memory is failing as well as it might be  |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 10:15 - Jul 13 with 395 views | midastouch |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:30 - Jul 12 by SpruceMoose |
Ended up at Everton didn't he? Now widely considered to be, I believe, one of their worst ever players! |
Let's just say I think he was better for us than them. They paid £900k for him according to Wikipedia. That said, a lot of people (players and managers) tend to flop at Everton, remember Mike Walker! :-) | |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 10:35 - Jul 13 with 367 views | rickw |
Joe did a good job here - losing our Premier League players and only able to replace them with lower league freebies or our own youth players, yet we continued to push for promotion.
He'd be an ideal DoF here sadly though I don't think we're an option for him, he retired to move back close to his family in the north west and that's where he's stayed - I can't imagine that's changed too much |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 10:44 - Jul 13 with 366 views | clive_baker |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 21:08 - Jul 12 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The squad Royle inherited included the following:
Fabian Wilnis, John McGreal, Mark Venus, Jim Magilton, Matt Holland, Pablo Counago, Alun Armstrong, Richard Naylor, Jermaine Wright, Marcus Bent, Darren Bent, Tommy Miller, Thomas Gaardsoe, Darren Ambrose and Martijn Reuser. And that’s before considering some of the other youngsters coming through like Westlake and Richards
The squad Mick McCarthy inherited had Aaron Cresswell, Tommy Smith, Daryl Murphy, DJ Campbell and err, that’s about it (I would include Luke Chambers but you’ve made it clear he’s the worst player in history so you would presumably not count him). It had no recognised right back, 2 centre backs, about 17 loanees who didn’t give a f*ck and Paul Taylor
It’s funny how you are so keen to focus on that one season under Mick all the time rather than the other ones isn’t it? |
I've been thinking about this, and there's no doubt that squad JR inherited had some serious talent, but unfortunately we were quite far adrift when he came in, sitting in 17th, so it was an uphill battle to challenge for promotion that season, albeit we did close the gap to 7th and a narrowly missed out on the playoffs. It's important to remember we went into administration only 2 months after he came in, so in that respects it's a little misleading to take the squad he inherited and apply it to his subsequent success, as that wasn't the hand he was really dealt.
It's probably fairer to look at the squad he started the following season with, which still had a lot of good players of course, but given the circumstances we downgraded in certain areas, such as losing Holland and Gaardsoe and replacing him with Diallo. That was also a very competitive division that year, to finish on the same points as West Ham given the squad they had for example was a good achievement. Of course you could argue they under performed. I think Royle did well to steer us through such an uncertain time that got harder by the year. Certainly with a young Bent up front and Kuqi next to him that really was our time to bounce back, and it still annoys me that Wigan pipped us the following season because we really were class that year. By the time the following season started we were every bit a 2nd tier squad both on paper and on grass. My nervousness about our current plight is that we see the same, albeit at a league lower. Once the Downes, KVY and Woolfendens are replaced with Hyam's and Wilson's we're in trouble.
On balance I do think there's an argument that Mick did a better job than Royle, given the hands they were dealt. Mick had some misses in the transfer market but all things considered he worked wonders to bring in the likes of Murphy, McGoldrick, Chambers, Berra, Bart, Mings, Hunt, Garner, Waghorn, Webster for next to nothing by way of fees. Had we cashed in on those 10 at the optimum time (not saying we should have) we're probably talking £30m+ worth of income there. |  |
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| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 12:46 - Jul 13 with 335 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Joe Royal would be interested in a return to football on 10:44 - Jul 13 by clive_baker |
I've been thinking about this, and there's no doubt that squad JR inherited had some serious talent, but unfortunately we were quite far adrift when he came in, sitting in 17th, so it was an uphill battle to challenge for promotion that season, albeit we did close the gap to 7th and a narrowly missed out on the playoffs. It's important to remember we went into administration only 2 months after he came in, so in that respects it's a little misleading to take the squad he inherited and apply it to his subsequent success, as that wasn't the hand he was really dealt.
It's probably fairer to look at the squad he started the following season with, which still had a lot of good players of course, but given the circumstances we downgraded in certain areas, such as losing Holland and Gaardsoe and replacing him with Diallo. That was also a very competitive division that year, to finish on the same points as West Ham given the squad they had for example was a good achievement. Of course you could argue they under performed. I think Royle did well to steer us through such an uncertain time that got harder by the year. Certainly with a young Bent up front and Kuqi next to him that really was our time to bounce back, and it still annoys me that Wigan pipped us the following season because we really were class that year. By the time the following season started we were every bit a 2nd tier squad both on paper and on grass. My nervousness about our current plight is that we see the same, albeit at a league lower. Once the Downes, KVY and Woolfendens are replaced with Hyam's and Wilson's we're in trouble.
On balance I do think there's an argument that Mick did a better job than Royle, given the hands they were dealt. Mick had some misses in the transfer market but all things considered he worked wonders to bring in the likes of Murphy, McGoldrick, Chambers, Berra, Bart, Mings, Hunt, Garner, Waghorn, Webster for next to nothing by way of fees. Had we cashed in on those 10 at the optimum time (not saying we should have) we're probably talking £30m+ worth of income there. |
To be clear I wasn’t the one arguing McCarthy was better, I was just responding to Mach’s rather absurd comment that Royle didn’t inherit a strong squad. If I was pushed I would say there is little to choose between them - both did well in fairly trying circumstances and whilst Royle did achieve some higher finishes I do think he had more at his disposal
I do think promotion was achievable the year he took over though. There was still c3/4’s of the season left and the gap to the playoffs was 9 points (8 if we won our game in hand over 5th placed Watford). It’s difficult to be too critical at us climbing the table back to 7th, but at the same time I do think there was still an opportunity there | |
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