| Palace monitoring Downes 08:18 - Jul 18 with 5554 views | itfcjoe |
https://theathletic.com/1927673/2020/07/18/crystal-palace-younger-squad-kotchap-
Central midfielder Flynn Downes is also a target. The 21-year-old fits that criteria of up-and-coming talent, and has been monitored for some time having been one of Ipswich’s star players in League One this season. Ipswich are believed to be holding out for a fee in the region of £4 million for the England Under-20 international, who started 31 games for them this season. [Post edited 18 Jul 2020 8:22]
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 15:57 - Jul 18 with 1480 views | Garv |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:57 - Jul 18 by Herbivore |
No they're buying him because he's a young player with potential. Whether he is good enough for the Prem or not we don't yet know. £4m for a midfielder playing in a mid table League 1 side is decent business. Think we're dreaming if we think we can get more than that. |
I think mentioning the fact he is playing in a mid table League One side doesn't back up your point. We're led to believe, and I imagine most of us support the view, that he is our best player and one of the best midfielders in the league Us finishing 11th (via PPG I'll add) isn't all that relevant.
Besides, how long did we spend in that area of the table? We spent the majority of the season in the top two or three or worst in the play offs, and had a dramatic dip. |  |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 19:00 - Jul 18 with 1441 views | Herbivore |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 15:57 - Jul 18 by Garv |
I think mentioning the fact he is playing in a mid table League One side doesn't back up your point. We're led to believe, and I imagine most of us support the view, that he is our best player and one of the best midfielders in the league Us finishing 11th (via PPG I'll add) isn't all that relevant.
Besides, how long did we spend in that area of the table? We spent the majority of the season in the top two or three or worst in the play offs, and had a dramatic dip. |
We finished mid table, where we deserved to finish based on our performances over the season. Downes was good for us but was he outstanding every week? Did he look the best player on the pitch in every game? No, not even close to that. I rate him highly but thinking £4m is undervaluing him at this point is a bit delusional. |  |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 20:55 - Jul 18 with 1412 views | itfcjoe |
Spoke to a good Palace contact, apparently they think he’s worth £2m | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:12 - Jul 19 with 1342 views | Garv |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 19:00 - Jul 18 by Herbivore |
We finished mid table, where we deserved to finish based on our performances over the season. Downes was good for us but was he outstanding every week? Did he look the best player on the pitch in every game? No, not even close to that. I rate him highly but thinking £4m is undervaluing him at this point is a bit delusional. |
I accept that, but my points are; a) PPG is not and never was the perfect way to decide a season, because there wasn't a perfect way without actually playing. So it's quite possible we would have finished higher (or lower) than 11th. And b) using that finishing spot to ascertain whether a player is good enough or not to join a bigger club isn't really fair.
I'd also say that yes he was one of if not the best player for us most weeks, and in some cases the best on the pitch. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:33 - Jul 19 with 1328 views | Herbivore |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:12 - Jul 19 by Garv |
I accept that, but my points are; a) PPG is not and never was the perfect way to decide a season, because there wasn't a perfect way without actually playing. So it's quite possible we would have finished higher (or lower) than 11th. And b) using that finishing spot to ascertain whether a player is good enough or not to join a bigger club isn't really fair.
I'd also say that yes he was one of if not the best player for us most weeks, and in some cases the best on the pitch. |
Given our form when lockdown happened I'd say finishing lower than we did was the more likely outcome, but it's rather moot as we'd been a midtable side at best for about 4-5 months before the season ended early. Being the best player in a midtable League 1 side whilst occasionally bossing games - notably very rarely the big games - and looking a class above everyone else on the pitch doesn't make you worth more than £4m. We need to be more realistic. If we get £4m for him we'll have done pretty well. What would you see as a fair price? | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:38 - Jul 19 with 1325 views | Dennyx4 |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 20:55 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
Spoke to a good Palace contact, apparently they think he’s worth £2m |
I guess it is a very low risk purchase at £2m, but from our point of view, not really worth selling at that price.
With Downes an Engalnd u21 - there aren't many available to purchase especially in the low millions.
Again links to the fact that most clubs in League 1 are desperate for money at present. |  | | |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:40 - Jul 19 with 1320 views | Herbivore |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:38 - Jul 19 by Dennyx4 |
I guess it is a very low risk purchase at £2m, but from our point of view, not really worth selling at that price.
With Downes an Engalnd u21 - there aren't many available to purchase especially in the low millions.
Again links to the fact that most clubs in League 1 are desperate for money at present. |
Don't think Downes has had a call up to England u-21s as yet. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:41 - Jul 19 with 1314 views | Dennyx4 |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:40 - Jul 19 by Herbivore |
Don't think Downes has had a call up to England u-21s as yet. |
Was it U20's? | | | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:43 - Jul 19 with 1313 views | Garv |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:33 - Jul 19 by Herbivore |
Given our form when lockdown happened I'd say finishing lower than we did was the more likely outcome, but it's rather moot as we'd been a midtable side at best for about 4-5 months before the season ended early. Being the best player in a midtable League 1 side whilst occasionally bossing games - notably very rarely the big games - and looking a class above everyone else on the pitch doesn't make you worth more than £4m. We need to be more realistic. If we get £4m for him we'll have done pretty well. What would you see as a fair price? |
Mid table side for 4-5 months? I don't know how you've worked that out, unless we're doing that thing where we pretend the first two/three months of the season didn't happen.
I can understand the view that we were more likely to fall further, but the simple fact is we don't know. Form is form, it goes up and down. We lost 5-3 on December 29th and then went and had a pretty good month in January. Our run in was also pretty favourable on paper.
I'd be hoping for £5M+. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:44 - Jul 19 with 1306 views | Herbivore |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:41 - Jul 19 by Dennyx4 |
Was it U20's? |
Think so, which despite only being a year out is a much lower standard by and large as the best 18-20 year olds will be in the u-21 squad. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:51 - Jul 19 with 1298 views | Herbivore |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:43 - Jul 19 by Garv |
Mid table side for 4-5 months? I don't know how you've worked that out, unless we're doing that thing where we pretend the first two/three months of the season didn't happen.
I can understand the view that we were more likely to fall further, but the simple fact is we don't know. Form is form, it goes up and down. We lost 5-3 on December 29th and then went and had a pretty good month in January. Our run in was also pretty favourable on paper.
I'd be hoping for £5M+. |
Yes, for 4 or 5 months. From the 1st of November to when the season was ended we were 17th in the form table having played 22 games in that time. From the 1st of October we're 15th from 26 games.
The first two months of the season did happen but to think they were nothing other than a blip at this point looks delusional. Take out our strong first 11 games and we were lower midtable for more than two thirds of the season thereafter. There's no getting away from that. You can keep hanging on to the fact we picked up good results 10 months ago but it's rather clutching at straws.
And the notion we would have gone on a good run at the end is highly speculative when you look at the preceding month and the season from early October onwards generally. Our poor form wasn't poor form, it was the norm for us for most of the season.
I don't see £5m plus being remotely realistic for Downes off the back of the season he's had. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:05 - Jul 19 with 1285 views | Ace_High1 |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 20:55 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
Spoke to a good Palace contact, apparently they think he’s worth £2m |
Thanks for that, much more realistic and towards what I would expect, although I reckon it will be lower plus add ons.
As others have said, sadly for a CM he does not score or create enough so will not attract a larger fee, and we are the selling club and we never get top fees for our younger players.
Woolfenden will be around £1m I would imagine. |  | | |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:07 - Jul 19 with 1282 views | BryanPlug |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 20:55 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
Spoke to a good Palace contact, apparently they think he’s worth £2m |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:16 - Jul 19 with 1255 views | Herbivore |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:05 - Jul 19 by Ace_High1 |
Thanks for that, much more realistic and towards what I would expect, although I reckon it will be lower plus add ons.
As others have said, sadly for a CM he does not score or create enough so will not attract a larger fee, and we are the selling club and we never get top fees for our younger players.
Woolfenden will be around £1m I would imagine. |
Which of our youngsters do you think we've under sold? Last really big home grown talent we sold was probably Connor Wickham and we got too whack for him. The money we got for Mings was good too, though he wasn't home grown. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:28 - Jul 19 with 1254 views | Garv |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:51 - Jul 19 by Herbivore |
Yes, for 4 or 5 months. From the 1st of November to when the season was ended we were 17th in the form table having played 22 games in that time. From the 1st of October we're 15th from 26 games.
The first two months of the season did happen but to think they were nothing other than a blip at this point looks delusional. Take out our strong first 11 games and we were lower midtable for more than two thirds of the season thereafter. There's no getting away from that. You can keep hanging on to the fact we picked up good results 10 months ago but it's rather clutching at straws.
And the notion we would have gone on a good run at the end is highly speculative when you look at the preceding month and the season from early October onwards generally. Our poor form wasn't poor form, it was the norm for us for most of the season.
I don't see £5m plus being remotely realistic for Downes off the back of the season he's had. |
So we are pretending the first two/three months didn't happen then. If so, I can't argue with you.
I'm also not sure why 10 months is relevant but if it helps make your point then fair enough. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:53 - Jul 19 with 1238 views | Herbivore |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 13:28 - Jul 19 by Garv |
So we are pretending the first two/three months didn't happen then. If so, I can't argue with you.
I'm also not sure why 10 months is relevant but if it helps make your point then fair enough. |
They happened. A very long time ago. And we've been a lower midtable side ever since, for well over half a season. But all of that is largely irrelevant to your unrealistic appraisal of Downes' value. | |
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| Palace monitoring Downes on 12:45 - Jul 20 with 1173 views | Libero |
| Palace monitoring Downes on 20:55 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
Spoke to a good Palace contact, apparently they think he’s worth £2m |
Christ, that really would be cr@p to lose him for a pittance like that. |  | | |
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