| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... 09:35 - Nov 13 with 4321 views | Dubtractor |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:08 - Nov 13 with 812 views | BlueBadger |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 10:50 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
True. Behind the scenes be most likely will say things a little more direct. It wouldn't be at all positive to berate youngsters publically when they are in the process of adapting. Even for the first team we can't forget we've got youngsters involved and they don't have to be u18 to be seen as young. It's young in experience and this could be a Bishop playing football on a regular basis after many years of injury etc.
We've seen in certain parts of games we up the tempo and everything looks positive.. it'll take time for it to happen over 90 minutes. |
He's been in charge two years. The time to start his 'long term plan' was when he had his 'free hit' during relegation when we still had a number of advantages over the rest of the division.
The fact that now he's implementing a 'long term plan' stinks of yet more opportunism and 'will this do' by both Lambert and Evans. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:13 - Nov 13 with 806 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:08 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Sorry but you can't compare the time periods.
Lambert came in after Hurst and took on a bloody awful squad. Not just first 11 but the squad he inherited was shocking. With no funds to replace.
We also at the time of those you mention had the likes of scowcroft. Dyer. Bent. Ambrose etc coming through the youths.
They also inherited talented players already in the squad l
Lambert came in at the worse time than any of our last managers over 20 years. Inherited the worst squad in over 20 years with the least amount of investment available in those 20 years. ( Wages or transfer funds) |
Take a look at what Magilton inherited. |  | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:15 - Nov 13 with 801 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:08 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
He's been in charge two years. The time to start his 'long term plan' was when he had his 'free hit' during relegation when we still had a number of advantages over the rest of the division.
The fact that now he's implementing a 'long term plan' stinks of yet more opportunism and 'will this do' by both Lambert and Evans. |
Tbf it started when he took over. There want much he could have done with that season and he concentrated on certain things... Getting the fans onside. Community links going etc.
All I'm saying is imagine taking on a club where 80% of the players available aren't good enough for championship some not even league 1. With no finances available.
I'm not sure what people expect for the club Tbh without investment. And not sure what Lambert is expected to do without one and having to work with what he has.
I'm.not saying he does take mistakes. I had judge uptop sometimes. And Jackson on his own etc..
But if it's for the greater good and trying to keep to a shape and style that he hopes will flourish in the years to come. Then I'm all for. Abit of frustration. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:18 - Nov 13 with 790 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:13 - Nov 13 by tractorboy1978 |
Take a look at what Magilton inherited. |
Erm. We paid an extreme amount of wages to bring in dos Santos for example under magailton.
He paid 2.5 mill for Norris. Jim spent a lot of money.
We are now loaning players from league 1 clubs. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:18 - Nov 13 with 790 views | BlueBadger |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:08 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Sorry but you can't compare the time periods.
Lambert came in after Hurst and took on a bloody awful squad. Not just first 11 but the squad he inherited was shocking. With no funds to replace.
We also at the time of those you mention had the likes of scowcroft. Dyer. Bent. Ambrose etc coming through the youths.
They also inherited talented players already in the squad l
Lambert came in at the worse time than any of our last managers over 20 years. Inherited the worst squad in over 20 years with the least amount of investment available in those 20 years. ( Wages or transfer funds) |
Lambert inherited a squad who's core was more than capable of competing at this level and had decent players coming though. Arguably more than Burley did - Burley inherited an ageing, demoralised group of players. Of the three young players you've named there, only Scowcroft at 19 was really up to regular first team football. Dyer was 15 in 1995/96(the season Scowcroft made his debut). Bent was 11.
And frankly, none of this excuses Lamberts failure to do any of this sooner. He could and should have been implementing his 'vision' from the word go.
Instead he's faffed about with lineups, systems, loanees and PR gimmicks.
With the wage cap looming he's going to be left with his ability as a coach and tactical nous to win us games rather than a generous-for-the-division budget and the goodwill of fans.
We will go nowhere other than backwards under him. The man is a busted flush and a fraud. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:21 - Nov 13 with 776 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:18 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Erm. We paid an extreme amount of wages to bring in dos Santos for example under magailton.
He paid 2.5 mill for Norris. Jim spent a lot of money.
We are now loaning players from league 1 clubs. |
Magilton barely had a pot to piss in for his first 2 years and markedly improved the pretty poor squad he inherited from Royle (not Royle's fault). We were on the fringes of admin again before Evans came in. He didn't have £20k a week to jizz on Colin Quaner's wages. | | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:22 - Nov 13 with 774 views | flettonblue |
Feels like some limited off the field progress has been made,though starting from a completely unloved cash starved position that had continuously deteriorated under Evans tenure till the drop into div 3.
On the field, don't think so.
In the stands, more coordinated and positive towards the team. Again from a lowbase2 years ago.
Bit of a non article, hardly going to say things haven't improved is he. |  | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:23 - Nov 13 with 769 views | BlueBadger |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:18 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Erm. We paid an extreme amount of wages to bring in dos Santos for example under magailton.
He paid 2.5 mill for Norris. Jim spent a lot of money.
We are now loaning players from league 1 clubs. |
That's some spectacular revisionism there. All of Magilton's big money signings came in he wake of the Evans takeover. Prior to that, he'd been making do on the sort of budgets Joe Royle had. Without the benefit of the remnants of Burley's 2000-2002 teams that Role had.
Dos Santo, who you're citing as an example there came in about 3 weeks before Magilton was sacked. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:24 - Nov 13 with 769 views | Beckets |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:18 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
Lambert inherited a squad who's core was more than capable of competing at this level and had decent players coming though. Arguably more than Burley did - Burley inherited an ageing, demoralised group of players. Of the three young players you've named there, only Scowcroft at 19 was really up to regular first team football. Dyer was 15 in 1995/96(the season Scowcroft made his debut). Bent was 11.
And frankly, none of this excuses Lamberts failure to do any of this sooner. He could and should have been implementing his 'vision' from the word go.
Instead he's faffed about with lineups, systems, loanees and PR gimmicks.
With the wage cap looming he's going to be left with his ability as a coach and tactical nous to win us games rather than a generous-for-the-division budget and the goodwill of fans.
We will go nowhere other than backwards under him. The man is a busted flush and a fraud. |
Very well put. I’d also add lack of bravery in his decision making e.g how can I shoehorn Judge into the team and playing Edwards wide right to play Sears wide left. Both instead of nurturing young players. |  | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:25 - Nov 13 with 762 views | BlueBadger |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:21 - Nov 13 by tractorboy1978 |
Magilton barely had a pot to piss in for his first 2 years and markedly improved the pretty poor squad he inherited from Royle (not Royle's fault). We were on the fringes of admin again before Evans came in. He didn't have £20k a week to jizz on Colin Quaner's wages. |
Neither did Magilton ever enjoy uncritical support of large sections of the fans. Even from the word go the mumblings were that he was the cheap option. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:25 - Nov 13 with 761 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:21 - Nov 13 by tractorboy1978 |
Magilton barely had a pot to piss in for his first 2 years and markedly improved the pretty poor squad he inherited from Royle (not Royle's fault). We were on the fringes of admin again before Evans came in. He didn't have £20k a week to jizz on Colin Quaner's wages. |
He had the likes of de vos. Naylor. Bruce. Matt Richards.
He brought in David Wright He also signed Walters.
Hanes. Peters. Williams. Garvan. Roberts. Currie. Bowditch. Trotter. Jeffers. Were also part of that squad.
He brought in legwinski which was a touch of brilliance. [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 11:40]
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:30 - Nov 13 with 756 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
The club had been knocked back by Hurst, a player told me themselves they felt as if Hurst had set the club back 5 years, probably a little OTT.
I could handle going down, I didn't and don't that blame at Lambert.
Last year was very very poor ultimately.
Things have changed over the summer, and this year is his final exam shall we say, and only promotion would be a PASS from myself.
Listen, we are second, we are moving at 2 PPG right, and we will take that all year. Lets stick by the team, as previously stated, lets not want it to go wrong, lets wait for it, and this season in isolation, it hasn't gone wrong yet. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:36 - Nov 13 with 737 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:25 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
He had the likes of de vos. Naylor. Bruce. Matt Richards.
He brought in David Wright He also signed Walters.
Hanes. Peters. Williams. Garvan. Roberts. Currie. Bowditch. Trotter. Jeffers. Were also part of that squad.
He brought in legwinski which was a touch of brilliance. [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 11:40]
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You are kind of proving my point - he did a great job of wheeling and dealing and coached the young players he did inherit well, getting the most out of them. Look at the careers of Garvan, Haynes, Richards, Carson, Clarke, Peters after they left Town - done virtually nothing.
And he had a good eye for a player - Bruce was a free, Legwinski was a free, Roberts cost us virtually nothing (our team bus was part of the deal), Wright cost us virtually nothing, Walters was £100k and was sold for £3m. Dan Harding was a swap deal for Westlake. He managed to get Noble on loan. | | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:39 - Nov 13 with 722 views | BlueBadger |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:25 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
He had the likes of de vos. Naylor. Bruce. Matt Richards.
He brought in David Wright He also signed Walters.
Hanes. Peters. Williams. Garvan. Roberts. Currie. Bowditch. Trotter. Jeffers. Were also part of that squad.
He brought in legwinski which was a touch of brilliance. [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 11:40]
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Lambert also inherited players more than capable of doing a job at Championship level.
Chambers, Skuse, Knudsen, Sears. He had arguably the best keeper in the division in Bialkowski.
He brought in Will Keane and Colin Quaner. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:41 - Nov 13 with 719 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:05 - Nov 13 by tractorboy1978 |
But the reality is we HAVE to get out of this division NOW. League 1 is not the base to start building a long term project or implementing a 5 year plan from. COVID and the subsequent salary cap has sped up the rate at which this division is drifting away from the bottom end of the Championship. And one look at our contract situation at the end of this season tells you we will be starting from scratch again in the summer if we don't go up. |
I haven't said anything about starting the building now. It should be already happening, since Lambert came in. I agree we need to get up this season and if we don't Lambert should be gone.
It's worth remembering other big names have taken longer to get back than this. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:42 - Nov 13 with 728 views | itfcjoe |
He's probably just about right, but the issue it has taken us 2 years to get where we should have got in 1 and that extra year languishing couldn't have come at a worse time |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:43 - Nov 13 with 717 views | BlueBadger |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:15 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbf it started when he took over. There want much he could have done with that season and he concentrated on certain things... Getting the fans onside. Community links going etc.
All I'm saying is imagine taking on a club where 80% of the players available aren't good enough for championship some not even league 1. With no finances available.
I'm not sure what people expect for the club Tbh without investment. And not sure what Lambert is expected to do without one and having to work with what he has.
I'm.not saying he does take mistakes. I had judge uptop sometimes. And Jackson on his own etc..
But if it's for the greater good and trying to keep to a shape and style that he hopes will flourish in the years to come. Then I'm all for. Abit of frustration. |
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the endless parade of short term contracts, loans, chopping and changing of systems was some kind of master plan?
'I'm not sure what people expect for the club Tbh without investment'
What we saw from Royle, Magilton and McCarthy - good coaching, good scouting and astute 'on a budget' signings.
Lambert has done none of that, he's done a lot of PR flannel and self-aggrandisement though. [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 15:23]
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:46 - Nov 13 with 707 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:36 - Nov 13 by tractorboy1978 |
You are kind of proving my point - he did a great job of wheeling and dealing and coached the young players he did inherit well, getting the most out of them. Look at the careers of Garvan, Haynes, Richards, Carson, Clarke, Peters after they left Town - done virtually nothing.
And he had a good eye for a player - Bruce was a free, Legwinski was a free, Roberts cost us virtually nothing (our team bus was part of the deal), Wright cost us virtually nothing, Walters was £100k and was sold for £3m. Dan Harding was a swap deal for Westlake. He managed to get Noble on loan. |
But we re not comparing managers we re comparing the timing of said managers coming in and the squads they inherited.
Magilton didn't inherit a club ripped apart by Hurst and at the time getting players to Ipswich was never a problem if you had the wage to cover it we were still a relative bigger fish in the league.
I liked Jim and I was gutted he was sacked.. but the club he inherited despite the admin. Was still in better shape when he took over than what PL took over from Hurst. Even more so now as football is all about the money now. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:52 - Nov 13 with 693 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:18 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
Lambert inherited a squad who's core was more than capable of competing at this level and had decent players coming though. Arguably more than Burley did - Burley inherited an ageing, demoralised group of players. Of the three young players you've named there, only Scowcroft at 19 was really up to regular first team football. Dyer was 15 in 1995/96(the season Scowcroft made his debut). Bent was 11.
And frankly, none of this excuses Lamberts failure to do any of this sooner. He could and should have been implementing his 'vision' from the word go.
Instead he's faffed about with lineups, systems, loanees and PR gimmicks.
With the wage cap looming he's going to be left with his ability as a coach and tactical nous to win us games rather than a generous-for-the-division budget and the goodwill of fans.
We will go nowhere other than backwards under him. The man is a busted flush and a fraud. |
You're right, he should've been implementing his 'vision' from the word go but I imagine the pressing concern from ME was Championship survival.
Whilst Evans has put in a lot of money, the issues we face now are hugely influenced by him even if the manager carries the can mostly. I honestly don't think if we just swap Lambert for A.N.Other our problems will just disappear, and I'd hope you and others are intelligent enough to see that as well. Lambert might not be right but he's far from the only problem.
I don't think the PR thing was a gimmick. It needed to happen, bringing the club together. Unfortunately that's all he's managed so far. I genuinely don't think he's a fraud. I think this is a very, very tough job. Which maybe he isn't up to. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:52 - Nov 13 with 694 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:39 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
Lambert also inherited players more than capable of doing a job at Championship level.
Chambers, Skuse, Knudsen, Sears. He had arguably the best keeper in the division in Bialkowski.
He brought in Will Keane and Colin Quaner. |
Not really helpful when your starting relegation certainty.
Knudsen was off and had no interest in helping
Sears hasn't been sears for years let's be honest.
Bart was although what ever burst did to him hurt him he was never the same for us after that.
Chambers and skuse.. always mixed thoughts on this forum. Alot said they were past it for championship football. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:58 - Nov 13 with 676 views | BlueBadger |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:52 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really helpful when your starting relegation certainty.
Knudsen was off and had no interest in helping
Sears hasn't been sears for years let's be honest.
Bart was although what ever burst did to him hurt him he was never the same for us after that.
Chambers and skuse.. always mixed thoughts on this forum. Alot said they were past it for championship football. |
And again, we're back to Burley. He was on a hiding to nothing coming in and transformed a demoralised ageing rabble in a unified team playing terrific football that very nearly achieved a playoff place.
Lest we forget, many people at the time forecast a further relegation struggle for ITFC in 95/96, unlike us last season in which we were mainly tipped for promotion, if not to win the division outright. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:58 - Nov 13 with 671 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:39 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
Lambert also inherited players more than capable of doing a job at Championship level.
Chambers, Skuse, Knudsen, Sears. He had arguably the best keeper in the division in Bialkowski.
He brought in Will Keane and Colin Quaner. |
You know why he brought in those two don't you? As my mate said to me before they came in - we're so far adrift, who's going to want to come here?
We were sadly left with the dregs. Your anger should be more directed at Hurst, albeit he's not here now to direct it at. He's the one who fecked us up. Some people seem to have forgotten that. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:09 - Nov 13 with 646 views | Dubtractor |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 10:38 - Nov 13 by PhilTWTD |
Just a little frustating when we've written stories to have ones using the same quotes from elsewhere posted on here. |
Hadn't seen the original story on here tbf - odd that the EADT are running effectively the same story a week later? | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:11 - Nov 13 with 639 views | Dubtractor |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:25 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
He had the likes of de vos. Naylor. Bruce. Matt Richards.
He brought in David Wright He also signed Walters.
Hanes. Peters. Williams. Garvan. Roberts. Currie. Bowditch. Trotter. Jeffers. Were also part of that squad.
He brought in legwinski which was a touch of brilliance. [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 11:40]
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You've just listed a load of mostly lower league standard players, for whom ITFC was their career highpoint.
What point are you making here? | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:25 - Nov 13 with 613 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:11 - Nov 13 by Dubtractor |
You've just listed a load of mostly lower league standard players, for whom ITFC was their career highpoint.
What point are you making here? |
That at the time magilton had a solid enough side to work with and bring players into.
.we already had alan Lee too.
Much more than Lambert had at his disposal. | |
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