| The case for Lambert 00:51 - Nov 24 with 4406 views | Chocorange |
We are third in the table.
We have a way of playing that runs through every team at the club, an identity is being built, we will get better the more we play it (and see point 4 , below regarding first choice players. )
We were very unlucky with decisions against us away to Lincoln and away to Sunderland , could easily have had 3 more points than we have .
We have a number of injuries , saturday we lost Nolan and bishop injured to add to a not fully fit Norwood , injured top scorer Gwion , injured right back Vincent Young which in turn impacts central defence and Dozzell suspended .. thats 6 players from what is arguably our first choice team.
We have already seen MM hounded out for results football, ( and look where that got us) yet at the moment we ‘fans ‘ seem to want to hound out another manager gettin results ... yes it was a rubbish finish To last season, it does not mean it will be this season.
We outplayed Sunderland from 30 minutes on, including with ten men, and we had a right go at Pompey with our reserves against their 1st team , beaten only by an offside goal.
I am not a happy clapper, and heaven knows I can’t see why Sears is picked .... but let’s be positive, if it goes right , enjoy the ride ...if it goes wrong , we can criticise then and Lambert will be gone , but for now let’s do what it says on the supporters tin..and support.
Is it really that important to be able to say I told you so...if it does go wrong ?
Wouldn’t it be great to say i told you so when we get promoted?
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| Indeed, I want us to win..... on 13:31 - Nov 24 with 1104 views | Herbivore |
| Indeed, I want us to win..... on 13:28 - Nov 24 by SuperCoops |
"old gits like me struggle to accept our demise."
I'm not sure how old you are, I'm probably close to that category too but I do think that is an element of the problem. People still think of us batting away in the Premier League, even winning the UEFA Cup (added by the reminder on the current kit).
Sadly, we're a world away from that. McCarthy contributed that, in my eyes Hurst had a massive impact on that and Lambert hasn't done to change that much either.
Bring back John Duncan! |
Lambert is the one who ultimately took us down without a fight and finished 11th in League 1. If we're handing out blame for our demise he's got to be pretty high on the list rather than simply not doing much to change it. |  |
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| The case for Lambert on 13:33 - Nov 24 with 1098 views | SomethingBlue |
| The case for Lambert on 13:29 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
But the way we do it is so slow, predictable and ponderous that it can't really be described as an effective style. Actually, Burley's sides weren't averse to pinging a direct ball out to Scowie on the right whilst largely playing a passing game. But those sides played with pace and purpose as well and had a very clear way of playing and observable patterns of play.
I just don't see that with us at all. In fact I'm not even sure that how we've played in the last 6 games looks the same as how we played in the first 6 games, even if we've stuck with the same 4-3-3 formation. I know you're trying to stay positive but I'm really struggling to see any cause for optimism based on how we're playing. |
There are times that variation has worked for us — I'm thinking Edwards' second goal against Blackpool, the winner on Saturday, there are probably a couple of others. Completely agree we do not, in general, operate with enough pace and purpose beyond a few spells in a game and with the players we have it needs to be better. Devil's advocate: I'm not really sure who else does at this level.
If today and Saturday go badly then I'm fully behind making a change, FWIW. If they don't and we're top of the league then I fail to see what the point would be. So let's see how it plays out. |  |
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| The case for Lambert on 13:35 - Nov 24 with 1094 views | itfcjoe |
| The case for Lambert on 13:15 - Nov 24 by Garv |
100% both. We've done both fairly regularly during the season.
We've got a lot better at this this season compared to last. We won the game (eventually) on Saturday by doing it. Granted the rest of the game was flat, but if Lankester scores his chance early on, or Jackson makes more of his opening at the edge of the box on his left foot with no defenders in front of him, then things look somewhat different.
The league game before that was Sunderland where we played well and had a reasonable shout at winning the game, let alone only drawing it. We're not going to do it every game. Crewe, for example, outplayed us for the first half of that game, possibly longer, when they were supposed to be one of the league's minnows, so we never got into our own stride. I think we just need to realise our form will go in and out, especially considering our ridiculous injury list. |
It's always an 'IF' though. If we score all our half chances then yes things would look better, but it ignores other teams also create them. |  |
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| The case for Lambert on 13:36 - Nov 24 with 1090 views | Garv |
| The case for Lambert on 13:35 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
It's always an 'IF' though. If we score all our half chances then yes things would look better, but it ignores other teams also create them. |
True, in which case blame the finishing not the style of play. |  |
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| The case for Lambert on 13:38 - Nov 24 with 1086 views | itfcjoe |
| The case for Lambert on 13:36 - Nov 24 by Garv |
True, in which case blame the finishing not the style of play. |
Creating 2 or 3 half chances a game is a failing of the style of play | |
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| Indeed, I want us to win..... on 13:53 - Nov 24 with 1071 views | SuperCoops |
| Indeed, I want us to win..... on 13:31 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
Lambert is the one who ultimately took us down without a fight and finished 11th in League 1. If we're handing out blame for our demise he's got to be pretty high on the list rather than simply not doing much to change it. |
Personally, I don't hold Lambert as much responsible for relegation. I personally think the damage was done when Hurst destroyed the squad, signed multiple inadequate L1/L2 players, let players we needed go etc. There wasn't the time, money to address enough signings to save relegation as we already on a massively downward spiral. Hurst gets the bulk of the blame on that one for me.
Likewise, you can add Evans to that list too. Between them all, they've all had a significant hand in the position we're in for differing reasons.
For the record, Lambert out. [Post edited 24 Nov 2020 13:54]
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| The case for Lambert on 15:47 - Nov 24 with 1047 views | Herbivore |
| The case for Lambert on 13:36 - Nov 24 by Garv |
True, in which case blame the finishing not the style of play. |
No side converts 100% of their chances. We don't remotely create enough. | |
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| The case for Lambert on 15:50 - Nov 24 with 1046 views | Herbivore |
| The case for Lambert on 13:33 - Nov 24 by SomethingBlue |
There are times that variation has worked for us — I'm thinking Edwards' second goal against Blackpool, the winner on Saturday, there are probably a couple of others. Completely agree we do not, in general, operate with enough pace and purpose beyond a few spells in a game and with the players we have it needs to be better. Devil's advocate: I'm not really sure who else does at this level.
If today and Saturday go badly then I'm fully behind making a change, FWIW. If they don't and we're top of the league then I fail to see what the point would be. So let's see how it plays out. |
My worry is that even with 2 wins this week, which I think is unlikely, I don't really have much faith that it'd be anyhring other than a false dawn. We've had 2 years of Lambert now and at his best he flatters to deceive, at his worst he looks like he's just guessing and hoping for the best. I think he's totally spent as a manager, unfortunately. I appreciate you think there could still be something there, but I can't see it. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) (n/t) on 17:31 - Nov 25 with 1007 views | delias_cheesy_flaps |
| The case for Lambert on 08:24 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
I think it's important that we clarify and understand something here.
'I am not a happy clapper, and heaven knows I can’t see why Sears is picked .... but let’s be positive, if it goes right , enjoy the ride ...if it goes wrong , we can criticise then and Lambert will be gone , but for now let’s do what it says on the supporters tin..and support.'
Lambert was brought in, first and foremost, to keep us in the Championship. He failed, we never once looked like making any kind of fist of staying up.
Lamberts second task was to gain promotion back to the Championship in the event of relegation. Last season we started the beginning of the season, winning games without playing well but never pushed on and struggled. He failed to gain promotion last season.
Lamberts aim, again, is promotion. he's built 'his' team. So far this season, it's a case of deja vu. We are winning but playing poorly and, currently, look awfully similar to last year.
So - when you 'if it goes wrong' - hasn't it somewhat gone tits up already to a large degree. We are in League 1 - yes, we are sitting OK in the League at the moment but that, again, is despite some pretty awful performances and we know, from last season, that you cannot go on winning games whilst playing poorly for the whole season.
I love my club and I want us to do well and I'd be more than happy is Lambert delivered but please, lets not be blind to the situation we are in, it's looking increasingly unlikely that Lambert will deliver - all the current evidence suggests he won't - I'm more than happy to be wrong. [Post edited 24 Nov 2020 8:29]
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| The case for Lambert on 01:16 - Nov 26 with 942 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| The case for Lambert on 13:06 - Nov 24 by Chocorange |
The reason I say is we will improve is as with anything in life.... the more you do it , the better you become at it. Practice makes perfect and yes I agree there’s a lot of improvement that still needs to come.
In terms of style , I watched Brum v Coventry on Friday and our way ( way is a more apt word than style ) of playing is very similar to Coventry who won league 1 last season. Lots of possession and passing across the back 4 with occasional diagonal long passes.
It does look to me like part of the plan is to wear the other team down... most games we start very slowly with constant passing across the back , the opposition forwards close us down for a bit then they get tired of chasing pointless balls or simply tire.
At the same time , starting Sears and/or Judge and playing long diagonal passes tires their defenders.
This all means that in the second half many of the opposition are tired and we also have sometimes stronger wing options ( than Sears) to come on against them. Thus we score more second half goals ... is this the Lambert master plan?
He himself made a comment after Accrington in the presser that he knew they couldn’t close us down for 90 minutes. Is that an indication of his tactical thoughts?
Also you may remember the scum had a lot of possession and also seemed to score a lot of late goals when they went up to the premier league a couple of years ago too... a common link here is Gill who was there to set their style of play up.
So I guess , if that is the plan we should all stand up and applaud as Toto passes to McGuinness for the 50th time in the first half  ,
It may not be pretty but in the main it is getting results so far ..especially when the poor refereeing decisions at Lincoln and Sunderland and the injuries we have are factored in. |
Perfect practice makes perfect. If you practice doing something wrong you get better at doing it wrong. Could this explain why we seem to be getting worse? |  | | |
| The case for Lambert on 05:04 - Nov 26 with 924 views | airliner |
| The case for Lambert on 08:45 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
Genuine questions here:
What exactly is this style that you see being implemented through the club?
What makes you think it is an effective style (assuming there is one)?
Why do you think we will improve, given that the opposite has happened in Lambert's previous two seasons here and given that our form and performances have been significantly poorer over our last 6 games than they were in our opening 6 games?
If Lambert was a new manager he'd deserve the benefit of the doubt but we've now had two years of him and it's patently obvious that whatever he had as a manager nearly a decade ago at Norwich, he no longer has. We don't look well drilled. We don't get better as seasons progress. All I see for Lambert from those that still support him is a lot of excuses and baseless hope.
This isn't about wanting to say I told you so, it's about wanting Town to progress and get better and to get out of this league ASAP. For me that only happens with a new manager at the helm given Lambert's performance here. |
Lambert was good at Norwich, he had Ian Culverhouse as head coach. Culverhouse is who we should bring into take over. | | | |
| The case for Lambert on 08:19 - Nov 26 with 896 views | Herbivore |
| The case for Lambert on 05:04 - Nov 26 by airliner |
Lambert was good at Norwich, he had Ian Culverhouse as head coach. Culverhouse is who we should bring into take over. |
4 days ago you said you thought Paul Lambert was doing a good job and now you want to replace him? | |
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