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Spoke to the steward about the club rules. Whilst they aren't the rules I'd have, at the end of the day thems the rules, so if I want to join that's how it works. Happy to join on that basis.
But I am damned if I am going to go along with any future rule changes. I am joining on today's rules and whatever they want to do in the future is upto them. Why should I agree to abide by any future rule changes these guys wish to make, especially when I am not consulted on them.
Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:02 - Dec 11 by StokieBlue
It's a punitive measure, Canada have access to the single market but aren't subject to a divergent rules policy.
I tend to agree, if you want access to something that has rules then your rules shouldn't allow you to take advantage in a way that other members can't.
However I can also see how it would be a huge problem for the Brexiteer government to accept those rules.
SB
CETA does have provisions that either side cannot reduce certain regulations in order to boost trade.
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Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:37 - Dec 11 with 590 views
Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:33 - Dec 11 by eireblue
CETA does have provisions that either side cannot reduce certain regulations in order to boost trade.
I don't believe it has the ability for the EU to adjust the import tariffs however they want in that scenario? That's what I read but perhaps that was wrong.
Happy to concede if that is incorrect.
I still think that this was never going to work though, agreeing to it would seem to be against everything that Brexit was supposed to be about. Not having it would be punitive to the EU.
It seems to be an impasse to me.
It's all daft of course though, we shouldn't be leaving.
SB
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Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:40 - Dec 11 with 587 views
At most members' golf clubs (I don't know if you are thinking about joining a proprietary club) the rules can only be changed if a majority of members agree to do so at an EGM.
Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:02 - Dec 11 by StokieBlue
It's a punitive measure, Canada have access to the single market but aren't subject to a divergent rules policy.
I tend to agree, if you want access to something that has rules then your rules shouldn't allow you to take advantage in a way that other members can't.
However I can also see how it would be a huge problem for the Brexiteer government to accept those rules.
SB
I don’t agree. The EU didn’t want us to leave. They are sorry to see us go. The Canada or Australia comparison is not a fair one. They have a relatively limited and narrow trading partnership with the EU. Our relationship with the EU goes much deeper across all sectors so it it critical for the EU that they retain some sort of parity of rules. The problem for Johnson is that he and his cronies sold Brexit on the lie of taking back control. As soon as we try to negotiate a deal with the US we see what a fairytale that is. Negotiating trade deals by definition requires give and take. The clue is in the word negotiating. It is impossible to control everything and do a deal. It is just a question of who would you rather partner with. Trying to negotiate trade deals with the USA, China or India we are a supplicant to a greater market and economy. As part of the EU we retained the ability to influence a major economic power. I am a so p****d off at the bs our politicians are putting out - I’m off to the golf course.
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Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:52 - Dec 11 with 573 views
Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:37 - Dec 11 by StokieBlue
I don't believe it has the ability for the EU to adjust the import tariffs however they want in that scenario? That's what I read but perhaps that was wrong.
Happy to concede if that is incorrect.
I still think that this was never going to work though, agreeing to it would seem to be against everything that Brexit was supposed to be about. Not having it would be punitive to the EU.
It seems to be an impasse to me.
It's all daft of course though, we shouldn't be leaving.
SB
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There is a dispute process to resolve such things.
But I don’t know what the UK is asking for.
For complete access to the single market, then of course you need to abide by all the rules of the market.
For reduced access and trade relationship like Canada, then you may have certain rules, e.g. Canada cannot reduce certain things, in order to be more competitive in that market.
Seems somewhat reasonable that if you want access somewhere between what the UK had, and more than what Canada has, then the rules of access to the market, will impose more than the CETA agreement.
I don’t know what the UK has asked for, and if it is greater than that of say Canada, and therefore has more rules associated with it.
It seems entirely reasonable that if the UK wants to increase things like environmental standards and the EU lags behind, then that should also be part of the agreement.
So you can have a race to the top, that has clauses if people don’t keep up, but prevent a race to the bottom, on either side.
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Thinking of joining a local golf club on 14:59 - Dec 11 with 567 views
We're looking to leave the golf club, not join it. The essential framework for doing so was set out when we joined the golf club.
All things are possible in your future relationship with the golf club. However, you want member's access to the clubhouse, and to the member's discounts in the club shop. The club don't want to do that, not least because you're also looking to set up a driving range next door to their club.
They, rightly, see you (not you personally, but you in this analogy) as a bit of an idiot.
Thinking of joining a local golf club on 16:59 - Dec 11 by factual_blue
Your brexit analogy is the wrong way around.
We're looking to leave the golf club, not join it. The essential framework for doing so was set out when we joined the golf club.
All things are possible in your future relationship with the golf club. However, you want member's access to the clubhouse, and to the member's discounts in the club shop. The club don't want to do that, not least because you're also looking to set up a driving range next door to their club.
They, rightly, see you (not you personally, but you in this analogy) as a bit of an idiot.
Nope, we have left the EU. What we are negotiating is access to the Single Market - so I think the analogy is valid. The club has it's rules, we wish to join the club (or at least be allowed to play) so we are the ones who have to adapt if we wish to play.
That we resigned our membership, and lost all the benefits that go with membership is our own decision and won't effect our new application.
Absolutely BJ is an idiot. Promised the earth and can't deliver. A charlatan of the highest order.
Ahh but I want to leave your golf club and buy a bit of land right next door and build a better and subsidised new golf club. I'm sure you'll still let me canvass all your members so that they can decide if my club is better now than their old one. Be a sport; there's a good chap.
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