| Don't know if it's been mentioned already 00:15 - Dec 16 with 3941 views | Garv |
But can we just appreciate how good McGuinness was tonight please?
He has a bizarre ability to be able to kick the ball if he misses a header and head the ball if he misses a kick. Some outrageous touches and turns in the middle of the park too. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:11 - Dec 16 with 396 views | Chrisd |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 11:20 - Dec 16 by Herbivore |
Chrisd's suggestion also involves us dropping Woolfenden to develop a player for Arsenal, which I'm not sure most fans would be up for. If we had a quality experienced CB available then surely we'd want to play him alongside our own talented young player? I know I aoould. Even in that scenario I make McGuiness back up.
I said back when we signed him that it was an odd one nd that we really should have been looking at signing a RB if it was the case that KVY was out for a while. Chambers is now starting to struggle a bit playing at right back, which we knew would happen, and we look woefully short of experience in the middle. If we'd signed a right back on loan instead we'd have two less problems than we have currently. |
Can you point out where I have actually said about dropping Woolfenden? I would appreciate it if I have indeed suggested it so it's transparent for all to see, would much prefer the facts are used instead of just insinuation to suit your own agenda. What I did post earlier is I'd like to see McGuiness partnered with a proper, experienced CB someone that could manage him and help him through games. I suggested Mowbray or De Vos due to the fact he's currently on loan here, so past Town players with proven leadership quality. I suppose I could've said Tony Adams or Steve Bould from his parent club. But lets not believe our own players don't make mistakes or even cost us goals, are they exempt because the aim is to discredit the young CB because he comes from another club because that looks evidently clear and unfair. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:16 - Dec 16 with 396 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:01 - Dec 16 by ArnieM |
but is he better than what we currently have , that is ours and is currently fit ? |
Not on what I've seen. Far too error prone. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:18 - Dec 16 with 386 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:11 - Dec 16 by Chrisd |
Can you point out where I have actually said about dropping Woolfenden? I would appreciate it if I have indeed suggested it so it's transparent for all to see, would much prefer the facts are used instead of just insinuation to suit your own agenda. What I did post earlier is I'd like to see McGuiness partnered with a proper, experienced CB someone that could manage him and help him through games. I suggested Mowbray or De Vos due to the fact he's currently on loan here, so past Town players with proven leadership quality. I suppose I could've said Tony Adams or Steve Bould from his parent club. But lets not believe our own players don't make mistakes or even cost us goals, are they exempt because the aim is to discredit the young CB because he comes from another club because that looks evidently clear and unfair. |
Sorry, it's just that as we're discussing ITFC I'd assumed that when you said you would like to see him alognisde am experienced CB partner I assumed you'd meant here where he is currently playing. That's hardly an unreasonable assumption but apologies that I've offended you. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:20 - Dec 16 with 378 views | Chrisd |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:18 - Dec 16 by Herbivore |
Sorry, it's just that as we're discussing ITFC I'd assumed that when you said you would like to see him alognisde am experienced CB partner I assumed you'd meant here where he is currently playing. That's hardly an unreasonable assumption but apologies that I've offended you. |
Try to actually use what people have actually said instead of making things up. Much appreciated. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:33 - Dec 16 with 362 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:20 - Dec 16 by Chrisd |
Try to actually use what people have actually said instead of making things up. Much appreciated. |
Try being a bit clearer in how you express yourself. Given we're talking about him playing here people are likely to use that context when responding to posts, this is after all an ITFC forum rather than an Arsenal forum or Mark McGuiness forum. Apology retracted for you being unnecessarily snippy. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:38 - Dec 16 with 358 views | Chrisd |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:33 - Dec 16 by Herbivore |
Try being a bit clearer in how you express yourself. Given we're talking about him playing here people are likely to use that context when responding to posts, this is after all an ITFC forum rather than an Arsenal forum or Mark McGuiness forum. Apology retracted for you being unnecessarily snippy. |
It was clear, but once again you chose to go off on a tangent and ignore what was actually posted. You do it a lot, not bother about the apology, it means nothing. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:44 - Dec 16 with 350 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:38 - Dec 16 by Chrisd |
It was clear, but once again you chose to go off on a tangent and ignore what was actually posted. You do it a lot, not bother about the apology, it means nothing. |
I don't think I went off on a tangent and I doubt anyone other than you thought I did either, but there we go. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:52 - Dec 16 with 342 views | Chrisd |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:44 - Dec 16 by Herbivore |
I don't think I went off on a tangent and I doubt anyone other than you thought I did either, but there we go. |
Yeah, you're probably right you certainly seem to be the catalyst for most disagreements on here, but that's probably down to being misunderstood. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:54 - Dec 16 with 336 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:52 - Dec 16 by Chrisd |
Yeah, you're probably right you certainly seem to be the catalyst for most disagreements on here, but that's probably down to being misunderstood. |
Yawn. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 13:00 - Dec 16 with 331 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:43 - Dec 16 by Herbivore |
McGuiness was clearly to blame for that. It was a really poor pass that was virtually square and hugely underhit and it left us completely exposed to the counter attack. |
Square??? |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 13:06 - Dec 16 with 329 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 12:38 - Dec 16 by Chrisd |
It was clear, but once again you chose to go off on a tangent and ignore what was actually posted. You do it a lot, not bother about the apology, it means nothing. |
It wasn't clear. I thought you meant dropping Woolfy when you said you'd like to see McGuinness partnered with an experienced centre back.
So to be clear, here in the real world, you wouldn't drop Woolfy, which means you would drop McGuinness then, seeing as you'd rather see him alongside someone more experienced? |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 13:46 - Dec 16 with 323 views | itfcjoe |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:43 - Dec 16 by MonkeyAlan |
Against the bottom team in league 3 ? He ought to be if he wants to be any good. I see players his age playing week in week out in the Premier League. |
There's only been 12 players younger than him who have appeared in the PL this season.....
Only 3 of them have started more than 2 games - Fabio Silva (a £35m Wolves signing) and England internationals Mason Green wood and Bukayo Saka |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 13:47 - Dec 16 with 318 views | itfcjoe |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 09:47 - Dec 16 by Herbivore |
They're not making the kind of mistakes that lead to goals as frequently as he is. He's given away a couple of penalties and was a bit fortunate not to give away another against Shrewsbury. He's hit misplaced passes that have led to chances and goals. He's missed interceptions and been caught out of position leading to us conceding. It happens far too often and there is no upside to it for us. He may well learn and be a good defender in 2 years' time but that doesn't help us much when we're still stuck in League 1. |
Johnny Wark made him MOTM last night interestingly, had Bennetts stayed on he'd have probably got it though | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 13:51 - Dec 16 with 315 views | itfcjoe |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 10:58 - Dec 16 by clive_baker |
Don't disagree, and that's the nature of being in division 3 with regards to who you can attract on loan.
You have to ask yourself, on balance does he merit his place in the side, if the answer is no then he shouldn't start, regardless of ownership. If it's yes, but marginally better than the alternatives that we actually own, then it becomes a tricky balance between nurturing our own in favour of someone elses. Ideally with a loanee, they overwhelmingly justify their place because they're of a higher standard than anyone we could sign in the permanent market, as MM did so well with the likes of Fraser and Lawrence. I don't think any of Lamberts loan signings since he's been here can make that claim.
I would say he's in that middle pot, for me he's been the stronger of the 2 between him and Woolfy, but perhaps not by enough to justify propelling him above LW given he'll be heading back to Arsenal at the end of the season. I agree, the optimum is probably Woolfenden starting alongside a more senior head such as Chambers when KVY returns, with McGuinness as a more than able deputy. Assuming KVY can get fit, then something has to give defensively. He either slots in for either fullback, or he goes RB and a CB makes way for Chambers. That feels more likely IMO. |
Considering how anti loans Lambert has vocally been, we've signed 2 of exactly the sort of players he has railed against in previous comments.
The loans last season made sense, Garbutt was out of contract and Bart was only on loan initially at Millwall with a couple of years left after so couldn't really bring in another permanent keeper.
But are we really getting much more out of McGuinness and Bennetts than we could have got out of Donacien/Ndaba and Dobra/El Mizouni? Not for me, Clive. | |
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