| Laura Kuenssber 22:35 - Jan 6 with 5736 views | jaykay |
she does like to understate
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:47 - Jan 7 with 849 views | giant_stow |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:38 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
If you knew even the slightest thing about feminism you’d understand sex workers are one of the biggest victims of the patriarchy and laws decided 100s of years ago by men. It’s not a simple PORN IS SEXIST debate. The problem isn’t women having sex but men’s entitlement to say what a woman can/can’t do with their body and how they should be treated off the back of such. |
hey no need to justify your habit to me Callis - you fire away!
Its an interesting area and I'm not sure there’s any definitive answers. All I can say is having being brought up and surrounded by several strong feminist women in my life, I can’t think of single one that doesn’t have a problem with porn. Then again, maybe I’m just out of touch with modern mores? Certainly possible….
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:56 - Jan 7 with 833 views | Lord_Lucan |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:47 - Jan 7 by giant_stow |
hey no need to justify your habit to me Callis - you fire away!
Its an interesting area and I'm not sure there’s any definitive answers. All I can say is having being brought up and surrounded by several strong feminist women in my life, I can’t think of single one that doesn’t have a problem with porn. Then again, maybe I’m just out of touch with modern mores? Certainly possible….
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I’m just out of touch with modern mores?
I'm now wondering if you meant modern morals or modern whores
I watched a Yorkshire Ripper thing the other night and it struck me how the police, press and public were making different comments on those killed that were not prostitutes - as if their lives were valued more. Seems a bit crazy looking back on it but I remember it well. |  |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:57 - Jan 7 with 822 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:47 - Jan 7 by giant_stow |
hey no need to justify your habit to me Callis - you fire away!
Its an interesting area and I'm not sure there’s any definitive answers. All I can say is having being brought up and surrounded by several strong feminist women in my life, I can’t think of single one that doesn’t have a problem with porn. Then again, maybe I’m just out of touch with modern mores? Certainly possible….
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To be fair I hardly watch the stuff anymore. At 33 w*nking furiously until my hands are raw feels a bit less rewarding than it did at 16.
I know a few sex workers from people who cam or do OnlyFans to escorts. My ex was a stripper FFS. I just don’t see why these women should be denied a living or treated as less than human.
But if we can’t even talk about female journalist integrity without it descending into a bunch of men grunting, how the f*ck do we get society to understand it’s an institutional attitude towards women that makes Incels well before they’ve seen pornography? |  |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:58 - Jan 7 with 811 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:56 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I’m just out of touch with modern mores?
I'm now wondering if you meant modern morals or modern whores
I watched a Yorkshire Ripper thing the other night and it struck me how the police, press and public were making different comments on those killed that were not prostitutes - as if their lives were valued more. Seems a bit crazy looking back on it but I remember it well. |
It’s an attitude that still exists in society sadly.
As men, we can still do better.
I don’t think that statement is controversial. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:00 - Jan 7 with 802 views | Lord_Lucan |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:57 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
To be fair I hardly watch the stuff anymore. At 33 w*nking furiously until my hands are raw feels a bit less rewarding than it did at 16.
I know a few sex workers from people who cam or do OnlyFans to escorts. My ex was a stripper FFS. I just don’t see why these women should be denied a living or treated as less than human.
But if we can’t even talk about female journalist integrity without it descending into a bunch of men grunting, how the f*ck do we get society to understand it’s an institutional attitude towards women that makes Incels well before they’ve seen pornography? |
I think you will find that the poor old male of the species receive similar grunts on Mumsnet etc
You radical activists have a habit of overthinking things and trawling through things trying to find issues with everything.
Take a break and smile at something. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:02 - Jan 7 with 788 views | giant_stow |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:56 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I’m just out of touch with modern mores?
I'm now wondering if you meant modern morals or modern whores
I watched a Yorkshire Ripper thing the other night and it struck me how the police, press and public were making different comments on those killed that were not prostitutes - as if their lives were valued more. Seems a bit crazy looking back on it but I remember it well. |
No not modern whores! Modern mores/morals. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:06 - Jan 7 with 775 views | giant_stow |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 17:57 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
To be fair I hardly watch the stuff anymore. At 33 w*nking furiously until my hands are raw feels a bit less rewarding than it did at 16.
I know a few sex workers from people who cam or do OnlyFans to escorts. My ex was a stripper FFS. I just don’t see why these women should be denied a living or treated as less than human.
But if we can’t even talk about female journalist integrity without it descending into a bunch of men grunting, how the f*ck do we get society to understand it’s an institutional attitude towards women that makes Incels well before they’ve seen pornography? |
I don't think any non-sexist person would treat sex-workers as less than human - even ones who don't agree with porn or sex work.
You may well be right in your original complaint - I'm not really equipped to be judge and jury. I do think though, that this may be one of those areas where people are just people — we fancy each other and as long as women can speak in the same terms, its ok. Just so happens there’s a lot of men here. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:11 - Jan 7 with 762 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:00 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I think you will find that the poor old male of the species receive similar grunts on Mumsnet etc
You radical activists have a habit of overthinking things and trawling through things trying to find issues with everything.
Take a break and smile at something. |
Using what other people do to constantly defend your own behaviour is how we ended up with a world in such a f*cking mess.
You’ve offered up nothing yet again but how many times have you claimed I refuse to listen? | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:15 - Jan 7 with 753 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:06 - Jan 7 by giant_stow |
I don't think any non-sexist person would treat sex-workers as less than human - even ones who don't agree with porn or sex work.
You may well be right in your original complaint - I'm not really equipped to be judge and jury. I do think though, that this may be one of those areas where people are just people — we fancy each other and as long as women can speak in the same terms, its ok. Just so happens there’s a lot of men here. |
Problem is that attitude affects women far more than men. Most women I know (and those I don’t) have been victim to a sexual assault. Even more are regularly victims of unwanted attention from men, many of which feel they are entitled to something from them.
I think we’d be more productive to have a debate about consent and how such language impacts that than comments like “what about Loose Women” though. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:17 - Jan 7 with 747 views | Lord_Lucan |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:11 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
Using what other people do to constantly defend your own behaviour is how we ended up with a world in such a f*cking mess.
You’ve offered up nothing yet again but how many times have you claimed I refuse to listen? |
Ok I'll bite.
You think something is wrong. I think it makes the world go round.
Many people agree with both of us.
What on earth do we do now?
Could toleration be the answer? | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:21 - Jan 7 with 725 views | J2BLUE |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:17 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok I'll bite.
You think something is wrong. I think it makes the world go round.
Many people agree with both of us.
What on earth do we do now?
Could toleration be the answer? |
No, you're a monster who needs a good pegging to get rid of that toxic masculinity. |  |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:27 - Jan 7 with 710 views | lowhouseblue |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:17 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok I'll bite.
You think something is wrong. I think it makes the world go round.
Many people agree with both of us.
What on earth do we do now?
Could toleration be the answer? |
tolerance is not how you win the internet. |  |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:30 - Jan 7 with 702 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:17 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Ok I'll bite.
You think something is wrong. I think it makes the world go round.
Many people agree with both of us.
What on earth do we do now?
Could toleration be the answer? |
Again, you assume I’m looking for an argument. I’m not, I’d just like you to perhaps read what I write and think about it rather than have to dismiss it at all costs.
I feel I’ve been fair in how I’ve put my point across. I haven’t called you a sexist. I just pointed out institutionalised sexism happening in real time. Your initial response was to double down and carry on doing it.
What more can I do to engage with you whilst being mindful of the fact I have to dodge metaphoric asteroids to avoid getting your back up based on past form? Considering what you’ve called me ignorant and narrow minded about in the past, and how it applies to the present evolution of views/society, you could finally cut me some slack and give what I say some time of day? I find it quite rude to write me off as some kind of angry lefty without a clue about the real world. I’ve lived in it long enough, it’s mostly sh1t for everyone who isn’t a straight white male in the West.
Either way, I’m not bothered how you choose to process my thoughts. What side history you choose to jump on isn’t on me. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:30 - Jan 7 with 703 views | Lord_Lucan |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:21 - Jan 7 by J2BLUE |
No, you're a monster who needs a good pegging to get rid of that toxic masculinity. |
Actually I've had a strange day today J2. I haven't been myself, I've done hardly any work and spent too much time on here - which I have actually enjoyed but ultimately it's a bad thing. I also had a lunchtime Prosecco which hasn't helped.
Tomorrow I need to get my act together which involves getting up early and going for it. As a chronic insomniac my only answer is to speed drink a couple of bottles of plonk and watch a Jam documentary for the 100th time. I just prey for you, me and everyone that the speed drinking bit doesn't overly affect my conversation with Callis - who let's face it just needs a big old cuddle and a pat on the head. | |
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| Laura Kuenssber on 18:30 - Jan 7 with 701 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Laura Kuenssber on 09:57 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
The point > .
Your post > . |
It was a genuine question on the basis I would have thought that a news reporter with their ear to the ground was probably aware but perhaps she was shot or news of it acme through to the media some time after the Tweet.
I agree it was a bad enough understatement and shows her clear political bias, but if she should have already known it is even worse. That was my point. |  |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:31 - Jan 7 with 697 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:27 - Jan 7 by lowhouseblue |
tolerance is not how you win the internet. |
Well the middle ground of balance and tip toeing around issues for the last 50 years via neo liberal politics has done us the world of good evidently. We should do more of that.
Or, you could start paying attention. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:34 - Jan 7 with 687 views | J2BLUE |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:30 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Actually I've had a strange day today J2. I haven't been myself, I've done hardly any work and spent too much time on here - which I have actually enjoyed but ultimately it's a bad thing. I also had a lunchtime Prosecco which hasn't helped.
Tomorrow I need to get my act together which involves getting up early and going for it. As a chronic insomniac my only answer is to speed drink a couple of bottles of plonk and watch a Jam documentary for the 100th time. I just prey for you, me and everyone that the speed drinking bit doesn't overly affect my conversation with Callis - who let's face it just needs a big old cuddle and a pat on the head. |
TWTD needs you! | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:43 - Jan 7 with 655 views | lowhouseblue |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:31 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
Well the middle ground of balance and tip toeing around issues for the last 50 years via neo liberal politics has done us the world of good evidently. We should do more of that.
Or, you could start paying attention. |
whereas being shouty, simplistic and intolerant on the internet will change the world. hurrah. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:51 - Jan 7 with 634 views | Keno |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:30 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Actually I've had a strange day today J2. I haven't been myself, I've done hardly any work and spent too much time on here - which I have actually enjoyed but ultimately it's a bad thing. I also had a lunchtime Prosecco which hasn't helped.
Tomorrow I need to get my act together which involves getting up early and going for it. As a chronic insomniac my only answer is to speed drink a couple of bottles of plonk and watch a Jam documentary for the 100th time. I just prey for you, me and everyone that the speed drinking bit doesn't overly affect my conversation with Callis - who let's face it just needs a big old cuddle and a pat on the head. |
Hope you ok LL?
I know from bitter experience just how badly insomnia can affect, and debilitate you, which is not helped by having tinnitus |  |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:52 - Jan 7 with 627 views | Lord_Lucan |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:34 - Jan 7 by J2BLUE |
TWTD needs you! |
Well that's very kind J2 but what TWTD really needs is Stupidbigmouthhead who is without doubt the finest cretin (and I mean that in an affectionate way) to have ever graced this board.
I've enjoyed having a bit of a catch up but it really isn't good for work as basically you get drawn into things and nothing gets done.
Gotta say though - whilst flicking through things I was a bit upset that Eric Clacton wasn't nominated for TWTD PM, he would be my first choice. I would also suggest Guthers - who is undoubtably the most intelligent person on here - and if he isn't then might I suggest he is arguably the most intelligent painter and decorator on here. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:18 - Jan 7 with 562 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 18:43 - Jan 7 by lowhouseblue |
whereas being shouty, simplistic and intolerant on the internet will change the world. hurrah. |
That’s the con, you’ve been convinced by decades of this nonsense that equality is complex and therefore cannot be achieved. And you’ve also been conned into thinking tolerance to the intolerant is needed rather than calling it out.
And here we sit, watching those loons now try and overthrow an elected government.
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:23 - Jan 7 with 547 views | J2BLUE |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:18 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
That’s the con, you’ve been convinced by decades of this nonsense that equality is complex and therefore cannot be achieved. And you’ve also been conned into thinking tolerance to the intolerant is needed rather than calling it out.
And here we sit, watching those loons now try and overthrow an elected government.
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I think the main thing is that people agree about equality but they don't think you need to be 'on' all the time. A joke on the internet or admiring a female tv presenter doesn't mean you don't respect them. Most people focus on the bigger issues such as equal pay and still allow themselves the odd joke. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:26 - Jan 7 with 537 views | Lord_Lucan |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:18 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
That’s the con, you’ve been convinced by decades of this nonsense that equality is complex and therefore cannot be achieved. And you’ve also been conned into thinking tolerance to the intolerant is needed rather than calling it out.
And here we sit, watching those loons now try and overthrow an elected government.
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Yet you are the most intolerant person on here.
You are a wannabe fascist. | |
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:28 - Jan 7 with 518 views | monytowbray |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:26 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Yet you are the most intolerant person on here.
You are a wannabe fascist. |
Sorry but if that’s your best take on what I just said you’ve lost it.
What exactly am I intolerant to? [Post edited 7 Jan 2021 19:29]
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| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:39 - Jan 7 with 490 views | lowhouseblue |
| She went downhill a bit..... on 19:18 - Jan 7 by monytowbray |
That’s the con, you’ve been convinced by decades of this nonsense that equality is complex and therefore cannot be achieved. And you’ve also been conned into thinking tolerance to the intolerant is needed rather than calling it out.
And here we sit, watching those loons now try and overthrow an elected government.
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nah, it's more that the hard of thinking pushing simplistic certainties is really dull.
you're the one bringing in the comparison to trump, but actually it's not that bad a comparison. [Post edited 7 Jan 2021 19:40]
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