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2 shots on target in 90 minutes 17:00 - Jan 16 with 4116 viewsHerbivore

Against the worst team in the third division. Absolute scenes.

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 08:47 - Jan 17 with 1366 viewsArnieM

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 19:07 - Jan 16 by casanovacrow

Out of curiosity do you have the stats for the 2016/17 season? I remember that season to be particularly painful to watch. Lawrence the only bright spot.


I’m with you all the way on your verdict on McCarthy. It was abysmal. We barely got over the half way line AT HOME in many games. Instead , playing tippy tappy football back and forth in our op defending half. It was soul destroying to watch. In many ways Lamberts current approach is so, so similar. It doesn’t matter what division you play in. The approach can be whatever you want to make it. If you don’t get across the half way l8ne , and and put crosses into your opponents box, your far less likely to win a game.

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 08:50 - Jan 17 with 1362 viewsArnieM

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 22:52 - Jan 16 by PhilTWTD

One off the bar was second phase after a corner if I remember rightly.


Yer but that was due to a wicked deflection off a Burton player....it was go8mg out for a throw in until that happened.

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 08:59 - Jan 17 with 1329 viewsitfcjoe

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 23:36 - Jan 16 by MrTown

It was a Teddy Bishop flick onto Drinan who struck the woodwork, was the second phase of play.


A flick on doesn’t make it a second phase

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:05 - Jan 17 with 1315 viewsHerbivore

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 08:47 - Jan 17 by ArnieM

I’m with you all the way on your verdict on McCarthy. It was abysmal. We barely got over the half way line AT HOME in many games. Instead , playing tippy tappy football back and forth in our op defending half. It was soul destroying to watch. In many ways Lamberts current approach is so, so similar. It doesn’t matter what division you play in. The approach can be whatever you want to make it. If you don’t get across the half way l8ne , and and put crosses into your opponents box, your far less likely to win a game.


Mick had one of the smallest budgets in the division, he was trying to find ways for us to compete with much better resourced sides and aside from 2016/17 he managed to achieve it. It wasn't always pretty, especially when our more creative players like Didz and Bishop were constantly injured, but it was fairly effective.

We're now in the third tier and we're one of the best resourced sides at this level. There's no excuse for us playing as poorly as we are. The football is dire. We don't create much playing against sides we ought to be better than. And we got rid of Mick because we wanted more entertaining football, instead the football is worse imo, certainly it's no better, and it's being played in the third division.

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:08 - Jan 17 with 1309 viewsKeaneish

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 08:45 - Jan 17 by Herbivore

This season isn't over yet. And we're in the third tier ffs.
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It’s all relative though. We had a better squad in the Championship with more teams playing a bit more expansively on manicured pitches. In this league we have teams happy to sit behind the ball and lump it the length of a bobbly pitch. Reality is it pretty much averages out across most seasons. Looking at those stats,10 per game is about average - yesterday fell short.
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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:16 - Jan 17 with 1285 viewsHerbivore

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:08 - Jan 17 by Keaneish

It’s all relative though. We had a better squad in the Championship with more teams playing a bit more expansively on manicured pitches. In this league we have teams happy to sit behind the ball and lump it the length of a bobbly pitch. Reality is it pretty much averages out across most seasons. Looking at those stats,10 per game is about average - yesterday fell short.
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We've fallen short far too often under Lambert. We're terrible, the football is mostly utterly dreadful. Creating pretty much nothing against Burton with three wins to their name all season and well adrift at the bottom is pitiful. It's made worse when you look at the players we have at our disposal relative to other sides in the division. How many other League 1 sides do you honestly think can leave the likes of Jackson and Huws sitting in the stands?

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 08:45 - Jan 17 by Herbivore

This season isn't over yet. And we're in the third tier ffs.
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so you are now arguing the facts? I accept its a different division, but when in the championship, that season, we'd have had championship quality players.

so what the difference?

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:27 - Jan 17 with 1260 viewsHerbivore

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:22 - Jan 17 by textbackup

so you are now arguing the facts? I accept its a different division, but when in the championship, that season, we'd have had championship quality players.

so what the difference?


Were we in the top 3 best resourced clubs in the Championship?

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:27 - Jan 17 by Herbivore

Were we in the top 3 best resourced clubs in the Championship?


we were not, however, is that all it comes down to? not training, improving what we had, tactics etc

I know you believe yourself to neeeeeeeeeever be wrong, but maybe just maybe, you have the blinkers on here to it previously

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:51 - Jan 17 with 1236 viewsHerbivore

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:42 - Jan 17 by textbackup

we were not, however, is that all it comes down to? not training, improving what we had, tactics etc

I know you believe yourself to neeeeeeeeeever be wrong, but maybe just maybe, you have the blinkers on here to it previously


It's not all it comes down to but it's a big contributing factor. Generally the better resourced sides have better players, players that can help them to dictate games. We didn't have that in the Championship, but we are in that position in League 1.

I know you and others are desperate to hold on to the idea that things were worse under Mick, and that's fair enough, but let's not underplay just how abject we are under Lambert in the third division.

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 09:51 - Jan 17 by Herbivore

It's not all it comes down to but it's a big contributing factor. Generally the better resourced sides have better players, players that can help them to dictate games. We didn't have that in the Championship, but we are in that position in League 1.

I know you and others are desperate to hold on to the idea that things were worse under Mick, and that's fair enough, but let's not underplay just how abject we are under Lambert in the third division.


behave Norwich boy, take it you didn't read this post from me earlier then..... in particular, the line where I stated "granted, we would probably still be a championship team if he was here"

it wasn't worse under MM, not even close, but lets not pretend it was good, especially at the end, we certainly weren't improving

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 10:51 - Jan 17 with 1190 viewsHerbivore

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 10:46 - Jan 17 by textbackup

behave Norwich boy, take it you didn't read this post from me earlier then..... in particular, the line where I stated "granted, we would probably still be a championship team if he was here"

it wasn't worse under MM, not even close, but lets not pretend it was good, especially at the end, we certainly weren't improving


It wasn't great but it was alright, even in our worst season under Mick we still managed performances like the 3-1 win over Newcastle and there were some decent games at PR in his final season as well (admittedly not during the last couple of months of it). Things had gone stale though and had got toxic with the fans so he had to go. But I'd happily take the occasional boredom of the Mick era over the abject toss Lambert has served up. I'm sure we can both agree that we'd hope for much better than this under the next manager.

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 10:56 - Jan 17 with 1179 viewsN2_Blue

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 10:51 - Jan 17 by Herbivore

It wasn't great but it was alright, even in our worst season under Mick we still managed performances like the 3-1 win over Newcastle and there were some decent games at PR in his final season as well (admittedly not during the last couple of months of it). Things had gone stale though and had got toxic with the fans so he had to go. But I'd happily take the occasional boredom of the Mick era over the abject toss Lambert has served up. I'm sure we can both agree that we'd hope for much better than this under the next manager.


Just watched the highlights as I cannot be bothered to watch Town under the current regime and certainly not paying money for games etc.

Was that it...other than the goal...basically we didn't create a single clear cut chance in the whole game or make their keep save anything? Woeful

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 10:51 - Jan 17 by Herbivore

It wasn't great but it was alright, even in our worst season under Mick we still managed performances like the 3-1 win over Newcastle and there were some decent games at PR in his final season as well (admittedly not during the last couple of months of it). Things had gone stale though and had got toxic with the fans so he had to go. But I'd happily take the occasional boredom of the Mick era over the abject toss Lambert has served up. I'm sure we can both agree that we'd hope for much better than this under the next manager.


Newcastle that were already promoted and played as tho they were pissed? it was a really good day ill admit that, but not really something ill stick in the memory as a brilliant result for town in my supporting years.

that we certainly can agree on. had no idea what to expect from PL tho, in my head I could only see his NCFC success and wanted a bit of that, ignored stoke villa and blackburn at my own risk..... really liked his enthusiasm and not ashamed to admit I brought into it..... however, didn't take long to see it was going wrong. Gillingham away we won 1-0, and were so average, I couldn't even be happy with the win.

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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 13:32 - Jan 17 with 1102 viewsLeaky

i can see where your coming from, however is it better too have two shots on target & one goes in . Or 20 shots on target & none go in.
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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 13:32 - Jan 17 by Leaky

i can see where your coming from, however is it better too have two shots on target & one goes in . Or 20 shots on target & none go in.


It's about creating clear cut chances for me. You can have 20 shots with 10 on target all of which don't stand a hope in a Bryan Gunn bobble of going in. But create 5 - 9 clear cut chances in a game and you've a chance and something nearer to entertainment.

At our current level create even 2 clear cut chances and you can win, like yesterday. It's just that is not entertainment, and dull as dishwater, but you take the win.

The only encouragement I took yesterday was, greater defensive solidity, and the return of that central trio, Dozzell, Downes and Bishop (everything else was still soul destroying to watch). When fit and purring, those three potentially add the quality (at this level and perhaps the next), to make the "style" work. Great keeping possession as we are, but it needs those moments of fast changes of pace, to carve a team open. At present, we don't have this in our locker.

Add a Vincent-Young (what's the situation with him), sign a likeness of him at left-back, get Edwards clicking on the left again, and someone on the right side (Lankaster, Harrop), and I think we might start to see some green shoots. Actually, Harrop type signing could be a key to plan B. I've read he's a set-piece specialist, something we have not had since Curry? If plan A doesn't create in open play, plan B does from the set-piece.

Still does nothing for the car crash, that is our off field effort, and all the above assumes the manager and coaching team has the ability to coach the team to deploy it effectively.

That's my optimistic ITFC post for the week. Green shoots - not yet - but the seeds are in the packet.
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2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 16:14 - Jan 17 with 1024 viewsMrTown

2 shots on target in 90 minutes on 08:59 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe

A flick on doesn’t make it a second phase


I’m not implying it does, just outlining it was a second phase of play.

Nsiala recycled it out to Chambers, who delivered onto Bishop.
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