| Cardiff Fans view 10:53 - Jan 22 with 5985 views | unstableblue |
"OMG....hope we don't get him. Not a great recent record. He's not the way forward for our club surely!! We need a more modern and progressive manager. You can tell from his punditry that he's a no nonsense, up and at 'em type manager. Everything based on discipline, workrate, crunching tackles and the like. We need a bit more than that."
"I'd be devasted to see Mcarthy come in. Absolute fossil of a manager. Would show there is no long term plan or any sort of DESIRE TO CHANGE OUR STYLE OF PLAY. We are never going to move forward if keep appointing managers like him as when he leaves we'll be right back to square 1."
"I an see why the club would go for McCarthy he is the boring safe choice. Very experienced at this level where he has had quite a bit of success. But the safe choice isn't always the right choice,look at Sheffield Wednesday and Pulis. There must be a bit of suspicion that McCarthy is a bit past he sell by date,there was his dreadful spell in Cyprus and He was not rated very highly by Ipswich fans. Possibly they have a bit better regard for him now as the season after he left they were relegated and don't look like getting out of league one any time soon."
"Looks like our club, Dalman, Choo and Tan will f**k this up again. Mick McCarthy ffs. Go and get Bellamy and get the passion, drive and PLAY FOOTBALL THE FANS WANT. Not Pulis, Hughes or any of these failed managers. |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 13:47 - Jan 23 with 366 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:32 - Jan 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That Reading theory has been mentioned a few times but not sure I agree. We’d lost at home to Brighton the game before and whilst that did form part of a bad run, we firmly recovered through November and December. For me that season died with Fraser’s injury in the last minute at QPR which was the start of the second bad run, during which we really struggled for goals (10 in 14 as opposed to 43 in 32 across the rest of the season)
I would argue that the issues which have led to our demise were present during the McCarthy era and even before. It was pretty obvious that Mick was propping us up (wage bill in the bottom quarter of the division with wider cost cutting through the club) and that short of hitting a home run to replace him things were only going to head one way, sadly |
We started that season well and were unlucky in the Brighton game. That game was probably the level of entertainment and value you’d expect at PR despite the result. We had character then and you always felt that we had the nouse to come from several goals behind.
The capitulation at Reading seemed to signal the end to the tweaks he’d made to start the season so well. Live on Sky we were exposed so often and looked ragged. Given it was such an ‘Un-Mick’ like performance viewed by a lot of people, my theory is that Mick retreated into what he knew best and we never really looked like emulating that style of play again after that. [Post edited 23 Jan 2021 13:48]
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| Cardiff Fans view on 13:47 - Jan 23 with 366 views | braveblue |
| Cardiff Fans view on 12:16 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
I think you've just proved his point there. |
How? |  | | |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:49 - Jan 23 with 354 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:47 - Jan 23 by braveblue |
How? |
By being stupid. |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 13:49 - Jan 23 with 354 views | longtimefan |
| Cardiff Fans view on 07:22 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
It’s easy to forget the bad things over the good. Reading that article I posted I’d forgotten we wracked up 7 defeats in 8 and failed to score in the first half of 17 out of 20 games.
The best article I read that summed up Mick read something like this, “Mick McCarthy is Mick McCarthy all the time, to the limit. His favourite colour is brown. His favourite holiday destination the garden. His favourite food is breadsticks. Would you like sparking water with that? Luke warm please”. Unique and unapologetically uninspiring - the Mick way.
Good luck to him at Cardiff but, in true Mick fashion he’s taken up the offer of a 6-month contract to try and win another by showing the world that it’s him against them and he deserves something more rewarding. The fact that he had it by default as Paul Cook turned it down won’t phase him, “water of a ducks back that”.
Mick’s words to us in 2012 -“The long-term ambition is to take the club back into the Premier League”. Ironic really given vitriolic statements since like “be careful what you wish for” and “that ended well for them”. We were no closer to the PL in 2018 than we were by the end of 2013. |
“ Mick’s words to us in 2012 -“The long-term ambition is to take the club back into the Premier League”. Ironic really given vitriolic statements since like “be careful what you wish for” and “that ended well for them”. We were no closer to the PL in 2018 than we were by the end of 2013.”
Probably the ultimate aim for all clubs. Unfortunately we’re a lot further away from achieving that now than we ever were during his stewardship. | | | |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:51 - Jan 23 with 343 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:49 - Jan 23 by longtimefan |
“ Mick’s words to us in 2012 -“The long-term ambition is to take the club back into the Premier League”. Ironic really given vitriolic statements since like “be careful what you wish for” and “that ended well for them”. We were no closer to the PL in 2018 than we were by the end of 2013.”
Probably the ultimate aim for all clubs. Unfortunately we’re a lot further away from achieving that now than we ever were during his stewardship. |
He's being deliberately dishonest in his framing of it. Keaneish was one of the more rabid anti-Mick brigade so he's desperate to downplay the indisputable evidence that on the whole McCarthy did a good job here, even if it was the right time for him to move on in the end. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 13:59 - Jan 23 with 317 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:47 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
We started that season well and were unlucky in the Brighton game. That game was probably the level of entertainment and value you’d expect at PR despite the result. We had character then and you always felt that we had the nouse to come from several goals behind.
The capitulation at Reading seemed to signal the end to the tweaks he’d made to start the season so well. Live on Sky we were exposed so often and looked ragged. Given it was such an ‘Un-Mick’ like performance viewed by a lot of people, my theory is that Mick retreated into what he knew best and we never really looked like emulating that style of play again after that. [Post edited 23 Jan 2021 13:48]
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The Reading game was a freak and we had a wobble after but we still played some good stuff through the November/December run. That spell included us scoring 5 at Rotherham, 3 at Charlton and a fairly entertaining 2-2 at home to Wolves
It was the run from February that really killed us where we just never looked like scoring and losing Fraser was a huge part of that. Unfortunately one of the big constraints with the budget was that the squad severely lacked depth and we were always in a position where losing one or two players really blunted us (see also McGoldrick frequently, selling Murphy etc) |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 14:24 - Jan 23 with 295 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:51 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
He's being deliberately dishonest in his framing of it. Keaneish was one of the more rabid anti-Mick brigade so he's desperate to downplay the indisputable evidence that on the whole McCarthy did a good job here, even if it was the right time for him to move on in the end. |
Mick framed it in his own words. We’re talking about the ambition of Mick and what he wanted to achieve; he failed to do that irrespective of all the ‘ifs and buts’ that are mustered. He came here to win.
I’ve acknowledged countless times he has a lot of strengths and did well at times. Ultimately, he failed, yet, there’s a constant denial on here to address that. The perversity is, he’s actually celebrated given he’s the only competent manager we’ve had. Mediocrity isn’t something to celebrate and that’s all that was achieved. The fact we’ve gone backwards since isn’t testament to Mick’s brilliance while he was here - that’s where the incorrect framing should be evaluated. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 14:34 - Jan 23 with 285 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 13:59 - Jan 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The Reading game was a freak and we had a wobble after but we still played some good stuff through the November/December run. That spell included us scoring 5 at Rotherham, 3 at Charlton and a fairly entertaining 2-2 at home to Wolves
It was the run from February that really killed us where we just never looked like scoring and losing Fraser was a huge part of that. Unfortunately one of the big constraints with the budget was that the squad severely lacked depth and we were always in a position where losing one or two players really blunted us (see also McGoldrick frequently, selling Murphy etc) |
Agree we had some good results after and achieved a good league position. In my opinion though, we never quite seemed the same and didn’t play with quite the same fluidity after the Madejski. Squad depth is a good point and may well have been a factor. Did we spend too much on too few? Was the money not there or was the market a bit dry?
What we do know is that Mick liked a lean squad comparatively. Upsides and downsides to that but again, whether it was enforced because of financial implications or whether it was by choice we’ll never know. Despite Mick blooding youth, I do think this was under utilised at times. Something my ROI friends agree with. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 14:36 - Jan 23 with 282 views | patrickswell |
| Cardiff Fans view on 11:11 - Jan 22 by PhilTWTD |
"At some point you might be forced to accept that Mick McCarthy has bene the best thing for ITFC in the entire time Evans has owned the club."
That's not really the highest benchmark to set!
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He never banned you from a press conference though, Phil. |  | | |
| Cardiff Fans view on 14:48 - Jan 23 with 265 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff Fans view on 14:24 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
Mick framed it in his own words. We’re talking about the ambition of Mick and what he wanted to achieve; he failed to do that irrespective of all the ‘ifs and buts’ that are mustered. He came here to win.
I’ve acknowledged countless times he has a lot of strengths and did well at times. Ultimately, he failed, yet, there’s a constant denial on here to address that. The perversity is, he’s actually celebrated given he’s the only competent manager we’ve had. Mediocrity isn’t something to celebrate and that’s all that was achieved. The fact we’ve gone backwards since isn’t testament to Mick’s brilliance while he was here - that’s where the incorrect framing should be evaluated. |
He consistently had us performing above our budget and above where most neutrals thought we should be with the resources at our disposal. He didn't get us promoted ultimately, but he at least had us in the running at times despite no real transfer budget and a bottom third wage budget. I get that context significantly weakens your argument on this one and that's why you've chosen to leave it all out, but it's a rather dishonest approach. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 14:51 - Jan 23 with 262 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Cardiff Fans view on 14:34 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
Agree we had some good results after and achieved a good league position. In my opinion though, we never quite seemed the same and didn’t play with quite the same fluidity after the Madejski. Squad depth is a good point and may well have been a factor. Did we spend too much on too few? Was the money not there or was the market a bit dry?
What we do know is that Mick liked a lean squad comparatively. Upsides and downsides to that but again, whether it was enforced because of financial implications or whether it was by choice we’ll never know. Despite Mick blooding youth, I do think this was under utilised at times. Something my ROI friends agree with. |
The money clearly wasn’t there - again one only needs to look at the published accounts to see the budget we were working with. Pretty obvious that within those restrictions, McCarthy chose to put his eggs towards a small number of strong signings (usually including a marquee loan) and then padding the squad out with cheap filler a la Toure, Coke etc
Generally the bigger signings (ie. transfer fee, high profile loan or high wage free transfer) worked with a couple of glaring exceptions - looking at you Douglas and Stewart
The idea that he likes a small squad is pretty silly, it’s obvious having a larger squad of quality players wasn’t an option and again not something he was shy of having at other stops where he wasn’t facing similar constraints
As for youth statistically we were giving minutes to youngsters at a higher rate than most of the Championship in the later days of his tenure, something which would probably have been even higher had Dozzell not been seriously injured when given a start on the opening day of his last season. Can’t really be bothered to get into the Ireland stuff, other than to point out that once again his work there looks somewhat miraculous compared to what came before and after | |
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