| Cardiff Fans view 10:53 - Jan 22 with 5984 views | unstableblue |
"OMG....hope we don't get him. Not a great recent record. He's not the way forward for our club surely!! We need a more modern and progressive manager. You can tell from his punditry that he's a no nonsense, up and at 'em type manager. Everything based on discipline, workrate, crunching tackles and the like. We need a bit more than that."
"I'd be devasted to see Mcarthy come in. Absolute fossil of a manager. Would show there is no long term plan or any sort of DESIRE TO CHANGE OUR STYLE OF PLAY. We are never going to move forward if keep appointing managers like him as when he leaves we'll be right back to square 1."
"I an see why the club would go for McCarthy he is the boring safe choice. Very experienced at this level where he has had quite a bit of success. But the safe choice isn't always the right choice,look at Sheffield Wednesday and Pulis. There must be a bit of suspicion that McCarthy is a bit past he sell by date,there was his dreadful spell in Cyprus and He was not rated very highly by Ipswich fans. Possibly they have a bit better regard for him now as the season after he left they were relegated and don't look like getting out of league one any time soon."
"Looks like our club, Dalman, Choo and Tan will f**k this up again. Mick McCarthy ffs. Go and get Bellamy and get the passion, drive and PLAY FOOTBALL THE FANS WANT. Not Pulis, Hughes or any of these failed managers. |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 08:27 - Jan 23 with 839 views | itfcjoe |
| Cardiff Fans view on 07:22 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
It’s easy to forget the bad things over the good. Reading that article I posted I’d forgotten we wracked up 7 defeats in 8 and failed to score in the first half of 17 out of 20 games.
The best article I read that summed up Mick read something like this, “Mick McCarthy is Mick McCarthy all the time, to the limit. His favourite colour is brown. His favourite holiday destination the garden. His favourite food is breadsticks. Would you like sparking water with that? Luke warm please”. Unique and unapologetically uninspiring - the Mick way.
Good luck to him at Cardiff but, in true Mick fashion he’s taken up the offer of a 6-month contract to try and win another by showing the world that it’s him against them and he deserves something more rewarding. The fact that he had it by default as Paul Cook turned it down won’t phase him, “water of a ducks back that”.
Mick’s words to us in 2012 -“The long-term ambition is to take the club back into the Premier League”. Ironic really given vitriolic statements since like “be careful what you wish for” and “that ended well for them”. We were no closer to the PL in 2018 than we were by the end of 2013. |
I don’t think we ever lost 7 of 8 under Mick, also not scoring in 17 of 20 first half games in the Chanpionship is heady heights compared to setting a club record in L1 of not leading at half time for 17 games |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 08:37 - Jan 23 with 822 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 08:27 - Jan 23 by itfcjoe |
I don’t think we ever lost 7 of 8 under Mick, also not scoring in 17 of 20 first half games in the Chanpionship is heady heights compared to setting a club record in L1 of not leading at half time for 17 games |
According to the Sky Sports article we did and I do vaguely recollect it in his final season. Whether Championship or League One, this club continues to set all the wrong records under every manager. I’m sure £10 is winging it’s way out of everyone’s account in the next few hours though as we tune in with hope that today is the day a corner is turned. Hope being the operative word. |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 08:37 - Jan 23 with 822 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff Fans view on 08:23 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
Laying it all out for what it is, Herbs. The same as you do every day on Lambert. Sharing opinion on news when it arises as is the point of forum and debate. |
Lambert is our current manager and an absolute horror show. Mick is a very competent manager that left the club 3 years ago. Not really the same thing fella, but you do you. |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 08:50 - Jan 23 with 807 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Cardiff Fans view on 08:37 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
According to the Sky Sports article we did and I do vaguely recollect it in his final season. Whether Championship or League One, this club continues to set all the wrong records under every manager. I’m sure £10 is winging it’s way out of everyone’s account in the next few hours though as we tune in with hope that today is the day a corner is turned. Hope being the operative word. |
We didn’t lose 7 in 8 at any point under McCarthy during his final season, that’s a made up stat. The closest we came would be losing 6 in 8 towards the end of the season, but that includes 2 games managed by Klug |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 08:54 - Jan 23 with 800 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff Fans view on 08:37 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
According to the Sky Sports article we did and I do vaguely recollect it in his final season. Whether Championship or League One, this club continues to set all the wrong records under every manager. I’m sure £10 is winging it’s way out of everyone’s account in the next few hours though as we tune in with hope that today is the day a corner is turned. Hope being the operative word. |
Anyone still paying to watch this dross is a mug. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 09:10 - Jan 23 with 771 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 08:37 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
Lambert is our current manager and an absolute horror show. Mick is a very competent manager that left the club 3 years ago. Not really the same thing fella, but you do you. |
It’s news, Herbs. It’s relevant football news. I still talk about the ‘78 Cup final or is that relevant either? | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 09:14 - Jan 23 with 764 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 08:54 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
Anyone still paying to watch this dross is a mug. |
So are you saying all you’re commenting post games about Lambert is based on second information from the BBC scores and fixtures app!? I do agree, paying to watch this at the moment borders fraudulent but it does provide a means for an objective viewpoint for which we should all tap into this once in a while to check on the general state of things. | |
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| I think that's the issue.... on 09:27 - Jan 23 with 742 views | PhilTWTD |
That was certainly a factor but I think fans were drifting away regardless of that. If he'd stayed season ticket sales for the next season would have been down very significantly regardless of price.
Overall, managers can't afford to be as dismissive of their club's support as Mick was and not expect the relationship to deteriorate. His attitude to the press was not dissimilar. |  | | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 09:28 - Jan 23 with 739 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff Fans view on 09:14 - Jan 23 by Keaneish |
So are you saying all you’re commenting post games about Lambert is based on second information from the BBC scores and fixtures app!? I do agree, paying to watch this at the moment borders fraudulent but it does provide a means for an objective viewpoint for which we should all tap into this once in a while to check on the general state of things. |
I watched plenty of the early games and the Swindon game more recently as I already have Sky. We're really crap and the club is, frankly, taking the piss out of fans so for now I'm not putting another penny into the club. | |
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| I think that's the issue.... on 09:49 - Jan 23 with 705 views | Herbivore |
| I think that's the issue.... on 09:27 - Jan 23 by PhilTWTD |
That was certainly a factor but I think fans were drifting away regardless of that. If he'd stayed season ticket sales for the next season would have been down very significantly regardless of price.
Overall, managers can't afford to be as dismissive of their club's support as Mick was and not expect the relationship to deteriorate. His attitude to the press was not dissimilar. |
At least he let you in. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 09:51 - Jan 23 with 703 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 09:28 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
I watched plenty of the early games and the Swindon game more recently as I already have Sky. We're really crap and the club is, frankly, taking the piss out of fans so for now I'm not putting another penny into the club. |
Fair shout. I wish there was more of a concerted effort to do that in the wake of Phil being banned. I dip in and out at the moment. Burton was the first one I’ve watched in a while. I’ll watch today if only to compare it to the annihilation of last season out of morbid curiosity. Interested to get a look at Harrop and Thomas too. | |
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| I think that's the issue.... on 09:53 - Jan 23 with 704 views | PhilTWTD |
| I think that's the issue.... on 09:49 - Jan 23 by Herbivore |
At least he let you in. |
As per my earlier post, that's not really the highest benchmark to set!
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| Cardiff Fans view on 10:01 - Jan 23 with 682 views | pointofblue |
| Cardiff Fans view on 08:50 - Jan 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We didn’t lose 7 in 8 at any point under McCarthy during his final season, that’s a made up stat. The closest we came would be losing 6 in 8 towards the end of the season, but that includes 2 games managed by Klug |
Looking back we went on a couple of horrific runs the season after the play offs - no wins in seven in September and October then only one win in nine between March and April. I think that’s when the fans started to be critical. We drew a lot of games that year but I still think the turning point was the 5-1 reverse at Reading, where we played well but got thrashed. Instead of sticking with an open philosophy it felt like Mick, understandably, closed up shop to a degree.
2016/2017 was very inconsistent; after our second draw in a row at home to Norwich we didn’t repeat a result (a win, draw or loss) until 18th February - drawing at home to Leeds after a 1-1 v Brighton on the 14th. We made up for it by drawing five of the next six after that, then winning three of four before losing our last three.
2017/2018 saw the screw really tightened when we started brilliantly then fell away, losing six out of the next eight. Heading into Mick’s last stand we had lost four of the previous six, drawing the other two. I guess the lack of development and dull football got to the fans even in the end, even those like myself who still respected Mick for what he did here.
I wouldn’t have him back though. The issue wasn’t saying goodbye to Mick, it was the decisions made afterwards. |  |
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| I think that's the issue.... on 10:01 - Jan 23 with 682 views | Herbivore |
| I think that's the issue.... on 09:53 - Jan 23 by PhilTWTD |
As per my earlier post, that's not really the highest benchmark to set!
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These are lean times, Phil. Lean times. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 10:12 - Jan 23 with 659 views | braveblue |
| Cardiff Fans view on 11:08 - Jan 22 by SomethingBlue |
You know how people voted for Brexit? It can be a bit like that with football too. People are often pretty clueless — as the below largely demonstrates. |
Oh dear. Another ‘ if you don’t agree with me you must be stupid’ quote. | | | |
| Cardiff Fans view on 10:45 - Jan 23 with 626 views | Keaneish |
| Cardiff Fans view on 10:01 - Jan 23 by pointofblue |
Looking back we went on a couple of horrific runs the season after the play offs - no wins in seven in September and October then only one win in nine between March and April. I think that’s when the fans started to be critical. We drew a lot of games that year but I still think the turning point was the 5-1 reverse at Reading, where we played well but got thrashed. Instead of sticking with an open philosophy it felt like Mick, understandably, closed up shop to a degree.
2016/2017 was very inconsistent; after our second draw in a row at home to Norwich we didn’t repeat a result (a win, draw or loss) until 18th February - drawing at home to Leeds after a 1-1 v Brighton on the 14th. We made up for it by drawing five of the next six after that, then winning three of four before losing our last three.
2017/2018 saw the screw really tightened when we started brilliantly then fell away, losing six out of the next eight. Heading into Mick’s last stand we had lost four of the previous six, drawing the other two. I guess the lack of development and dull football got to the fans even in the end, even those like myself who still respected Mick for what he did here.
I wouldn’t have him back though. The issue wasn’t saying goodbye to Mick, it was the decisions made afterwards. |
I’ll need to check that stat; lifted it from the Sky article. Maybe it was only 1 win in 8. Either way, I agree, the 5-1 defeat was a watershed moment. In truth, I think that was the beginning of the end. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 11:48 - Jan 23 with 609 views | BlueBadger |
| Cardiff Fans view on 10:12 - Jan 23 by braveblue |
Oh dear. Another ‘ if you don’t agree with me you must be stupid’ quote. |
Agreeing with Brexit and 'Mick out' is demonstrably stupid, in all fairness. |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 12:04 - Jan 23 with 588 views | braveblue |
| Cardiff Fans view on 11:48 - Jan 23 by BlueBadger |
Agreeing with Brexit and 'Mick out' is demonstrably stupid, in all fairness. |
Another one!!! EU vaccination programme going really well isn’t it? MM has been a raging success hasn’t he? Damn facts. | | | |
| Cardiff Fans view on 12:07 - Jan 23 with 581 views | BlueBadger |
| Cardiff Fans view on 12:04 - Jan 23 by braveblue |
Another one!!! EU vaccination programme going really well isn’t it? MM has been a raging success hasn’t he? Damn facts. |
Plus, we've seen all these new grounds and the football we're playing is better now... | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 12:16 - Jan 23 with 577 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff Fans view on 12:04 - Jan 23 by braveblue |
Another one!!! EU vaccination programme going really well isn’t it? MM has been a raging success hasn’t he? Damn facts. |
I think you've just proved his point there. | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 12:22 - Jan 23 with 558 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Cardiff Fans view on 11:06 - Jan 22 by Steve_M |
At some point you might be forced to accept that Mick McCarthy has been the best thing for ITFC in the entire time Evans has owned the club.
Although you might choose to argue that we've gone from strength to strength in the 33 months since he left. [Post edited 22 Jan 2021 11:16]
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One bad finish (2016-17) after the main goal scorer was sold and not replaced in 5 years says that Mick wasn't a bad manager for us.
The problem wasn't as much Mick as it was Marcus Evans trying to do the Championship on the cheap and going all in on the complete downgrade in the managerial department and playing squad once he saw that there were more savings to be made after Mick.
Supporters are conditioned to blame managers for failings but we have had Keane, Jewell, Mick and Lambert who have all had some success at other clubs but for some reason cannot make it work here.... I wonder who the real problem is..... |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 12:27 - Jan 23 with 546 views | catch74 |
Worth another read for any Cardiff fans.
Some great comments.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/396476/in-the-style-of-harrybath-i-have-been-on-the-wolves-forum/ |  |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 13:32 - Jan 23 with 507 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Cardiff Fans view on 10:01 - Jan 23 by pointofblue |
Looking back we went on a couple of horrific runs the season after the play offs - no wins in seven in September and October then only one win in nine between March and April. I think that’s when the fans started to be critical. We drew a lot of games that year but I still think the turning point was the 5-1 reverse at Reading, where we played well but got thrashed. Instead of sticking with an open philosophy it felt like Mick, understandably, closed up shop to a degree.
2016/2017 was very inconsistent; after our second draw in a row at home to Norwich we didn’t repeat a result (a win, draw or loss) until 18th February - drawing at home to Leeds after a 1-1 v Brighton on the 14th. We made up for it by drawing five of the next six after that, then winning three of four before losing our last three.
2017/2018 saw the screw really tightened when we started brilliantly then fell away, losing six out of the next eight. Heading into Mick’s last stand we had lost four of the previous six, drawing the other two. I guess the lack of development and dull football got to the fans even in the end, even those like myself who still respected Mick for what he did here.
I wouldn’t have him back though. The issue wasn’t saying goodbye to Mick, it was the decisions made afterwards. |
That Reading theory has been mentioned a few times but not sure I agree. We’d lost at home to Brighton the game before and whilst that did form part of a bad run, we firmly recovered through November and December. For me that season died with Fraser’s injury in the last minute at QPR which was the start of the second bad run, during which we really struggled for goals (10 in 14 as opposed to 43 in 32 across the rest of the season)
I would argue that the issues which have led to our demise were present during the McCarthy era and even before. It was pretty obvious that Mick was propping us up (wage bill in the bottom quarter of the division with wider cost cutting through the club) and that short of hitting a home run to replace him things were only going to head one way, sadly | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 13:41 - Jan 23 with 492 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Cardiff Fans view on 12:22 - Jan 23 by TieDyedIn95 |
One bad finish (2016-17) after the main goal scorer was sold and not replaced in 5 years says that Mick wasn't a bad manager for us.
The problem wasn't as much Mick as it was Marcus Evans trying to do the Championship on the cheap and going all in on the complete downgrade in the managerial department and playing squad once he saw that there were more savings to be made after Mick.
Supporters are conditioned to blame managers for failings but we have had Keane, Jewell, Mick and Lambert who have all had some success at other clubs but for some reason cannot make it work here.... I wonder who the real problem is..... |
Even that 2016/17 was arguably an over-performance though, given that we had the 7th smallest wage bill in the division
It was blindingly obvious at the time that the problems lay further up than the manager*, and that the style of play was a result of that. The idea that McCarthy is a boring manager doesn’t hold weight when you look at his career - the Sunderland and Wolves title winning teams were plenty exciting enough after all, scoring 76 and 80 goals respectively. However he was also pragmatic enough to adapt to what he was working with, which in the case of us and ROI was invariably a much weaker squad and therefore a style to suit | |
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| Cardiff Fans view on 13:43 - Jan 23 with 480 views | braveblue |
| Cardiff Fans view on 12:07 - Jan 23 by BlueBadger |
Plus, we've seen all these new grounds and the football we're playing is better now... |
Is it? | | | |
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