| Lance 23:44 - Jan 31 with 1302 views | Bent_double |
Just watching the Lance Armstrong doc on BBC2.....what an utter cunit that guy was/is.
Never really followed cycling, but always thought that there was something dodgy about all those TDF wins, but the way he used/abused people to get his way, unbelievable.
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| Lance on 23:53 - Jan 31 with 1267 views | bluelagos |
Amazing that he thought he would come out of the documentary with an improved public image. Your description was exactly what I thought when I first saw it. Well worth watching for anyone who hasn't seen it and wants an insight into exactly how he went about things and how he was happy to throw anyone under the bus who stood in his way. |  |
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| Lance on 07:39 - Feb 1 with 1089 views | thebooks |
Yeah, it was good, but annoyed me a bit.
Any documentary that looks into this again without focusing on Armstrong’s victims runs the risk of contextualising what he did and providing some sort of excuse... He’s just very driven (which he obviously is), everyone was doping (which they were/are), he’s admitted it all now (which he has)... but this misses just how bullying and threatning he was, and how much he actually cheated, used his chartitable foundation as a cover/reputation laundering operation.
Still, definitely worth watching, but there are a couple of really good docus about the cheating itself which are brilliant. |  | | |
| Lance on 08:12 - Feb 1 with 1028 views | Herbivore |
Pretty sure he's right on the borderline of being a full blown sociopath. |  |
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| Lance on 08:21 - Feb 1 with 1002 views | Bluefish |
I read his book before all of the doping stuff came out and at that time he was supposed to be a hero and a wonderful human being. He came across as a complete prick |  |
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| Lance on 08:26 - Feb 1 with 984 views | itfcjoe |
I thought it was really good, watched some months ago, but just shows him for what it is - incredibly driven, but at the expense of others well being
He almost killed himself by taking drugs which seemingly led to his cancer with a minimal survival chance, and had to live with that. Nearly everyone cheated in cycling back then, and that's not to excuse his actions, but there was always going to be someone that pushed it further, and there was a lot of people enabling and excusing that because of the success it brought them.
Fascianting watch, and a number of fascinating reads out there, for what is a hugely flawed person |  |
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| Lance on 08:46 - Feb 1 with 931 views | LeoMuff |
Great watch, hugely charismatic figure, but literally no moral compass and would stop at nothing to achieve his will.
In a Parallel universe he seems the sort of personality type who would pop up in one of those serial killer docs ! |  |
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| Lance on 09:09 - Feb 1 with 901 views | artsbossbeard |
Was a proper sporting hero of mine, loved his drive, passion and how he overcame an illness that would've killed most people.
When I start to scratched the surface and saw how many cycling writers and fellow cyclists ITK knew/guessed what he was up to, I actually felt cheated (if that makes sense).
I've taped this documentary and there's another one on Sky that worth watching. His treatment of fellow cyclists/team mates was horrendous - and also not sustainable if you're looking to cheat the cycling world..
I'd still love to meet him though... |  |
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| Lance on 10:15 - Feb 1 with 814 views | bluelagos |
Around 2007 I met an American semi-pro cyclist who had just given up cycling. He said the next step for him would have been to be a "grunt" on one of the TDF teams. He said he didn't want to because of the prevalence of drugs.
I probed a bit and he asserted that every rider on the tour was taking drugs. Without exception. And that to join the tour that was what he would have to do.
At the time, there were rumours of drug taking, but I still thought he was exaggerating maybe covering for his failure to step up. Really wish I could meet him again. I wouldn't say the guy's life was ruined but his chances of being an honest pro were stolen from him.
Echo all the words typed on this thread. Particularly that Armstrong comes across as a sociopath. | |
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| Lance on 10:34 - Feb 1 with 786 views | brazil1982 |
Is this a one off? I thought it ended incredibly abruptly. |  | | |
| Lance on 10:37 - Feb 1 with 771 views | bluelagos |
| Lance on 10:34 - Feb 1 by brazil1982 |
Is this a one off? I thought it ended incredibly abruptly. |
There were 2 episodes. Sure it's on catch up. | |
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| Lance on 10:41 - Feb 1 with 760 views | Bent_double |
If I wasn't aware of him and his reputation, I would honestly have thought that was one of those 'docudramas' - made up for TV - knowing that it is what actually happened beggars belief.
He's not a borderline sociopath, he's a full-blown one, saying he hasn't forgiven one of his former teammates for initially blowing the whistle on the doping scandal. Even the part in the doc where he was at home with his partner, preparing a meal - he was using a kitchen utensil (very badly) to shave some hard cheese into a salad, and proceeded to slice the end of his finger off. Seemed a bit staged to me. | |
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| Lance on 10:47 - Feb 1 with 749 views | chicoazul |
| Lance on 08:12 - Feb 1 by Herbivore |
Pretty sure he's right on the borderline of being a full blown sociopath. |
Every person who reaches the absolute top of their field, whatever it is, is a psychopath who has trampled over people to get to where they are. |  |
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| Lance on 10:49 - Feb 1 with 739 views | bluelagos |
| Lance on 10:47 - Feb 1 by chicoazul |
Every person who reaches the absolute top of their field, whatever it is, is a psychopath who has trampled over people to get to where they are. |
Do you really think that?
I think that is true of many areas, business, politics. | |
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| Lance on 10:51 - Feb 1 with 735 views | chicoazul |
| Lance on 10:49 - Feb 1 by bluelagos |
Do you really think that?
I think that is true of many areas, business, politics. |
It’s true of all fields. To get to the very top of any field - sport business politics industry the public sector - you have to possess faculties which the vast majority of people would find utterly abhorrent. | |
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