| Jackson's Red Card ... 12:36 - Feb 2 with 4140 views | El_Fenix |
Having watched replays in slow-motion several times, having read Lambert's harsh condemnation and Jackson's abject apology, and having noted the consensus of opinion on this board, I remain puzzled. Why did Kayden Jackson receive a red (or even a yellow ...) card for his role in the collision that occurred? What have I missed about the situation?
I saw Jackson gain possession of the ball and begin to accelerate down the field. The pitch was wet; and because Jackson is fast and his path was curving, he was experiencing a destabilizing centrifugal force. As the tackle came in from the side, Jackson was balanced on one leg that was not firmly planted, was looking ahead and was trying to control the ball. The impact of the tackle caused him to lose his balance and his legs became tangled with those of the tackler. In my opinion, the hazard to players' safety was caused by the tackler who could have received a yellow card for dangerous play. However, the tackler was also playing at high speed, going for the ball, and not displaying malicious intent. As anyone who has played football knows, football is played at high speed and in real time, not in slow motion by people sitting on their sofas!
I think that the referee panicked. I have some sympathy for him, because a no-call would have caused a huge upset. But what did Jackson do wrong? |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:38 - Feb 2 with 2385 views | TractorWood |
High, late, uncontrolled, dangerous, excessive force.
Red card. Move on. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:40 - Feb 2 with 2362 views | Herbivore |
That's an interesting take. I think two other people had a similar take. I don't think Jackson had any intention of hurting the player but he was careless in how he went in to secure the ball and as such, given he ran his studs down the player's shin, it's a reckless challenge. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:41 - Feb 2 with 2343 views | davblue |
Im not sure if this is a wind up or not.
But that was a red card any day, anywhere. |  | | |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:42 - Feb 2 with 2335 views | hype313 |
Stonewall red card.
it's the only thing I have agreed with Lambert on in his time here. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:46 - Feb 2 with 2291 views | foshizzle |
Me and a few friends had a similar reaction initially. I think on reflection it was pretty bad, ultimately intent doesn't really matter, it's how recklessly Jackson went in to the challenge. A potentially leg breaking tackle. Has to be red I think, but I agree that at first I thought the sky team were pretty OTT in their indictment of KJ. |  | | |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:50 - Feb 2 with 2238 views | Radlett_blue |
Whether you like it or not, any out of control, dangerous tackle usually results in a free kick and a probable yellow card even if the player first makes contact with the ball. English refs are now under instruction to penalise these sort of tackles & drive them out of the game. This is making English football more like European football, where you rarely see such tackles. Irrespective of your opinion on that, Jackson was high, late & out of control & didn't get the ball. A clear red. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:58 - Feb 2 with 2173 views | Fixed_It |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:38 - Feb 2 by TractorWood |
High, late, uncontrolled, dangerous, excessive force.
Red card. Move on. |
I agree - although I don't think there was excessive force from Jackson. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:04 - Feb 2 with 2125 views | mo_itfc |
It's not too different from the Hyam tackle on Judge a few years ago. Which was definitely a red.
Just because no-one got hurt it doesn't change the fact that it's careless and dangerous. Those tackles end careers and shouldn't be allowed. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:05 - Feb 2 with 2133 views | BrianTablet |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:40 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
That's an interesting take. I think two other people had a similar take. I don't think Jackson had any intention of hurting the player but he was careless in how he went in to secure the ball and as such, given he ran his studs down the player's shin, it's a reckless challenge. |
I'm one of those. Still can't see it as a certain red as some do.
It's like a defender preparing to kick the ball away and has it nicked off him by a striker, then his follow through catches the striker. His foot may well be in a dangerous place, but it's hardly his fault. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:06 - Feb 2 with 2131 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:50 - Feb 2 by Radlett_blue |
Whether you like it or not, any out of control, dangerous tackle usually results in a free kick and a probable yellow card even if the player first makes contact with the ball. English refs are now under instruction to penalise these sort of tackles & drive them out of the game. This is making English football more like European football, where you rarely see such tackles. Irrespective of your opinion on that, Jackson was high, late & out of control & didn't get the ball. A clear red. |
Jackson was in possession of the ball! He did not go into a tackle or make a challenge; he was tackled by an opponent, whose presence he may not have been fully aware of prior to the collision. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:06 - Feb 2 with 2118 views | BrianTablet |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:06 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
Jackson was in possession of the ball! He did not go into a tackle or make a challenge; he was tackled by an opponent, whose presence he may not have been fully aware of prior to the collision. |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:08 - Feb 2 with 2099 views | Paramedic |
I initially thought the same as you. Jackson was on a curving run, it was a hefty challenge from the side by the defender, in that split second where can Jackson put his foot? Watching over again though I can see why it’s a red card. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:09 - Feb 2 with 2093 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:38 - Feb 2 by TractorWood |
High, late, uncontrolled, dangerous, excessive force.
Red card. Move on. |
An unhelpful blanket statement. Which part(s) of my assessment do you disagree with? | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:14 - Feb 2 with 2058 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:08 - Feb 2 by Paramedic |
I initially thought the same as you. Jackson was on a curving run, it was a hefty challenge from the side by the defender, in that split second where can Jackson put his foot? Watching over again though I can see why it’s a red card. |
OK, please explain why you changed your mind. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:17 - Feb 2 with 2045 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:04 - Feb 2 by mo_itfc |
It's not too different from the Hyam tackle on Judge a few years ago. Which was definitely a red.
Just because no-one got hurt it doesn't change the fact that it's careless and dangerous. Those tackles end careers and shouldn't be allowed. |
No comparison at all. Judge was in possession of the ball and Hyam made an ugly tackle, seemingly with deliberate intent. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:18 - Feb 2 with 2033 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:41 - Feb 2 by davblue |
Im not sure if this is a wind up or not.
But that was a red card any day, anywhere. |
Not a wind up. Which specific part(s) of my assessment do you disagree with? | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:20 - Feb 2 with 2019 views | Paramedic |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:14 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
OK, please explain why you changed your mind. |
Because on the replay Jackson’s foot is raised and he runs his studs down the defenders leg. I don’t think there is any malice, I actually believe Jackson couldn’t pull out at that point, but in a referees eyes that’s a red card. I think we would have wanted the same had the roles been reversed. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:24 - Feb 2 with 1978 views | mo_itfc |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:18 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
Not a wind up. Which specific part(s) of my assessment do you disagree with? |
Are you Kayden Jackson? | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:26 - Feb 2 with 1976 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:20 - Feb 2 by Paramedic |
Because on the replay Jackson’s foot is raised and he runs his studs down the defenders leg. I don’t think there is any malice, I actually believe Jackson couldn’t pull out at that point, but in a referees eyes that’s a red card. I think we would have wanted the same had the roles been reversed. |
Jackson was in free fall due to the impact of the opponent's challenge. He had no ability to react and control the location his limbs were during the split-second of his free fall. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:30 - Feb 2 with 1948 views | Paramedic |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:26 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
Jackson was in free fall due to the impact of the opponent's challenge. He had no ability to react and control the location his limbs were during the split-second of his free fall. |
I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately the referee sees it in a different light he doesn’t have VAR or a chance to watch it over. His decision is final. No point worrying about it now it’s gone. And I actually don’t think his dismissal had any impact on the outcome of the game. We would have lost with 11 anyway I believe. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:34 - Feb 2 with 1922 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I thought it was badly timed and a yellow card. I think super slow mo can makes a late challenge look like an intentionally dangerous challenge.
Many seem to disagree, and that's OK. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:35 - Feb 2 with 1916 views | Herbivore |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:26 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
Jackson was in free fall due to the impact of the opponent's challenge. He had no ability to react and control the location his limbs were during the split-second of his free fall. |
In free fall? | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:36 - Feb 2 with 1914 views | TractorWood |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:09 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
An unhelpful blanket statement. Which part(s) of my assessment do you disagree with? |
The referee panicking.
The waffle about centrifugal force. He was just high and late into a challenge.
It's a red card. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:36 - Feb 2 with 1914 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:24 - Feb 2 by mo_itfc |
Are you Kayden Jackson? |
If you can't answer the question, change the topic! Are you a politician?
In answer to your question: No, I'm not Kayden Jackson. I have not played football for several decades and when I did, I lacked pace. I am however very sympathetic towards Kayden Jackson and to several other ITFC players, including Janoi Donacien, who have been misused and mistreated by Paul Lambert. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:43 - Feb 2 with 1886 views | Radlett_blue |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 13:30 - Feb 2 by Paramedic |
I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately the referee sees it in a different light he doesn’t have VAR or a chance to watch it over. His decision is final. No point worrying about it now it’s gone. And I actually don’t think his dismissal had any impact on the outcome of the game. We would have lost with 11 anyway I believe. |
There was equally a furore over Nsiala's red card against Wednesday a couple of years ago. Toto won the loose ball, but his follow through crashed into the Wednesday players & I guess the referee deemed it "reckless", endangering an opponent" or "excessive force". The laws are different these days & players should avoid reckless lunges as you're taking a big chance (and could break someone's leg, as Luke Hyam did). | |
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